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A Utah parent says the Bible contains porn & should be removed from school libraries
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Was it Pat Benetar or Joan Jett that said hell is for children?
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Doesn't this happen like every decade?  Someone says the bible has porn in it, everyone mocks that person, then we move on?  

Quote:por·nog·ra·phy

  1. printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

I feel pretty confident in saying this.....

The bible was not written with the intent of "stimulating" a person's erotic feelings.  

I don't know which side of the political spectrum the person(s) claiming this is...but they're pretty stupid.  

If I get off on watching dogs die, that doesn't immediately make Where the Red Fern Grows pornographic material.  
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(03-27-2023, 01:15 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: That is the second greatest commandment. Love the Lord God with all your heart is the greatest. I knew you were blowing smoke.

You don't love him, you fear him. You said it already, if it wasn't for the fear of God, you would be another person.


You don't fear what you love.

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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(03-27-2023, 02:10 PM)basballguy Wrote: Doesn't this happen like every decade?  Someone says the bible has porn in it, everyone mocks that person, then we move on?  


I feel pretty confident in saying this.....

The bible was not written with the intent of "stimulating" a person's erotic feelings.  

I don't know which side of the political spectrum the person(s) claiming this is...but they're pretty stupid.  

If I get off on watching dogs die, that doesn't immediately make Where the Red Fern Grows pornographic material.  

Unfortunately, from what I read in the original story, the law doesn't make room for the overall message of a book.  It just says if it has anything a parent would consider unacceptable for their child.  Do you want you child reading about a man offering his daughters up for rape?  Or a woman who lusted after men who were hung like donkeys and ejaculated like horses?

Secondly if you did get off on watching dogs die then everything that has a dog die would get you off...that makes it sexual.

Just like folks in the old days used the Sears catalog to see scantily dressed women (and men, I assume).  

The initial product wasn't intended for that use but that's not what the law considers.  

For sexual descriptions and violent acts very few books would equal the bible.  And that is what the good people of Utah are trying to protect their progeny from!
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(03-27-2023, 04:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: Unfortunately, from what I read in the original story, the law doesn't make room for the overall message of a book.  It just says if it has anything a parent would consider unacceptable for their child.  Do you want you child reading about a man offering his daughters up for rape?  Or a woman who lusted after men who were hung like donkeys and ejaculated like horses?

Secondly if you did get off on watching dogs die then everything that has a dog die would get you off...that makes it sexual.

Just like folks in the old days used the Sears catalog to see scantily dressed women (and men, I assume).  

The initial product wasn't intended for that use but that's not what the law considers.  

For sexual descriptions and violent acts very few books would equal the bible.  And that is what the good people of Utah are trying to protect their progeny from!



My memory is hazy but I seem to recall the sears catalog not being marketed as pornographic material.

Just because someone CAN use it for erotic feelings doesn't make it porn (per the definition of the word).

As for the law, can't speak to that...i was just going with the actual definition of the word.  

Not liking the contents is one thing, but claiming it to be porn is another.  

This is one of those things where common sense always prevails.  
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(03-27-2023, 02:10 PM)basballguy Wrote: The bible was not written with the intent of "stimulating" a person's erotic feelings.  

Song of Songs most certainly is written with the goal of promoting sexual enjoyment.  You can say god had an agenda with the "MAN AND A WOMAN" and "MARRIED" aspect of it, but it's about the joy of sex.


(03-27-2023, 05:43 PM)basballguy Wrote: This is one of those things where common sense always prevails.  

Pffft, from a country that promotes gambling and alcohol but demonized other drugs, including a certain lovely plant?  Common sense ain't so common.  Don't even get me started on how I can buy a lady dinner and leverage sex, but if I cut to the chase and take Ruby Tuesday's out of it I'm suddenly breaking the law.
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(03-27-2023, 05:45 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Song of Songs most certainly is written with the goal of promoting sexual enjoyment.  You can say god had an agenda with the "MAN AND A WOMAN" and "MARRIED" aspect of it, but it's about the joy of sex.

Again, we're calling out pieces of the bible.  

The bible itself was not written to induce erotic feelings.  

I don't know why y'all like picking up on a tiny piece of things and blowing it way out of context.
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(03-27-2023, 05:48 PM)basballguy Wrote: Again, we're calling out pieces of the bible.  

The bible itself was not written to induce erotic feelings.  

I don't know why y'all like picking up on a tiny piece of things and blowing it way out of context.

Oh sure, the agnostics are the people who blow the Bible out of context.  Lordy loo!
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(03-27-2023, 05:43 PM)basballguy Wrote: My memory is hazy but I seem to recall the sears catalog not being marketed as pornographic material.

Just because someone CAN use it for erotic feelings doesn't make it porn (per the definition of the word).

As for the law, can't speak to that...i was just going with the actual definition of the word.  

Not liking the contents is one thing, but claiming it to be porn is another.  

This is one of those things where common sense always prevails.  

Another thing to remember is that the dictionary "definition" doesn't affect the legality of it.


https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1551#:~:text=pornography,all%20types%20of%20sexual%20intercourse.


Quote:pornography

n. pictures and/or writings of sexual activity intended solely to excite lascivious feelings of a particularly blatant and aberrational kind, such as acts involving children, animals, orgies, and all types of sexual intercourse. The printing, publication, sale and distribution of "hard core" pornography is either a felony or misdemeanor in most states. Since determining what is pornography and what is "soft core" and "hard core" are subjective questions to judges, juries and law enforcement officials, it is difficult to define, since the law cases cannot print examples for the courts to follow.


