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‘We Need to Take Away Children,’ No Matter How Young
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html


Quote:WASHINGTON — The five U.S. attorneys along the border with Mexico, including three appointed by President Trump, recoiled in May 2018 against an order to prosecute all undocumented immigrants even if it meant separating children from their parents. They told top Justice Department officials they were “deeply concerned” about the children’s welfare.

But the attorney general at the time, Jeff Sessions, made it clear what Mr. Trump wanted on a conference call later that afternoon, according to a two-year inquiry by the Justice Department’s inspector general into Mr. Trump’s “zero tolerance” family separation policy.


“We need to take away children,” Mr. Sessions told the prosecutors, according to participants’ notes. One added in shorthand: “If care about kids, don’t bring them in. Won’t give amnesty to people with kids.”
Rod J. Rosenstein, then the deputy attorney general, went even further in a second call about a week later, telling the five prosecutors that it did not matter how young the children were. He said that government lawyers should not have refused to prosecute two cases simply because the children were barely more than infants.




“Those two cases should not have been declined,” John Bash, the departing U.S. attorney in western Texas, wrote to his staff immediately after the call. Mr. Bash had declined the cases, but Mr. Rosenstein had overruled him. “Per the A.G.’s policy, we should NOT be categorically declining immigration prosecutions of adults in family units because of the age of a child.”

The Justice Department’s top officials were “a driving force” behind the policy that spurred the separation of thousands of families, many of them fleeing violence in Central America and seeking asylum in the United States, before Mr. Trump abandoned it amid global outrage, according to a draft report of the results of the investigation by Michael E. Horowitz, the department’s inspector general.



The separation of migrant children from their parents, sometimes for months, was at the heart of the Trump administration’s assault on immigration. But the fierce backlash when the administration struggled to reunite the children turned it into one of the biggest policy debacles of the president’s term.


Though Mr. Sessions sought to distance himself from the policy, allowing Mr. Trump and Homeland Security Department officials to largely be blamed, he and other top law enforcement officials understood that “zero tolerance” meant that migrant families would be separated and wanted that to happen because they believed it would deter future illegal immigration, Mr. Horowitz wrote.




“The department’s single-minded focus on increasing prosecutions came at the expense of careful and effective implementation of the policy, especially with regard to prosecution of family-unit adults and the resulting child separations,” the draft report said.



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Migrant families were dropped off by immigration officials at a bus station in McAllen, Texas, in 2018.Credit...Ilana Panich-Linsman for The New York Times

The draft report, citing more than 45 interviews with key officials, emails and other documents, provides the most complete look at the discussions inside the Justice Department as the family separation policy was developed, pushed and ultimately carried out with little concern for children.

This article is based on a review of the 86-page draft report and interviews with three government officials who read it in recent months and described its conclusions and many of the details in it. The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to discuss it publicly, cautioned that the final report could change.


Before publishing the findings of its investigations, the inspector general’s office typically provides draft copies to Justice Department leaders and others mentioned in the reports to ensure that they are accurate.


Mr. Horowitz had been preparing to release his report since late summer, according to a person familiar with the investigation, though the process allowing for responses from current and former department officials whose conduct is under scrutiny is likely to delay its release until after the presidential election.


Mr. Sessions refused to be interviewed, the report noted. Mr. Rosenstein, who is now a lawyer in private practice, defended himself in his interview with investigators in response to questioning about his role, according to two of the officials. Mr. Rosenstein’s former office submitted a 64-page response to the report.


“If any United States attorney ever charged a defendant they did not personally believe warranted prosecution, they violated their oath of office,” Mr. Rosenstein said in a statement. “I never ordered anyone to prosecute a case.”






Gene Hamilton, a top lawyer and ally of Stephen Miller, the architect of the president’s assault on immigration, argued in a 32-page response that Justice Department officials merely took direction from the president. Mr. Hamilton cited an April 3, 2018, meeting with Mr. Sessions; the homeland security secretary at the time, Kirstjen Nielsen; and others in which the president “ranted” and was on “a tirade,” demanding as many prosecutions as possible.

Mr. Hamilton declined to comment for this article, as did Mr. Horowitz’s office. Mr. Sessions did not respond to requests for comment. Alexa Vance, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department, disputed the draft report and said the Homeland Security Department referred cases for prosecution.


