‘Go home!’ Mayor tweets after white nationalist tiki torch ‘flash mob’

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-10-2017, 09:18 AM)GMDino Wrote: Normally when you try to spin one of my posts it's better than this.

Must be too early?

The POTUS called peaceful protesters SOBS and called for their employer to fire them versus....silence about marching Nazis.

Please, try harder.  You can do better!  I expect it from you! 

I'm not spinning anything, I'm pointing out a contradiction.  You can't complain about the POTUS tweeting about protestors and then complain that he didn't complain about protestors.  Well, you can, as this thread illustrates, just don't expect to not be called out for your logical inconsistency.  It's not about the content of the protests, it's about the concept of the POTUS responding to them.  If your response is that Trump is being a hypocrite, well duh?  I don't expect logical consistency from him, nor do I think responding to hypocrisy with more hypocrisy is a valid approach.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-10-2017, 11:40 AM)GMDino Wrote: Well the media is a bunch of liberals.  I'm talking about redblooded conservatives that know what is best for the country.  

If you show them on TV every week, and discuss it in the news every day, then they aren't being ignored.  

[GMDino]

(10-10-2017, 11:58 AM)michaelsean Wrote: If you show them on TV every week, and discuss it in the news every day, then they aren't being ignored.  

I didn't say they WERE being ignored. 

I said the right thinks we shouldn't ignore them.  They should be talked about constantly for their spitting on veterans and the flag.

We should ignore the Nazis because they'll probably just go away quietly.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-10-2017, 11:58 AM)michaelsean Wrote: If you show them on TV every week, and discuss it in the news every day, then they aren't being ignored.  

Logic confuses him, you're begging for a gif response.  GM is unwittingly making a great point though, that being that the more attention these kinds of things get the bigger they become and the more they can morph into something originally unintended.  Despite the teeth gnashing and hair pulling from some on the left, white supremacists do not exist in large numbers nor do they have any real support in the general community.  Yes, there are, and always be racist white people, just like there are racist blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.  They don't speak for, or are representative of, their ethnicity as anything other than bigoted individuals and most of us ignore them for that exact reason. 

[*bfine32*]

(10-10-2017, 12:08 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Logic confuses him, you're begging for a gif response.  GM is unwittingly making a great point though, that being that the more attention these kinds of things get the bigger they become and the more they can morph into something originally unintended.  Despite the teeth gnashing and hair pulling from some on the left, white supremacists do not exist in large numbers nor do they have any real support in the general community.  Yes, there are, and always be racist white people, just like there are racist blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.  They don't speak for, or are representative of, their ethnicity as anything other than bigoted individuals and most of us ignore them for that exact reason. 

This was the impetus of my original comment. Nobody gave these folks the spotlight they crave and their "protest" went largely unreported. It is in Matt's local news right beside the Piggly Wiggly sale ad.


Yet, there are those that are motivated to not let them die the slow death that they will; they must make it news; thereby, increasing their resolve.

I suppose some would be happy if the President tweeted that these SOBs should not protest the removal of these statues. That would probably stop it. Look how it has worked on stopping the kneeling and removing it from the news cycle.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-10-2017, 01:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This was the impetus of my original comment. Nobody gave these folks the spotlight they crave and their "protest" went largely unreported. It is in Matt's local news right beside the Piggly Wiggly sale ad.


Yet, there are those that are motivated to not let them die the slow death that they will; they must make it news; thereby, increasing their resolve.

I suppose some would be happy if the President tweeted that these SOBs should not protest the removal of these statues. That would probably stop it. Look how it has worked on stopping the kneeling and removing it from the news cycle.

There are several reasons for this.  First, racial "tension" provokes extreme responses/emotions from everyone.  You're either the ethnicity being oppressed in the story, which naturally provokes a visceral response, or your the ethnicity identified as the oppressor, which provokes a visceral response.  Humans are, by nature, tribal animals and we will rally around the figurative "tribe" when we feel attacked.  I'm not talking about physically, I'm talking about psychologically, even subconsciously.  The news media is in turmoil as they inexorably lose their century plus long grip on the dissemination of news and opinion.  They are resorting to ever desperate, and loud measure, to remain relevant.

