2020 Presidential Election

[Belsnickel]

(05-22-2020, 09:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure, "He quickly apologized" is not defending. 

I heard that NASCAR driver "quickly apologized" for using the N word on what he thought was a closed mic. So...

This is quite possibly Biden's "Basket of Deplorable" moment..I had hopes the Dems could do better than this. 

I don't consider pointing out what happened after to be a defense, but to each their own. He didn't say it made it all better.

As to the bold, you were more optimistic about the Democratic party than I was if that was the case.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-22-2020, 09:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure, "He quickly apologized" is not defending. 

I heard that NASCAR driver "quickly apologized" for using the N word on what he thought was a closed mic. So...

This is quite possibly Biden's "Basket of Deplorable" moment..I had hopes the Dems could do better than this. 

I wouldn’t totally give up on the Republicans.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-22-2020, 09:44 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: His post wasn't a defense of the statement. Some of the other posts in this thread would fit the bill, but not Pat's.

Well, basically. Not literally.

[*bfine32*]

(05-22-2020, 09:52 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't consider pointing out what happened after to be a defense, but to each their own. He didn't say it made it all better.

As to the bold, you were more optimistic about the Democratic party than I was if that was the case.

Conceded, but it damn sure wasn't condemning them. But at least he was able to bring up the Trump campaign in his "non-defense". We can only hope you have the same pragmatic view when someone does not immediately condemn a quote by POTUS.

As I said: I had hopes; didn't say I had faith. I also had hopes that the GOP would launch a viable opponent. But here we are again picking between two candidates whose best motto is "At least I'm not him". 

Maybe Mitt Romney will run as an independent 

[*bfine32*]

(05-22-2020, 09:55 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Well, basically. Not literally.

If your intention is to support his point...you failed. 

[*bfine32*]

https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/a-black-mans-response-to-joe-biden/?fbclid=IwAR3YdZbyisFrpsZJgye8SIvX8YBqWHo4fdvoejPt6RQ9UakpN4d3jTbneh0
My man Allan West calling out the groupthink.

[NATI BENGALS]

(05-22-2020, 10:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/a-black-mans-response-to-joe-biden/?fbclid=IwAR3YdZbyisFrpsZJgye8SIvX8YBqWHo4fdvoejPt6RQ9UakpN4d3jTbneh0
My man Allan West calling out the groupthink.

You can save yourself some time if you skip to 2:15 and listen to the biased jackass spew text-book political talking points like the good conservative that he is.

[*bfine32*]

(05-23-2020, 12:08 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: You can save yourself some time if you skip to 2:15 and listen to the biased jackass spew text-book political talking points like the good conservative that he is.

I don't need to skip to anything. LTC West rightly called him out for insulting an entire race. 

But he "quickly apologized". 

I'd likewise be insulted if Trump said: "You don't vote for me, then you ain't white"

There's just some that see beyond the color. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-22-2020, 10:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If your intention is to support his point...you failed. 

No. I’m laughing. Because you spend a great deal of your time in defense of Trump claiming he didn’t say something literally. And here we are. You claiming Biden “basically” said something even though he didn’t “literally” say it.

It’s f’n hilarious.

I mean, how many pages did you spend claiming Trump didn’t literally say windmills cause cancer?

And now you’re all like Biden didn’t literally say it, but he basically said it even though those words never came out his mouth.

Stephen A. Smith would be proud.

[samhain]

I feel like any bland, garden variety Dem politician at the national level should be able to beat Trump at this point. The path is there and it's fairly clear. There are a lot of once-red states in various stages of turning blue, and Trump is an incumbent with a shittier approval rating than Carter had during the Iran hostage crisis.

However, if anyone can screw this up, it's Biden. He just can't help but say something awkward or unintelligible every few weeks. He needs to get on his game. Maybe he needs to get on the alleged speed that DJT takes to boost his cognitive function.