“The draft report relied on for this article contains numerous factual errors and inaccuracies,” she said. “While D.O.J. is responsible for the prosecutions of defendants, it had no role in tracking or providing custodial care to the children of defendants. Finally, both the timing and misleading content of this leak raise troubling questions about the motivations of those responsible for it.”


The draft report also documented other revelations that had not previously been known:


  • Government prosecutors reacted with alarm at the separation of children from their parents during a secret 2017 pilot program along the Mexican border in Texas. “We have now heard of us taking breastfeeding defendant moms away from their infants,” one government prosecutor wrote to his superiors. “I did not believe this until I looked at the duty log.”
  • Border Patrol officers missed serious felony cases because they were stretched too thin by the zero-tolerance policy requiring them to detain and prosecute all of the misdemeanor illegal entry cases. One Texas prosecutor warned top Justice Department officials in 2018 that “sex offenders were released” as a result.
  • Senior Justice Department officials viewed the welfare of the children as the responsibility of other agencies and their duty as tracking the parents. “I just don’t see that as a D.O.J. equity,” Mr. Rosenstein told the inspector general.
  • The failure to inform the U.S. Marshals Service before announcing the zero-tolerance policy led to serious overcrowding and budget overruns. The marshals were forced to cut back on serving warrants in other cases, saying that “when you take away manpower, you can’t make a safe arrest.”

For two years, Ms. Nielsen has taken the brunt of the public criticism for separating migrant families because of her decision to refer adults crossing the border illegally with children for prosecution. A day after the president’s retreat, Mr. Sessions distanced his department from the decision, telling CBN News that “we never really intended” to separate children.


That was false, according to the draft report. It made clear that from the policy’s earliest days in a five-month test along the border in Texas, Justice Department officials understood — and encouraged — the separation of children as an expected part of the desire to prosecute all undocumented border crossers.


“It is the hope that this separation will act as a deterrent to parents bringing their children into the harsh circumstances that are present when trying to enter the United States illegally,” a Border Patrol official wrote on Oct. 28, 2017, to the U.S. attorney in New Mexico, according to the draft report.



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After the pilot program in Texas ended, the report asserted, Mr. Sessions, Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Rosenstein pushed aggressively to expand the practice across the entire southwestern border, with help from prosecutors.
In a briefing two days after Christmas in 2017, top Justice Department officials asked Mr. Bash for statistics from the pilot program, conducted by his predecessor, that could be used to develop “nationwide prosecution guidelines.” Mr. Bash, a former White House adviser, did not receive a follow-up request for the information. Thinking that the idea had been abandoned, he did not provide it.


By April 2018, Mr. Sessions nevertheless moved to enact the zero-tolerance policy across the entire border with Mexico. Mr. Rosenstein told the inspector general that Mr. Sessions “understood what the consequences were.”
“The A.G.’s goal,” he said, “was to create a more effective deterrent so that everybody would believe that they had a risk of being prosecuted.”


But the Justice Department still needed to persuade Ms. Nielsen to refer all families for prosecution, which she had been resisting. The draft report says a pressure campaign culminated in a May 3 meeting in which Mr. Sessions insisted that Customs and Border Protection begin referring all of those cases to prosecutors.


A note from Mr. Hamilton to Mr. Sessions before the meeting indicated: “You should lead this discussion.”
“We must vigorously enforce our criminal immigration laws to ensure that there are consequences for illegal actions and to deter future illegal immigration,” Mr. Sessions planned to say, according to the draft report. “That means that an illegal alien should not get a free pass just because he or she crosses the border illegally with a child.”






When the group voted by a show of hands to proceed, Ms. Nielsen was the only one who kept her hand down, according to two people familiar with the vote, which was reported earlier by NBC News. The next day, Ms. Nielsen backed down, signing a memo referring all adults for prosecution and clearing the way for the children to be separated.



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The decision roiled the prosecutors along the border. In Arizona, Elizabeth Strange, the acting U.S. attorney, led a minor rebellion, temporarily declining six cases, citing concern about the children. That prompted a rebuke from top Justice Department officials, who demanded to know “why would they be declining these cases?”

