6 Actual Acts of Terrorism

[GMDino]

...That Occurred While Everyone Was Panicking About Refugees


http://mic.com/articles/129287/6-actual-acts-of-terrorism-that-occurred-while-everyone-was-panicking-about-refugees#.2ZgW5oTp1

Quote:In the wake of a gun and bomb rampage in Paris on Nov. 13 that left at least 130 dead and wounded over 350 others, Republicans and some Democrats have decided to attempt to shut down the Obama administration's ongoing refugee program that resettles the displaced from war zones to the U.S.

Thirty-one governors — 30 Republicans, one Democrat — across the country have refused to accept the refugees, insisting they pose an unacceptable security risk. Many of those migrants are fleeing the Islamic State group, the terrorist organization that committed the attacks in Paris.

But in the meantime, homegrown domestic extremists across the United States have been doing a pretty good job of terrorizing their fellow citizens with guns, explosives and threats of large-scale attacks. It's part of an alarming trend of growing right-wing extremism across the United States, with data from the New America Foundation showing such extremists have killed nearly twice as many Americans as self-proclaimed jihadists since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

What's the real threat to the U.S.? Here's a partial sampling of all the horrible things that have gone down while anyone turning on the news could hear someone arguing that Syrian refugees pose the biggest existential threat to public safety the country faces today.

Mass shooting at Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado

Three people died and nine more were hospitalized after a man opened fire at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs on Nov. 27, launching an hours-long gun battle with police.

Authorities eventually arrested 57-year-old Robert L. Dear for the gun rampage, which left one police officer and two civilians dead. According to the New York Times, the gunman focused on the clinic during the shooting but also shot at people in the parking lot and nearby stores.

"While the shooter's motives have yet to come to be released, what we do know is that this is not the first violent attack waged at a Planned Parenthood facility, and it likely won't be the last," Mic's Ellie Krupnick writes. "Mass shootings at Planned Parenthood and other reproductive health clinics might not be common, but violence and harassment are."

Since a series of heavily edited videos purporting to show Planned Parenthood staffers discussing the illegal sale of fetal organs was released online, violence directed at the nonprofit's facilities and staff has increased, with arsonists setting four Planned Parenthood clinics nationwide on fire.

Armed protesters intimidate mosque in Irving, Texas

About a dozen men armed with rifles and shotguns stood outside the peaceful Islamic Center of Irving in Texas on Nov. 21, holding banners that said they were the "solution to Islamic terrorism."

Group spokesman David Wright seemingly admitted part of the protest's point was to intimidate the Muslims worshiping there. He told the Dallas Morning News the weaponry was "mostly for self-defense or protection. But I'm not going to lie. We do want to show force. We're not sitting ducks."

For its part, the mosque had already condemned the terrorist attacks in Paris.

"I doubt that they'd be happy if some of the Muslim churchgoers here showed up at their Christian church, their Baptist church, their Methodist church tomorrow morning with rifles slung over their shoulders," city councilman David Palmer told the Dallas Morning News.

Bomb hoax at Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Virginia

The Fairfax County Police Department arrested 27-year-old Chester H. Gore after he planted a fake bomb at Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, on Nov. 19, according to the Falls Church News-Press.

Gore threw Molotov cocktails into the mosque's parking lot, say members of the mosque.

Officer Roger Henriquez told the paper, "It's enough that it would lead a reasonable person to believe, given the location of where he was, given the time, he was there at three in the morning ... what he said ... It would lead you to believe that this guy is doing this because we are of this religious denomination or ethnicity or combination of both."

Five arrested in plot to bomb black churches and synagogues

FBI agents arrested two alleged white supremacists in Virginia on Nov. 8 in connection to what authorities said was a plot to bomb black churches and synagogues.

CNN reports the suspects, Robert Curtis Doyle and Ronald Beasley Chaney III, were arrested after they attempted to purchase firearms and explosives from an undercover FBI agent. They planned to commit a series of robberies in preparation for the planned attacks as well.

Three others were also arrested. According to the Richmond Times-Dispatch, Doyle and Chaney also have extensive criminal backgrounds.

Mosque shot at in Connecticut

Someone shot a gun at Baitul Aman Mosque in Meriden, Connecticut, hours after news of the attacks in Paris broke on Nov. 13.

The Hartford Courant reported police found four bullets in the mosque, including one which had "pierced both exterior walls and an interior partition."