Secondly, there are people like Al Sharpton and Sean Hannity who make their very living by stoking these fires.  Without racial polemics both of them would be on the scrap heap.  As much as he is appreciated I have to throw Ta Neshi Coates into this category.  I've read his stuff and it reeks of a person who had a conclusion and then went looking for evidence of it.  Trump, of course, also benefits from this for obvious reasons.

[GMDino]

(10-10-2017, 01:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This was the impetus of my original comment. Nobody gave these folks the spotlight they crave and their "protest" went largely unreported. It is in Matt's local news right beside the Piggly Wiggly sale ad.


Yet, there are those that are motivated to not let them die the slow death that they will; they must make it news; thereby, increasing their resolve.

I suppose some would be happy if the President tweeted that these SOBs should not protest the removal of these statues. That would probably stop it. Look how it has worked on stopping the kneeling and removing it from the news cycle.

If you think Spencer's group was there because of the statues you might want to question your thinking.

However, yes, it would be nice for the POTUS who attacks everyone and anything for even the slightest perceived disagreement would say something about Nazis marching in America.

But hey...those guys kneeling.  Amiright?

[Belsnickel]

(10-10-2017, 01:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This was the impetus of my original comment. Nobody gave these folks the spotlight they crave and their "protest" went largely unreported. It is in Matt's local news right beside the Piggly Wiggly sale ad.

No Piggly Wiggly around here...












It was next to the Wegman's ad.

[GMDino]

(10-10-2017, 02:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: No Piggly Wiggly around here...





It was next to the Wegman's ad.

Same difference.  Who cares about local news when there are NFL players kneeling before a game?  

Tell Sheriff Andy to handle it.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-10-2017, 11:38 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Except they showed them on national tv every week.  

(10-10-2017, 02:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: Same difference.  Who cares about local news when there are NFL players kneeling before a game?  

Tell Sheriff Andy to handle it.

Just so I’m clear. Do you think there should be attention paid to the nazis, NFL players, neither or both?

[GMDino]

(10-10-2017, 03:37 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Just so I’m clear. Do you think there should be attention paid to the nazis, NFL players, neither or both?

I believe we should denounce the Nazis every time they show their crying little faces.  Put their lilly white arses on television spewing their hate and show them for who they are:  cowards.

I believe the attention given to the NFL players is fine too...if we are talking about why they are protesting versus manufacturing something to rile up people.  

[Benton]

(10-10-2017, 01:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This was the impetus of my original comment. Nobody gave these folks the spotlight they crave and their "protest" went largely unreported. It is in Matt's local news right beside the Piggly Wiggly sale ad.


Yet, there are those that are motivated to not let them die the slow death that they will; they must make it news; thereby, increasing their resolve.

I suppose some would be happy if the President tweeted that these SOBs should not protest the removal of these statues. That would probably stop it. Look how it has worked on stopping the kneeling and removing it from the news cycle.

(10-10-2017, 02:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: No Piggly Wiggly around here...












It was next to the Wegman's ad.

I worked at a Piggly Wiggly back in college. 

One night we were closing up and a lady started beating on the doors. Already too long story shorter, her son lived in New York and she was wanting to send him home with something Piggly Wiggly on it because nobody up there would believe him. I gave him a carryout apron or vest and a bunch of bags.

Now... carry on with everyone trying to make their predisposition look like it's not predetermined. 

[JustWinBaby]

I'm just wondering what the reaction would be if cops followed a busload of BLM protestors to make sure they left the city....

[Belsnickel]

(10-10-2017, 04:14 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: I'm just wondering what the reaction would be if cops followed a busload of BLM protestors to make sure they left the city....