Justice Department officials have repeatedly claimed that they thought the adults would be prosecuted and reunited with their children within hours of being separated. But the inspector general found a memo informing top officials that sentences for adults ranged from three to 14 days, making it all but certain that children would be sent to the custody of officials at the Health and Human Services Department for long periods of time.
“We found no evidence, before or after receipt of the memorandum, that D.O.J. leaders sought to expedite the process for completing sentencing in order to facilitate reunification of separated families,” the inspector general wrote.


Over all, Mr. Horowitz concluded in the draft, Mr. Sessions and other senior department officials “were aware that full implementation of the zero-tolerance policy would result in criminal referrals by D.H.S. of adults who enter the country illegally with children and that the prosecution of these family-unit adults would result in children being separated from families.”



Michael D. Shear is a White House correspondent. He previously worked at The Washington Post and was a member of their Pulitzer Prize-winning team that covered the Virginia Tech shootings in 2007. @shearm


Katie Benner covers the Justice Department. She was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for public service for reporting on workplace sexual harassment issues. @ktbenner

Michael S. Schmidt is a Washington correspondent covering national security and federal investigations. He was part of two teams that won Pulitzer Prizes in 2018 — one for reporting on workplace sexual harassment and the other for coverage of President Trump and his campaign’s ties to Russia. @NYTMike

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Why is it okay to separate American citizens from their children when they commit a crime but it's NOT okay to separate illegal immigrants from their children when THEY commit a crime?
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Don't want to be separated from your kids?  Don't take your kids with you when you illegally break into a foreign country.  Really very simple.
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(10-12-2020, 04:58 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Why is it okay to separate American citizens from their children when they commit a crime but it's NOT okay to separate illegal immigrants from their children when THEY commit a crime?

It's always the "little detail" the Libs leave out. 
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I support a zero tolerance policy. Anyone who jay walks needs to have their kid sent 3 states over to live in a concrete cage with little record keeping in case you want to ever reunite with them.
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https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/ice-and-border-patrol-abuses/ice-illegally-imprisoning-asylum-seekers
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(10-13-2020, 01:48 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I support a zero tolerance policy. Anyone who jay walks needs to have their kid sent 3 states over to live in a concrete cage with little record keeping in case you want to ever reunite with them.

Are you seriously comparing Jay walking to a non citizen illegally breaking into a foreign country?
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(10-13-2020, 08:38 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Are you seriously comparing Jay walking to a non citizen illegally breaking into a foreign country?

The first offense of unlawful entry into the United States is a misdemeanor, jaywalking is a misdemeanor. I believe we have such classifications in our legal system so we can easily equate offenses to each other.
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(10-13-2020, 08:38 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Are you seriously comparing Jay walking to a non citizen illegally breaking into a foreign country?

Prior to the zero tolerance policy, children were only removed from their parents if the parents were being charged with serious crimes like drug smuggling, human trafficking, or violent crimes.

So, I am only comparing jay walking to crossing the border if you are comparing crossing the border to any of those offenses.

"A crime is a crime" is the attitude your side is taking. At least my example is the same severity in the legal system.
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(10-13-2020, 08:38 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Are you seriously comparing Jay walking to a non citizen illegally breaking into a foreign country?

You're new here aren't you.

Many folks around her use the term "false equivalence" in such instances, but usually only when they disagree with the point.

But to answer the silly equivalence. "Did I have my infant in my arms when I disregarded the laws and crossed into traffic?"
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(10-13-2020, 10:13 AM)Au165 Wrote: The first offense of unlawful entry into the United States is a misdemeanor, jaywalking is a misdemeanor. I believe we have such classifications in our legal system so we can easily equate offenses to each other.

Many misdemeanors have jail time as a punishment. So, if you're convicted of a misdemeanor and sentenced to jail, does this mean you think you shouldn't have to go to jail if you have kdis?
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(10-13-2020, 11:20 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Many misdemeanors have jail time as a punishment. So, if you're convicted of a misdemeanor and sentenced to jail, does this mean you think you shouldn't have to go to jail if you have kdis?

Should you go to jail and be separated from your kids for 180 days in Ohio for stealing a candy bar?  It qualifies for petty theft, a misdemeanor, which by your logic they should have the book thrown at them.

...or the judge could fine them as allowed by the law simiarly as the law for illegal entry into the U.S. allows for a fine without incarciration on a first offense.
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(10-13-2020, 11:20 AM)PhilHos Wrote: So, if you're convicted of a misdemeanor and sentenced to jail, does this mean you think you shouldn't have to go to jail if you have kdis?