"The picture is getting increasingly bleak," Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told the Associated Press. "There's been an accumulation of anti-Islamic rhetoric in our lives and that I think has triggered these overt acts of violence and vandalism."

Alleged white supremacists shoot five at Black Lives Matter rally in Minneapolis

Five people were shot, including one in the stomach, in Minneapolis on Nov. 23 after a group of masked men who had been harassing Black Lives Matter rallies over the fatal police shooting of 24-year-old black man Jamar Clark were being escorted away from protesters.

Two of the men posted on the message board 4chan before the incident about a brewing "race war" and uploaded videos in which they claimed to be "here to watch the fire rise." They also used racial epithets and urged viewers to "stay white," according to the New York Times.

[*michaelsean*]

I don't get your point. We have violence here already so some more won't hurt?

[GMDino]

(11-30-2015, 12:47 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't get your point.  We have violence here already so some more won't hurt?

Nope.

Just pointing out that fear of something *might* happen has overshadowed things that *actually*happened.  But the perpetrators do not fit the talking points so they don't count.

Plus some folks around these parts wouldn't consider the listed events as "terrorism" since they have to know the motives first.

[Au165]

It is true, for some reason we only look outward when the reality is we have plenty of hate groups and domestic terrorists doing things here. Everyone is all about taking out ISIS right now, but by number of deaths they aren't even the most prevalent terrorist group in the world that belongs to Boko Haram, yet we don't even talk about that group. the same time the Paris attacks took place there was an attack in Beirut, but I'd wager many people couldn't give you any details about this attack (40 people died here btw).

What do they all have in common? It all comes down to how the media presents things. The masses in general only know what they are being told, and very few look past what they see on nightly news or websites. The reality is terrorism is an issue, as it rose 80% last year to account for 32k deaths world wide last year. The thing is that while the rate of increase is alarming the total number is microscopic in the grand scheme of things. It would rank currently as the 67th leading cause of death in the world, however the money we spend and the coverage it gets you'd think it is top 10.

I don't want to minimize the severity of terrorism, all death especially murder is bad, but I am just trying to point out how much our views are shaped by the information we receive through major media and how it is portrayed to us.

[*bfine32*]

(11-30-2015, 12:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Plus some folks around these parts wouldn't consider the listed events as "terrorism" since they have to know the motives first.

Those folks seem pretty pragmatic. What kind of dumbass would jump to the conclusion that something was an act of terrorism without knowing the motives behind the suspect(s)?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(11-30-2015, 01:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Those folks seem pretty pragmatic. What kind of dumbass would jump to the conclusion that something was an act of terrorism without knowing the motives behind the suspect(s)?

I think we can deduce his motive was to shoot people at the Planned Parenthood clinic.  What additional information would you need to determine the crime was/wasn't an act of terrorism?

[*bfine32*]

(11-30-2015, 01:51 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I think we can deduce his motive was to shoot people at the Planned Parenthood clinic.  What additional information would you need to determine the crime was/wasn't an act of terrorism?

Off the top of my head:

Disgruntled ex-employee

personal relationship with employee

Significant other in an extra-marital affair with an employee

Robbery

I have given the example of the shooting here are HRC. Without knowing motive (intent) it was orginally thought to be an act of terrorism similar to what has happened at Ft Hood. Turns out it was concerning matters of possible domestic infidelity.

We can draw conclusions and as soon as reports were leaked that the shooter yelled "no more baby body parts" we then have a possible motive and begin to consider it an act of domestic violence. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(11-30-2015, 02:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Off the top of my head:

Disgruntled ex-employee

personal relationship with employee

Significant other in an extra-marital affair with an employee

Robbery

If given the example of the shooting here are HRC. Without knowing motive (intent) is was orginally thought to be an act of terrorism simalar to what has happened at Ft Hood. Turns out it was concerning matters of possible domestic infidelity.

We can draw conclusions and as soon as treports were leaked that the shooter yelled "no more baby body parts" we then have a possible motive and begin to consider it an act of domestic violence. 

That's reasonable.

[GMDino]

(11-30-2015, 02:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Off the top of my head:

Disgruntled ex-employee

personal relationship with employee

Significant other in an extra-marital affair with an employee

Robbery

I have given the example of the shooting here are HRC. Without knowing motive (intent) it was orginally thought to be an act of terrorism similar to what has happened at Ft Hood. Turns out it was concerning matters of possible domestic infidelity.