If the group had recently been violent on another date in the city and the police did not otherwise harass them unnecessarily, zero problems with it. Escorting someone past the "county line" so to speak, I'm more than okay with if they have been proven to be problems. They weren't told to leave, they weren't even asked (by the police, elected officials mouthing off, different story). Just keeping an eye on them so roving bands of them don't start assaulting locals again, good on the police.

[Matt_Crimson]

You know, its really strange to me how much everyone suddenly cares about white supremacists when this stuff has been going on for years.

Trump becomes president and now suddenly everyone cares about white racist guys with fire. It'll be interesting to see how much everyone suddenly doesn't care about stuff like this when Trump isnt president. 

[Belsnickel]

(10-10-2017, 04:38 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: You know, its really strange to me how much everyone suddenly cares about white supremacists when this stuff has been going on for years.

Trump becomes president and now suddenly everyone cares about white racist guys with fire. It'll be interesting to see how much everyone suddenly doesn't care about stuff like this when Trump isnt president. 

People have counter-protested against white supremacists for years. It has even been violent before. What we have, though, is a confluence of events that makes this different. Largest gathering in decades, murder involved, and a reluctant POTUS when it came to denouncing the hate. You probably aren't going to see it get this insane for a while, or maybe again, but this didn't get attention just because Trump is POTUS. Trump didn't help the situation, but he isn't the cause of it.

[Benton]

(10-10-2017, 04:38 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: You know, its really strange to me how much everyone suddenly cares about white supremacists when this stuff has been going on for years.

Trump becomes president and now suddenly everyone cares about white racist guys with fire. It'll be interesting to see how much everyone suddenly doesn't care about stuff like this when Trump isnt president. 

People need to blame something.

White supremacists aren't anything new, but they haven't had a national leader (wanted and warranted or unwanted and unwarranted, Trump's actions and associations have gotten him the nationalist leader spin).

Same as the issues under Obama. He didn't do much of anything for any interest group, but he didn't discourage groups like BLM, either. So, needing somebody to blame, he became the BLM president.

[GMDino]

(10-10-2017, 04:38 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: You know, its really strange to me how much everyone suddenly cares about white supremacists when this stuff has been going on for years.

Trump becomes president and now suddenly everyone cares about white racist guys with fire. It'll be interesting to see how much everyone suddenly doesn't care about stuff like this when Trump isnt president. 

Yeah almost like no one ever protested against racism before 2016.  

[Matt_Crimson]

(10-10-2017, 04:41 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: People have counter-protested against white supremacists for years. It has even been violent before. What we have, though, is a confluence of events that makes this different. Largest gathering in decades, murder involved, and a reluctant POTUS when it came to denouncing the hate. You probably aren't going to see it get this insane for a while, or maybe again, but this didn't get attention just because Trump is POTUS. Trump didn't help the situation, but he isn't the cause of it.

Yes people have protested before, but I'm talking about how such things have never seemed to be this news worthy in the past and certainly not as prevelant in the social media world.

But now suddenly it seems like ever since Trump became president (and even on the campaign trail) the issue of white supremacists seemed to gain widespread attenton as if it were something that just came into existence. Now you suddenly have a bunch of keyboard warriors coming out of the woodwork to stop racism like they never knew it was ever a reality.

(10-10-2017, 05:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah almost like no one ever protested against racism before 2016.  

Not sure how you got that from my post?

[Matt_Crimson]

(10-10-2017, 04:58 PM)Benton Wrote: People need to blame something.

White supremacists aren't anything new, but they haven't had a national leader (wanted and warranted or unwanted and unwarranted, Trump's actions and associations have gotten him the nationalist leader spin).

Same as the issues under Obama. He didn't do much of anything for any interest group, but he didn't discourage groups like BLM, either. So, needing somebody to blame, he became the BLM president.

That makes sense, but this is also an issue in itself as it leads to further division when people want to blame someone (Trump) for something and then say or make those who support that someone out to be racists because of their defense of that person.

It also acts as an alienating factor among minorities and furthers the idea that white people only seem to care about racism when it's convinient for them.