A mathematician may have uncovered widespread election fraud...

[GMDino]

...and Kansas is trying to silence her.

http://americablog.com/2015/08/mathematician-actual-voter-fraud-kansas-republicans.html

Quote:Kansas loves them some voter fraud hysteria. From going to the Supreme Court to try and make doubly-sure that non-citizens can’t vote in their elections to setting up a voter fraud website where citizens can report every kind of voter fraud except the kinds that have actually happened in the state, Kansas is on the forefront of voter fraud readiness and protection.

Except, perhaps, when it comes to the machines they use to record their votes.

According to the Wichita Eagle, Wichita State mathematician Beth Clarkson has found irregularities in election returns from Sedgwick County, along with other counties throughout the United States, but has faced stiff opposition from the state in trying to confirm whether the irregularities are fraud or other, less-nefarious anomalies.

Analyzing election returns at a precinct level, Clarkson found that candidate support was correlated, to a statistically significant degree, with the size of the precinct. In Republican primaries, the bias has been toward the establishment candidates over tea partiers. In general elections, it has favored Republican candidates over Democrats, even when the demographics of the precincts in question suggested that the opposite should have been true.

Clarkson’s interest in election returns was piqued by a 2012 paper released by analysts Francois Choquette and James Johnson showing the same pattern of election returns, which favor establishment Republican candidates in primaries and general elections. The irregularities are isolated to precincts that use “Central Tabulator” voting machines — machines that have previously been shown to be vulnerable to hacking. The effects are significant and widespread: According to their analysis, Mitt Romney could have received over a million extra votes in the 2012 Republican primary, mostly coming at the expense of Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. President Obama also ceded significant votes to John McCain due to this irregularity, as well.

You can read the paper in full here.

Voting machine, via Wikimedia Commons
Voting machine, via Wikimedia Commons
While Clarkson has found the same statistical irregularity in a number of localities, her efforts to confirm whether they amount to fraud have been centered on Sedgwick County, Kansas, due to the locality’s use of Real Time Voting Machine Paper Tapes, which provide a paper trail that other localities don’t have. However, her efforts to verify Sedgwick County’s election returns have been repeatedly shut down.

She first requested a recount of the 2013 election, but the timeframe in which a recount could have been requested had passed. She then requested the machines’ computer records from the Sedgwick County registrar, which told her to kindly shove off and sue Secretary of State Kris Kobach if she wanted the records so badly.

When Clarkson initially filed her lawsuit requesting the paper records from the voting machines, her suit was denied because a judge ruled that the paper records constituted ballots, shielding them from the state’s open records law. This ruling is suspect at best, given that the paper records do not have voters’ names assigned to them; they only record when and how a ballot was cast for recount purposes.

She then sought a court order giving her access to a sample of voting records in order to check voting machines’ error rates. This order was ignored by the Secretary of State’s office, despite their being legally required to respond to her within 30 days. The office later said that they didn’t realize they had received her request.

Given Kansas’s professed diehard commitment to combatting election fraud, one would think that they would be all for analysis into whether the integrity of their elections have been compromised. Apparently you’d be wrong.

(h/t Occupy Democrats)

Correction: The original title of this post referred to the bias in election returns as “voter fraud.” As the allegation of fraud is not against individual voters, but rather administrators of elections, “election fraud” is correct. This change has been made where appropriate.

[Rotobeast]

(08-30-2015, 04:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: ...and Kansas is trying to silence her.

http://americablog.com/2015/08/mathematician-actual-voter-fraud-kansas-republicans.html

With that story and the likes of this one....

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/221825/atty-general-holder-wont-charge-woman-who-voted-daniel-greenfield

it's no wonder voters become disheartened.

[GMDino]

(08-30-2015, 08:36 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: With that story and the likes of this one....

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/221825/atty-general-holder-wont-charge-woman-who-voted-daniel-greenfield

it's no wonder voters become disheartened.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/

Quote: Calling her a common criminal who abused her authority as a poll worker, a judge Wednesday sent a Cincinnati woman to prison for five years following her illegal voting conviction.


In a case watched around the country, Melowese Richardson was a Hamilton County poll worker from 1998 until her arrest earlier this year when she was charged with eight counts of illegal voting. In May, she accepted a plea deal and was convicted of four counts in exchange for the other four being dismissed.

"This is not a little thing. It's not a minor thing. This is what our country's based on — free elections," Judge Robert Ruehlman of Hamilton CountyCommon Pleas Court told Richardson, chastizing her for violating the principle of one person, one vote.

She was convicted of voting twice in the 2012 election and voting three times — in 2008, 2011 and 2012 — for her sister, Montez Richardson, who has been in a coma since 2003.

[jakefromstatefarm]

Maybe if we had a voter ID system without people crying about poll taxes and disenfranchising minorities we could stop this stuff from happening.

[GMDino]

(08-30-2015, 09:58 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: Maybe if we had a voter ID system without people crying about poll taxes and disenfranchising minorities we could stop this stuff from happening.

So the people in power would stop rigging the voting machines and results if we would allow them to make rules that would keep people from voting?