We can draw conclusions and as soon as reports were leaked that the shooter yelled "no more baby body parts" we then have a possible motive and begin to consider it an act of domestic violence. 

Satanic possession.

He's actually an ET who uses gunfire to say hello.

Never really happened...all just a government conspiracy to make people like abortions.

Those are about as realistic given what has been said about the shooter so far.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/29/457756325/what-we-know-about-the-alleged-planned-parenthood-shooter

Quote:Police say Robert Lewis Dear, 57, killed three people and left nine wounded.

Planned Parenthood Shooting Suspect Robert Lewis Dear To Appear In Court Monday
A search of public records finds that Dear had several run-ins with the law. The records show nine criminal filings under his name: Two "personal intrusion" — or peeping Tom or eavesdropping — charges that were later dropped and he was acquitted of two animal cruelty charges.
With that, here's what other news organizations have turned up about Dear:
— Dear 'Preferred to Be Left Alone'
The New York Times visited Dear's home in Hartsel, Colorado. Dear lived in a white trailer "with a forest-green four-wheeler by the front door and a modest black cross painted on one end." One neighbor told the paper that Dear "preferred to be left alone."
The paper also visited with his ex-wife, Pamela Ross, who said Dear showed flashes of anger, even against her. The paper reports:

Quote:
"He was an independent art dealer with a degree in public administration from a Midwestern college, she said, who struck deals with artists, mostly Southern ones, who painted Charleston, S.C., street scenes, Old South plantation tableaus, magnolias and pictures of the Citadel campus. He tended to buy the rights to paintings, commission 1,000 or so prints, then market and sell the prints and keep the proceeds.

"He was born in Charleston and grew up in Louisville, Ky., but he had strong ties to South Carolina. His father was a graduate of the Citadel, Charleston's famous public military college. Robert Lewis Dear Sr., the father, died in 2004. He was a Navy veteran who served in World War II and worked 40 years for the Liggett & Myers Tobacco Company. ...

"He was generally conservative, but not obsessed with politics. He kept guns around the house for personal protection and hunting, and he taught their son to hunt doves, as many Southern fathers do. He believed that abortion was wrong, but it was not something that he spoke about much. 'It was never really a topic of discussion,' she said."

— An Interview With Police

Multiple news outlets, including The New York Times, NBC News, The Wall Street Journal and CNN, are citing unnamed law enforcement officials saying Dear gave a rambling interview to investigators after the shootings in which he mentioned "baby parts."

NBC News reports:

Quote:
"In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said 'no more baby parts' in reference to Planned Parenthood, two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case told NBC News.

"But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the 'baby parts' remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements."

— A Person 'You Had To Watch Out For':

The Washington Post visited Dear's other home in Black Mountain, N.C., where Dear lived in a yellow shack without indoor plumbing.

A small shack with no electricity or running water where where Planned Parenthood clinic shooting suspect Robert Lewis Dear spent time. The shack about a half-mile up a twisty dirt road near Black Mountain, N.C.
Michael Biesecker /AP

One of his Anderson Acres' neighbor told the paper that Dear was the kind of person "you had to watch out for."

"He was a very weird individual," the neighbor said. "It's hard to explain, but he had a weird look in his eye most of the time."

The paper reports:

Quote:
"... Neighbors said they recognized Dear from television news coverage of Friday's shootings, in which police said he killed three people, including a police officer, and wounded nine others. They said he looked more beaten down than the last time they had seen him, and that his beard was new — but that he was the same aloof, angry man they remembered.

"'He complained about everything,' said another neighbor who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying that he feared for his security. 'He said he worked with the government, and everybody was out to get him, and he knew the secrets of the U.S.A. He said, "Nobody touch me, because I've got enough information to put the whole U.S. of A in danger." It was very crazy.'"

Dear is scheduled to make his first court appearance on Monday. He is being held without bond at the El Paso County criminal justice center.

[*Nately120*]

(11-30-2015, 02:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We can draw conclusions and as soon as reports were leaked that the shooter yelled "no more baby body parts" we then have a possible motive and begin to consider it an act of domestic violence. 

Wait, did he actually say this or was the liberal media just tossing that in there to make it look like Fiorina and other Republicans who were pushing the "selling body parts" agenda are to blame?