Trump is as beatable as any incumbent can be, but the Dems are great a screwing these sorts of things up, and I fear the found the exact man to do that job in Biden.

[Dill]

(05-23-2020, 12:08 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: You can save yourself some time if you skip to 2:15 and listen to the biased jackass spew text-book political talking points like the good conservative that he is.

Yow!

"The bigotry of soft expectations" the "Democratic party has destroyed the black family" "The party of slavery" "the party of segregation" "the party of socialism"  "The party of the Ku Klux Klan . . . lynchings . . . . Jim Crow," it has "ALWAYS been against the black community in America."

Look out Dems and other "real" racists! Move over Candace Owens.

A powerful new voice breaks out of GROUPTHINK mode to finally articulate a fresh vision for Black conservatives.

However, if voting patterns are any indication, Biden's statement might have increased his already considerable share of the black vote, especially among those who pay more attention to what Trump says and does regarding race than how Republicans characterize Democrats. Been that way since '64

[GMDino]

I learned a couple things about what Biden said:

1) Lots of conservatives are suddenly progressives telling black people what they should think.

2) After four plus years of Trump supporters/defenders telling he didn't say the words he said and if he did he didn't mean what he said they now point to someone else and say you can't say those kinds of things.

3) Biden knows the value of saying "I shouldn't have said" and apologizing and explaining.  Trump has never apologized for anything.  Nothing.  He's like an uncool Fonz who can't say the word "sorry"...with worse hair too.

[Dill]

(05-23-2020, 07:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: I learned a couple things about what Biden said:

1) Lots of conservatives are suddenly progressives telling black people what they should think.

2) After four plus years of Trump supporters/defenders telling he didn't say the words he said and if he did he didn't mean what he said they now point to someone else and say you can't say those kinds of things.

3) Biden knows the value of saying "I shouldn't have said" and apologizing and explaining.  Trump has never apologized for anything.  Nothing.  He's like an uncool Fonz who can't say the word "sorry"...with worse hair too.

That's a liberal LIE!  Trump apologized for the Hollywood Access tape. Though we can't even be sure it was his voice on the tape!

Hannity was right--"the left" will do anything to distort Trump's record and make him look bad!

[GMDino]

One of mu cousins posted this on FB:



Naturally he has his fellow Trump supporters are simply AGHAST about the "Operant Conditioning. If you hear it enough, you will believe it."


The page that originally posted it has these gems:


That phrase is reserved for demagogues, tyrants, and sheep. The propaganda machine pushes it so that bit by bit we accept our loss of liberty.

Quote:“Those that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety”- Ben Franklin

Quote:The time for peaceful resolution and reasonable discourse has come and gone. It's time for Patriots to pick up arms, and show the tyrants exactly what the 2nd amendment was intended for.

(Every attempt to put Franklin's quote (or anything really) into a modern context is shouted down.)


So it makes me wonder what the "Operant Conditioning" is for the "MAGA" hats and shirts they are all wearing?

It's ALMOST like they don't understand they were brainwashed into believing EVERYTHING they disagree with is...brainwashing.

[*bfine32*]

(05-23-2020, 07:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: I learned a couple things about what Biden said:

1) Lots of conservatives are suddenly progressives telling black people what they should think.

2) After four plus years of Trump supporters/defenders telling he didn't say the words he said and if he did he didn't mean what he said they now point to someone else and say you can't say those kinds of things.

3) Biden knows the value of saying "I shouldn't have said" and apologizing and explaining.  Trump has never apologized for anything.  Nothing.  He's like an uncool Fonz who can't say the word "sorry"...with worse hair too.

The whataboutisim is strong in this one. Biden's comments were condescending to a whole race of people and to date 1 left-leaner on here has condemned the comments. The rest have defended then using the tried and true defense of...but Trump! Sadly the whole Democratic Party adopted it as the 2020 POTUS Slogan. 