See also: obscene
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But again this is moot because of
the law.


Quote:117          Section 3. Section 53G-10-103 is enacted to read:
118          53G-10-103. Sensitive instructional materials.
119          (1) As used in this section:
120          (a) (i) "Instructional material" means a material, regardless of format, used:
121          (A) as or in place of textbooks to deliver curriculum within the state curriculum
122     framework for courses of study by students; or
123          (B) to support a student's learning in the school setting.
124          (ii) "Instructional material" includes reading materials, handouts, videos, digital
125     materials, websites, online applications, and live presentations.
126          (b) "LEA governing board" means:
127          (i) for a school district, the local school board;
128          (ii) for a charter school, the charter school governing board; or
129          (iii) for the Utah Schools for the Deaf and the Blind, the state board.
130          © "Material" means the same as that term is defined in Section 76-10-1201.
131          (d) "Minor" means any person less than 18 years old.
132          (e) "Public school" means:
133          (i) a district school;
134          (ii) a charter school; or




135          (iii) the Utah Schools for the Deaf and the Blind.
136          (f) (i) "School setting" means, for a public school:
137          (A) in a classroom;
138          (B) in a school library; or
139          © on school property.
140          (ii) "School setting" includes the following activities that an organization or individual
141     or organization outside of a public school conducts, if a public school or an LEA sponsors or
142     requires the activity:
143          (A) an assembly;
144          (B) a guest lecture;
145          © a live presentation; or
146          (D) an event.
147          (g) (i) "Sensitive material" means an instructional material that is pornographic or
148     indecent material as that term is defined in Section [url=http://le.utah.gov/UtahCode/SectionLookup.jsp?section=76-10-1235&session=2022GS]76-10-1235.
149          (ii) "Sensitive material" does not include an instructional material:
150          (A) that an LEA selects under Section [url=http://le.utah.gov/UtahCode/SectionLookup.jsp?section=53g-10-402&session=2022GS][/url]53G-10-402;
151          (B) for medical courses;
152          © for family and consumer science courses; or
153          (D) for another course the state board exempts in state board rule.
154          (2) (a) Sensitive materials are prohibited in the school setting.
155          (b) A public school may not:
156          (i) adopt, use, distribute, provide a student access to, or maintain in the school setting,
157     sensitive materials; or
158          (ii) permit a speaker or presenter in the school setting to display or distribute sensitive
159     materials.
160          (3) An LEA shall include parents who are reflective of the members of the school's
161     community when determining if an instructional material is sensitive material.




162          (4) The state board shall:
163          (a) in consultation with the Office of the Attorney General, provide guidance and
164     training to support public schools in identifying instructional materials that meet the definition
165     of sensitive materials under this section; and
166          (b) report to the Education Interim Committee and the Government Operations Interim
167     Committee, at or before the November 2022 interim meeting, on implementation and
168     compliance with this section, including:
169          (i) any policy the state board or an LEA adopts to implement or comply with this
170     section;
171          (ii) any rule the state board makes to implement or comply with this section; and
172          (iii) any complaints an LEA or the state board receives regarding a violation of this
173     section, including:
174          (A) action taken in response to a complaint described in this Subsection (4)(b)(iii); and
175          (B) if an LEA retains an instructional material for which the LEA or the state board
176     receives a complaint, the LEA's rationale for retaining the instructional material.


The bible is not being used for instructions as within this law so it is fair game to have pulled and examined.

Of course it will pass and be put back because...religion.  But it's still pretty filthy and violent.
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(03-27-2023, 05:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: Another thing to remember is that the dictionary "definition" doesn't affect the legality of it.


https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1551#:~:text=pornography,all%20types%20of%20sexual%20intercourse.


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But again this is moot because of [url=https://le.utah.gov/~2022/bills/static/HB0374.html]the law
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The bible is not being used for instructions as within this law so it is fair game to have pulled and examined.

Of course it will pass and be put back because...religion.  But it's still pretty filthy and violent.

Let's call a spade a spade and admit the Bible being "porn" is a response to the conservative drive to declare anything they want to regulate or ban as "porn" themselves.  But sure, in theory liberals focusing on specific filthy aspects of the Bible is as valid as conservatives placing one line from Leviticus above damn near 9 of the 10 commandments, nay?

"America First" and "protect the children" are dogwhistles that have been used for centuries to do all sorts of fake-good from giving people an excuse to ignore Hitler to demonizing the prospects of giving women the right to vote.  Alas, in this country we are free to live and learn nothing.
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(03-27-2023, 05:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: Another thing to remember is that the dictionary "definition" doesn't affect the legality of it.


https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1551#:~:text=pornography,all%20types%20of%20sexual%20intercourse.


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But again this is moot because of [url=https://le.utah.gov/~2022/bills/static/HB0374.html]the law
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The bible is not being used for instructions as within this law so it is fair game to have pulled and examined.

Of course it will pass and be put back because...religion.  But it's still pretty filthy and violent.

Oh..ya for sure...my comments are purely separate from the law.  
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The Bible is the most easily found book for anyone who wants to read it. It doesn't need to take up space in a public school library.
I have the Heart of a Lion! I also have a massive fine and a lifetime ban from the Pittsburgh Zoo...

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