12th Pick Impact since 2000

[Luvnit2]

Judge for yourself below, but looks like a big hit or miss to me as far as drafting an all pro player. I would have thought 12th pick would have higher success rate.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Bengals-hold-the-12th-overall-Draft-selection/abe90f87-334f-4fcb-8c53-8cbd54e376d7


12th Overall Selections since 2000:

YEAR

TEAM

POSITION

PLAYER

2017

Houston Texans

QB

DeShaun Watson (Clemson)

2016

New Orleans Saints

DT

Sheldon Rankins (Louisville)

2015

Cleveland Browns

DT

Danny Shelton (Washington)

2014

New York Giants

WR

Odell Beckham, Jr. (LSU) *

2013

Oakland Raiders

CB

D.J. Hayden (Houston)

2012

Philadelphia Eagles

DT

Fletcher Cox (Mississippi State) *

2011

Minnesota Vikings

QB

Christian Ponder (Florida State)

2010

San Diego Chargers

RB

Ryan Mathews (Fresno State)

2009

Denver Broncos

RB

Knowshon Moreno (Georgia)

2008

Denver Broncos

OT

Ryan Clady (Boise State) *

2007

Buffalo Bills

RB

Marshawn Lynch (California) *

2006

Baltimore Ravens

DT

Haloti Ngata (Oregon) *

2005

San Diego Chargers

LB

Shawne Merriman (Maryland) *

2004

New York Jets

LB

Jonathan Vilma (Miami, FL) *

2003

St. Louis Rams

DT

Jimmy Kennedy (Penn State)

2002

Arizona Cardinals

DT

Wendell Bryant (Wisconsin)

2001

St. Louis Rams

DT

Damione Lewis (Miami, FL)

2000

New York Jets

DE

Shaun Ellis (Tennessee) *

[*ochocincos*]

I'd rather the Bengals just focus on getting a good player that has a low chance to bust. Don't try too hard to find a "future pro bowler" by chasing potential.

[Luvnit2]

(01-23-2018, 04:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd rather the Bengals just focus on getting a good player that has a low chance to bust. Don't try too hard to find a "future pro bowler" by chasing potential.

I agree and hard to find, but one with no medical history issues. It is absurd how many of our 1st round picks missed all or significant time due to injuries.

[*ochocincos*]

(01-23-2018, 04:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree and hard to find, but one with no medical history issues. It is absurd how many of our 1st round picks missed all or significant time due to injuries.

Yep. Lose valuable "cheap" years from that contract too even if the player does end up becoming a good/great player but injured.
I think especially with Ogbuehi, they let All-Pro potential drive too much of their evaluation and it backfired.

[Hammerstripes]

To me, the failures at #12 were all reaches at the time.

I remember thinking "what the hell are they taking this guy so high for" when the following were drafted:

Hayden, Ponder and Lewis.

[Au165]

(01-25-2018, 02:21 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: To me, the failures at #12 were all reaches at the time.

I remember thinking "what the hell are they taking this guy so high for" when the following were drafted:

Hayden, Ponder and Lewis.

I'm pretty sure Mike Zimmer was in love with Hayden and we would have taken him had he gotten to us at 21.

[Lionel Hutz]

I remember busting out laughing when Ponder went #12 to Minnesota. His wife would've been worth that pick though!

[Hammerstripes]

(01-25-2018, 03:21 PM)Au165 Wrote: I'm pretty sure Mike Zimmer was in love with Hayden and we would have taken him had he gotten to us at 21.

Yep, at #21.

More often than not, if you reach early, the player ends up being a bust.

[Au165]

(01-25-2018, 07:00 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Yep, at #21.

More often than not, if you reach early, the player ends up being a bust.

I'm not sure I'd say 9 spots were the difference in the kids success. 

[t3r3e3]

(01-23-2018, 04:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd rather the Bengals just focus on getting a good player that has a low chance to bust. Don't try too hard to find a "future pro bowler" by chasing potential.

In that case a choice between Vita Vea, Roquan Smith, and Quentin Nelson (likely gone) makes the most sense. Knowing Mike Brown, expect neither of those three. My guess is the Bengals end up with Mike McGlinchey or Connor Williams.

[Hammerstripes]

(01-26-2018, 09:34 AM)Au165 Wrote: I'm not sure I'd say 9 spots were the difference in the kids success. 

Not saying it is either, but looking at that list, it seems like all the disappointments were guys that are taken much higher then expected.

[*Go Cards*]

That list is the good, bad, and ugly.