[*bfine32*]

(11-30-2015, 02:34 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Wait, did he actually say this or was the liberal media just tossing that in there to make it look like Fiorina and other Republicans who were pushing the "selling body parts" agenda are to blame?

Dino was kind enough to post a few links that allows us to look more into his motive. One of them states he mentions "baby parts" in an interview after he was arrested.

[*michaelsean*]

(11-30-2015, 12:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Nope.

Just pointing out that fear of something *might* happen has overshadowed things that *actually*happened.  But the perpetrators do not fit the talking points so they don't count.

Plus some folks around these parts wouldn't consider the listed events as "terrorism" since they have to know the motives first.

Overshadowed how?  One is a discussion on policy.  Should we or shouldn't we.  How is that connected to people here committing violence?

[Rotobeast]

(11-30-2015, 02:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/29/457756325/what-we-know-about-the-alleged-planned-parenthood-shooter

Sounds like Borderline Personality Disorder mixed with Paranoid Schizophrenia.

[GMDino]

(11-30-2015, 06:13 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Overshadowed how?  One is a discussion on policy.  Should we or shouldn't we.  How is that connected to people here committing violence?

If the "logic" being used is: "Brown people cause trouble somewhere, brown people form there want in, we can't let them in or they might kill us" then the discussion should include the fact that we have non-brown people already here who cause MORE problems and kill MORE of us and we just shrug our shoulders and say "Eh,what can you do?".

That's how it is connected.

[*michaelsean*]

(12-01-2015, 08:39 AM)GMDino Wrote: If the "logic" being used is: "Brown people cause trouble somewhere, brown people form there want in, we can't let them in or they might kill us" then the discussion should include the fact that we have non-brown people already here who cause MORE problems and kill MORE of us and we just shrug our shoulders and say "Eh,what can you do?".

That's how it is connected.

What is your point with "brown" people?  Why would the discussion on who we let in include what happens here now?

[GMDino]

(11-30-2015, 02:34 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Wait, did he actually say this or was the liberal media just tossing that in there to make it look like Fiorina and other Republicans who were pushing the "selling body parts" agenda are to blame?

(12-01-2015, 09:00 AM)michaelsean Wrote: What is your point with "brown" people?  Why would the discussion on who we let in include what happens here now?

The point with the brown people is THAT is who the focus is on.

And the discussion on the refugees has focused on nothing other than fear of what they might do.  Nothing.  Meanwhile we have another mass shooting and gooly gee whiz it "just happens" nothing we can do.

[*michaelsean*]

(12-01-2015, 09:44 AM)GMDino Wrote: The point with the brown people is THAT is who the focus is on.

And the discussion on the refugees has focused on nothing other than fear of what they might do.  Nothing.  Meanwhile we have another mass shooting and gooly gee whiz it "just happens" nothing we can do.

Well we spent 3/4 of a century focusing on a country with a lot of white people.  And I still don't understand what you think needs to be done about domestic killings that isn't being done because we talk about who we should let in?

[StLucieBengal]

(12-01-2015, 10:29 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Well we spent 3/4 of a century focusing on a country with a lot of white people.  And I still don't understand what you think needs to be done about domestic killings that isn't being done because we talk about who we should let in?

He has no point other than to attempt to make anyone who wants limited immigration policy seem like a racist or heartless.

Forget the point that maybe refugees shouldn't be leaving their continent. Only for the fact that they will have a easier chance to assimilate and maintain some level of comfort they are accustomed.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-02-2015, 12:42 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: He has no point other than to attempt to make anyone who wants limited immigration policy seem like a racist or heartless.    

Forget the point that maybe refugees shouldn't be leaving their continent.   Only for the fact that they will have a easier chance to assimilate and maintain some level of comfort they are accustomed.

That isn't his point.  You yourself have complained about how restrictive our immigration policies are, hypocrite.

[GMDino]

(12-01-2015, 10:29 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Well we spent 3/4 of a century focusing on a country with a lot of white people.  And I still don't understand what you think needs to be done about domestic killings that isn't being done because we talk about who we should let in?

Doesn't matter what I think she be done.  The argument that letting refugees in is bad because they might be dangerous is moot when compared to the amount of dangerous people here we already don't / can't do anything about.  That's the point.

You have people selling the fear that terrorists are going to sneak in through the immigration process while ignoring the fact that even if 1 or two did they would probably still do less damage than we do to ourselves.