For something like illegally crossing a border, I feel you should not. All legal equivalencies aside, it is just unnecessary cruelty. Sure people could avoid it by not crossing the border, but you could justify any measure with that argument.

My country is pretty tough on illegal immigration. But even our toughest parties never contemplated proceedings like they happen in the US, with kids taken away for lengthy periods of times, while obviously ever so often the state then loses track of parents or children. It can severely traumatize kids, that are at no fault of their own, and for what?

Also, not to completely dismiss the point, but when an US citizen has to go to jail for a misdemeanor (has to be something more than jaywalking I'd guess, but whatever), their kids at least know where their parent is, they can at least see them regularly, and are probably taken care of while remaining in their known environment. Maybe there is a second parent or grandparents or the like. And if there are not, I'd be all for avoiding jailtime for said single parent for a misdemeanor too.
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(10-13-2020, 10:36 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Prior to the zero tolerance policy, children were only removed from their parents if the parents were being charged with serious crimes like drug smuggling, human trafficking, or violent crimes.

So, I am only comparing jay walking to crossing the border if you are comparing crossing the border to any of those offenses.

"A crime is a crime" is the attitude your side is taking. At least my example is the same severity in the legal system.

No I am saying the crime of illegal immigration should be zero tolerance.  I have never said "a crime is a crime".

It's very simple.  Don't break into a foreign country illegally and with your children.
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(10-13-2020, 11:31 AM)Au165 Wrote: Should you go to jail and be separated from your kids for 180 days in Ohio for stealing a candy bar?  It qualifies for petty theft, a misdemeanor, which by your logic they should have the book thrown at them.

...or the judge could fine them as allowed by the law simiarly as the law for illegal entry into the U.S. allows for a fine without incarciration on a first offense.

That's for the law to decide. But if it's deemed you should go to jail, should your child go with you?
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(10-13-2020, 11:42 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: No I am saying the crime of illegal immigration should be zero tolerance.  I have never said "a crime is a crime".

It's very simple.  Don't break into a foreign country illegally and with your children.

Never mind the silliness that llegally crossing into a sovereign country is the same as jay walking or stealing a candy bar. These are just red herrings

The question is; If the law determines you go to jail, should your child go with you
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(10-13-2020, 11:49 AM)bfine32 Wrote: That's for the law to decide. But if it's deemed you should go to jail, should your child go with you?

Of course not, which is why we don't send kids to jail in this country when their parents commit crimes. We also will often not send people to jail for misdemeanors when circumstances would leave a child without a legal guardian as separating a child from a parent, and throwing the child into the system, would be deemed cruel and unusual punishment by most. 
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(10-13-2020, 11:42 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: No I am saying the crime of illegal immigration should be zero tolerance.  I have never said "a crime is a crime".

It's very simple.  Don't break into a foreign country illegally and with your children.

Why is one low level misdemeanor zero tolerance and another isn't? If it was considered a big deal wouldn't the duly elected legislative branch have made that crime of a higher class?
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(10-13-2020, 11:53 AM)Au165 Wrote: Of course not, which is why we don't send kids to jail in this country when their parents commit crimes. We also will often not send people to jail for misdemeanors when circumstances would leave a child without a legal guardian as separating a child from a parent, and throwing the child into the system, would be deemed cruel and unusual punishment by most. 

But the law of this land is that if you cross illegally you are confined. So they question is: What to do with the child that the parent brought to commit the crime
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(10-13-2020, 11:57 AM)bfine32 Wrote: But the law of this land is that if you cross illegally you are confined. So they question is: What to do with the child that the parent brought to commit the crime

No, actually it isn't it's a sentencing directive unilaterally pushed down from the executive branch. The "law of the land" as passed by the actual legislator allows for a fine of $50-$250 with no incarceration at all. That leeway is there, like most misdemeanors, to allow for intelligent decisions to be made about other circumstances.

What is interesting is they chose to "follow the law of the land", as you incorrectly put it, almost always when dealing with poeple with children, but chose not to charge many people who crossed alone. This is part of the issue now, the picking and choosing of when to pursue charges seems to have been a tactic to intentionally inflict suffering on those with kids as a "warning".
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