[GMDino]

As pandemic death toll reaches 100,000 and scientists race to find a cure, the president sits for an interview with a fringe, anti-vaccine journalist. pic.twitter.com/pgysKdmxZK

— Christian Vanderbrouk (@UrbanAchievr) May 23, 2020

 

[GMDino]

(05-23-2020, 01:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The whataboutisim is strong in this one. Biden's comments were condescending to a whole race of people and to date 1 left-leaner on here has condemned the comments. The rest have defended then using the tried and true defense of...but Trump! Sadly the whole Democratic Party adopted it as the 2020 POTUS Slogan. 

Ah...as opposed to "lock her up"?



Hell of a defense of yourself there son!  Hell of a defense! 

[GMDino]

(05-23-2020, 07:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: I learned a couple things about what Biden said:

1) Lots of conservatives are suddenly progressives telling black people what they should think.

(05-23-2020, 01:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Biden's comments were condescending to a whole race of people

(05-23-2020, 07:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: 2) After four plus years of Trump supporters/defenders telling he didn't say the words he said and if he did he didn't mean what he said they now point to someone else and say you can't say those kinds of things.

(05-23-2020, 01:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The rest have defended then using the tried and true defense of...but Trump!

"The whataboutisim is strong in this one."

[Dill]

(05-23-2020, 01:40 AM)samhain Wrote: I feel like any bland, garden variety Dem politician at the national level should be able to be Trump at this point.  The path is there and it's fairly clear.  There are a lot of once-red states in various stages of turning blue, and Trump is an incumbent with a shittier approval rating than Carter had during the Iran hostage crisis.  

However, if anyone can screw this up, it's Biden.  He just can't help but say something awkward or unintelligible every few weeks.  He needs to get on his game.  Maybe he needs to get on the alleged speed that DJT takes to boost his cognitive function.

Trump is as beatable as any incumbent can be, but the Dems are great a screwing these sorts of things up, and I fear the found the exact man to do that job in Biden.

That's why the vice presidential selection will be important. People just want Biden to pull in votes and then if elected hold down the fort, settle the WH chaos. If he gets a decent VEEP then people will feel some security.

Biden is indeed "closest to Trump" in that he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Unlike many of my Dem friends, I think he lost his debate with Ryan by substituting a laugh and head shake for substantive answers. We knew Hillary could debate anyone competently, but each Biden/Trump debate will be a crap shoot. When Biden feels he is on a roll, he wings it, sans filter. He is a good person so he doesn't offend and divide to the degree Trump does. But he could shave off percentages off the polls for month after month, until the election is a tie by Nov. The search for Trump equivalence points--"racist" statements or allegations of sexual assault accompanied by cries of "lib hypocrisy"--will be at fever pitch by August.

Framing Biden's last gaff as "calling out a whole race" probably won't change any minds. The RWM will re-circulate that as hyper-denigration of "every black," but most black people (lol, I'm calling out "most" of a race here), know very well why they are not voting for Trump. Even Allan West, Candace Owens, and Diamond and Silk repeating the "party of segregation" mantra nightly won't move that needle.

[Dill]

(05-22-2020, 03:43 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Is it courage or does Trump’s penchant to constantly lie about Obama indicate he suffers from Obama Derangement Syndrome? Because, you know, Obama.

Funny how that construct has flipped. For 8 years Obama was hammered for tan suits and coffee salutes and "scandals" that turned out not to be--"most corrupt administration ever" . . . somehow. ACA good but Obamacare bad. Iran Deal--worst ever! Because Obama.

Now that we have a president whose PUBLIC actions and words don't require an investigation to call down shock, horror and condemnation from every corner of the world except Russia and Saudi Arabia, there is this transparent effort to pretend dislike of Trump and desire for his removal is simply unfounded, or founded only in some vague and baseless "hate."

If Trump sexually assaulted a woman on 5th Avenue in broad daylight, and the DOJ declined to prosecute a sitting president not named Obama, the roar of near universal condemnation would be explained away as  . . . "because Trump."