[StLucieBengal]

Only real solution is showing a photo ID at the polls. And make election fraud punishment severe. Make it a felony so they lose their voting righs of they are involved with fraud.

Everyone associated with ACORN for example shouldn't be allowed to vote or particoate in any function of "getting out the vote"

[StLucieBengal]

(08-31-2015, 08:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: So the people in power would stop rigging the voting machines and results if we would allow them to make rules that would keep people from voting?

The progressives are the ones rigging things.   That's your crew.  You should be happy.  

[GMDino]

(08-31-2015, 09:39 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The progressives are the ones rigging things.   That's your crew.  You should be happy.  

Progressive is anyone you don't agree with whether they are progressive or not.  Just has libertarianrtian is anyone you DO agree with whether they are libertarian or not.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-31-2015, 09:41 AM)GMDino Wrote: Progressive is anyone you don't agree with whether they are progressive or not.  Just has libertarianrtian is anyone you DO agree with whether they are libertarian or not.

I don't agree with all libertarians. I disagree on quite a few of their stances. And you are correct I don't agree with 99.9% progressives.

I don't like perpetual war, don't like big gov, don't like over regulation, don't like the tax system.

Libertarians was no tax system. I would be ok with a flat tax. Which interestingly enough is a communist idea.

[Belsnickel]

(08-31-2015, 09:47 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Libertarians was no tax system. I would be ok with a flat tax. Which interestingly enough is a communist idea.

Flat tax or no tax? No tax is a Communist ideal because in the true Communist system there is no government.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-31-2015, 12:33 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Flat tax or no tax? No tax is a Communist ideal because in the true Communist system there is no government.

Well we all know there is no fantasy land countries. Where everyone just shares like a hippie commune.

So let's just not confuse anyone. If I mean fantasy land i will address it as such.

[Belsnickel]

(08-31-2015, 01:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Well we all know there is no fantasy land countries. Where everyone just shares like a hippie commune.

So let's just not confuse anyone. If I mean fantasy land i will address it as such.

You sure about that? Some of the things I see brought up around here I often wonder about the altered states of reality some people are experiencing.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-31-2015, 02:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You sure about that? Some of the things I see brought up around here I often wonder about the altered states of reality some people are experiencing.

Yeah a world where money doesn't matter, things do not matter, status does not matter.    We all wear the same clothes.... We all eat the same food.    We all live in the same type of house.    

This would never work because it's against human nature and against our animal instinct.  

Maybe in a small setting.   But not a large one or even a moderately sized one.

And your right about some weird stuff brought up. progressives always find something to take away from us.

[Belsnickel]

(08-31-2015, 02:36 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yeah a world where money doesn't matter, things do not matter, status does not matter.    We all wear the same clothes.... We all eat the same food.    We all live in the same type of house.    

This would never work because it's against human nature and against our animal instinct.  

Maybe in a small setting.   But not a large one or even a moderately sized one.

And your right about some weird stuff brought up. progressives always find something to take away from us.

Wasn't saying "you sure about that" in regards to the it never working, was saying that about the fantasy land bit. Bot the right and the left seem to have a difficult time grasping reality as far as what will actually work. And neither are willing to compromise, even though the sweet spot is usually somewhere in the middle.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-31-2015, 02:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Wasn't saying "you sure about that" in regards to the it never working, was saying that about the fantasy land bit. Bot the right and the left seem to have a difficult time grasping reality as far as what will actually work. And neither are willing to compromise, even though the sweet spot is usually somewhere in the middle.

I wish we allowed states to choose how they want to live. That way if Progressive states like California, Washington, and New York want to take care of their poor from cradle to grave then so be it. Then allow us in our states to decide if we want to just say. Your on your own.

Federal government can just defend us .

Now would that put more poor migrating to those states . Possibly. But that's exactly what's happening with immigration today. So why is it ok with immigration but not ok I'm my example?

[SteelCitySouth]

(09-02-2015, 01:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I wish we allowed states to choose how they want to live.   That way if Progressive states like California, Washington, and New York want to take care of their poor from cradle to grave then so be it.   Then allow us in our states to decide if we want to just say.   Your on your own.  

Federal government can just defend us .  

Now would that put more poor migrating to those states .  Possibly.   But that's exactly what's happening with immigration today.     So why is it ok with immigration but not ok I'm my example?

No see...We could do it your way but our state would then need erect a wall and checkpoints and then create our own immigration system.  Because your state would simply become Mexico.  

Anyway, I'm not sure why we haven't created stricter laws about Floridians leaving their state.

[fredtoast]

(08-31-2015, 08:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: So the people in power would stop rigging the voting machines and results if we would allow them to make rules that would keep people from voting?

You'll have to excuse Jake.  He lives in an echo chamber where his every response is pre-programmed to be a knee-jerk, right-wing speaking point.

"All fraud in voter registration can be prevented by requiring a photo ID when voting."

"All fraud committed by the people running the election can be prevented by requiring a photo ID when voting."


Jake is very well trained.