8 Obamacare state co-op's close down.

[StLucieBengal]

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/10/obamacare-co-ops-dropping-like-flies/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/BjCPQcwEqe

23 state co-ops were started and now 15 remain to be closed down .

Thanks Obama for this mess. Yet another failure.

[Vas Deferens]

(10-20-2015, 03:21 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/10/obamacare-co-ops-dropping-like-flies/#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/BjCPQcwEqe

23 state co-ops were started and now 15 remain to be closed down .  

Thanks Obama for this mess.   Yet another failure.

How many people need healthcare that can't afford it almighty christ follower?  You want your fellow bretheren to die due to their inferrior occupation?   


Way to embody the teachings of christ bro. **** eveeryone else, LUCIE is more important. 

[JustWinBaby]

(10-20-2015, 04:07 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: How many people need healthcare that can't afford it almighty christ follower?  You want your fellow bretheren to die due to their inferrior occupation?  

As if anyone who wanted healthcare was actually denied it...

Face it, you got duped.  Obamacare was the same bullshit "lies" as Saddam having WMD's and just another costly expense to the taxpayer to expand the welfare state and kickback to corporate contributors. 

Although I'm sure our liberal friends here will attempt to make a distinction without a difference.  Of course, the math never added up...but without math we'd all be climate change believers.

[GMDino]

(10-20-2015, 04:50 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: As if anyone who wanted healthcare was actually denied it...

Face it, you got duped.  Obamacare was the same bullshit "lies" as Saddam having WMD's and just another costly expense to the taxpayer to expand the welfare state and kickback to corporate contributors. 

Although I'm sure our liberal friends here will attempt to make a distinction without a difference.  Of course, the math never added up...but without math we'd all be climate change believers.

What fantasy world do you live in?


I'm not even saying the ACA was good...but did you type that question with a straight face?

My wife got turned down for a medication THIS WEEK.  Had all the tests, doctor recommended, no generic form, TOOK THE MEDICATION BEFORE...and the insurance company turned it down.

They'll end up reversing eventually...but its not the first time.

And there are many, MANY stories of people being refused insurance or having their coverage dropped because some bean counter decided he knew better than a doctor.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-20-2015, 04:50 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: As if anyone who wanted healthcare was actually denied it...

It only happens every day.  Personally, I usually see at least one patient a week who can't afford their healthcare.

Recently, I saw one patient for abdominal pain.  She had a chronic history of something which she couldn't remember and wanted a refill of a medication she couldn't remember, either.  Her friend was with her and complained the patient couldn't see her gastroenterologist because of Obamacare.  She had United Healthcare HMO and believed because it was Obamacare because it was an HMO.  HMOs require prior authorization from the insurance company and a referral from her PCP to see a specialist like a gastroenterologist.  Doesn't have anything to do with Obamacare.  This type of ignorance is typical people who believe people aren't denied healthcare every, single day.

More recently I was on the phone arguing with an insurance company about prior authorization for an abdominal CT scan.  "Why do you need it?"  So I can rule out an abdominal aneurysm because if it ruptures the patient has a 50% chance of dying on the spot.  He is too fat for an ultrasound.  "Have you tried an US?"  No, he...is...too...fat.  "Have you tried?" NO!  He's too fat!  If the US is normal I can't trust the results because, for the third time, he's obese and I'll just order the CT which means I'll be ordering two tests instead of just one!  Turns out it was renal cell carcinoma which a AA US would have completely missed.  Keep defending big business. 

[Vas Deferens]

(10-20-2015, 04:50 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: As if anyone who wanted healthcare was actually denied it...

Wait, are you implying there is a quantifiable subset of the population who would rather NOT have healthcare?

[GodHatesBengals]

(10-20-2015, 01:09 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Wait, are you implying there is a quantifiable subset of the population who would rather NOT have healthcare?

Sure! All those people choose purposely to work jobs that don't offer healthcare cuz they like it. Kind of like people who make minimum wage are lazy and just enjoy not working as hard as people who sit in an office and bark orders for a living, and how women who wear short skirts truly want Republican men to rape them.

No doubt that Obamacare was only a minor improvement over our previous situation, but that's just one more reason to feel the Bern.

[fredtoast]

The ACA did some good things, but it was not what was needed.  It was a sell out to insurance companies because their made to much money to do away with.

But I would still take the ACA over what the Republicans would have done.  They were in favor of tort reform, but while that is a legit concern it amounts to only a drop in the bucket of health care costs.  The main reason Republicans were in favor of that was that it limited the liability and protected doctors and insurance companies.  

Republicans also claimed that prices woudl go down in people were allowed to "shop" for their health care, but this is impossible.  Try calling a doctor and asking how much an office call will cost.  They can't tell you because it all depends on what the doctor has to do when he sees you.  Plus a patient needs to see the same providers on a consistent basis.  A patient's past history can help a doctor diagnose what is going wrong now.  And finally, their is no time to shop when getting treatment for accidental injuries.

Opening up competition across state lines will not make a huge difference either.  The same corporations already operate separate branches in multiple states.  They are not going to start bidding against themselves to lower prices.

So while I am not happy with the ACA, I'll take it over the alternative.  The people who could afford health insurance were already paying the bill for all the broke people who received treatment, but could not pay.  All those written-off losses were figured into operating costs.  So that was figured into the bills of the people who could pay.  

The ACA prevents people who can afford insurance not getting it then taking advantage of emergency care.  Most young-health working people will not spend a lot on medical care unless they have an accidental injury.  So many of them were willing to take the risk.