Abortion for undocumented teen? Pro-life gov official thinks not

[Dill]

Has anyone been following this developing story? Pretty creepy that one guy gets to keep a 17-year-old undocumented immigrant, whom the law has placed in his custody, from having an abortion.

Federal judge rules pregnant, undocumented teen in Texas has right to abortion access
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/10/18/judge-abortion-access-pregnant-undocumented-teenager-texas/

Federal appeals court blocks undocumented teen's request for immediate abortion
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/10/20/pregnant-undocumented-immigrant-abortion-friday/

An undocumented teen is pregnant and in custody. Can the U.S. stop her from getting an abortion?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/an-undocumented-teen-is-pregnant-and-in-custody-can-the-us-stop-her-from-getting-an-abortion/2017/10/17/6b548cda-b34b-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.239ca1f9b023

The American Civil Liberties Union is accusing the Trump administration of illegally blocking a 17-year-old Central American immigrant from having an abortion and will urge a federal judge in Washington on Wednesday to clear the way for her and other young immigrants to terminate their pregnancies....

On Tuesday, an HHS official said Scott Lloyd, who directs the agency’s Office of Refugee Resettlement, had personally intervened to try to persuade unaccompanied minor girls not to have abortions. The official, who was authorized to comment only as an unnamed spokesman, declined to say whether those girls were blocked from getting the procedure or to comment on Jane Doe’s case.

“When there’s a child in the program who is pregnant, he has been reaching out to her and trying to help as much as possible with life-affirming options,” the spokesman said. “He by law has custody of these children, and just like a foster parent, he knows that that’s a lot of responsibility and he is going to make choices that he thinks are best for both the mother and the child.”

[*bfine32*]

Isn't the cliff notes of this that the teen should not have to follow the State laws because she is not a citizen?

[Dill]

(10-23-2017, 10:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Isn't the cliff notes of this that the teen should not have to follow the State laws because she is not a citizen?

State laws??

[Vlad]

So a conservative stands by his principles even if it means another illegal is added to the population?
Can't fault him for that.

You should have no qualms as well...the more illegals the merrier!

[GMDino]

(10-24-2017, 10:34 AM)Vlad Wrote: So a conservative stands by his principles even if it means another illegal is added to the population?
Can't fault him for that.

You should have no qualms as well...the more illegals the merrier!

Won't her child be a US citizens since it was born here?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-24-2017, 10:34 AM)Vlad Wrote: So a conservative stands by his principles even if it means another illegal is added to the population?
Can't fault him for that.

You should have no qualms as well...the more illegals the merrier!

Remember when you plagiarized this . . .

Quote:8) You have the option of sending your kids to a liberal school, watching liberal news, and then enjoying liberal TV shows so that your insular liberal world never has to be shaken by actual conservatives explaining their ideas.

How is it we know a conservative is standing by his principles if conservatives never get to explain their ideas?

More liberal privilege?

[*bfine32*]

(10-24-2017, 02:32 AM)Dill Wrote: State laws??

Article 10 U.S. Constitution

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Belsnickel]

(10-24-2017, 02:32 AM)Dill Wrote: State laws??

Texas requires parent/legal guardian permission for an unmarried minor to get an abortion.

[Dill]

(10-24-2017, 02:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Article 10 U.S. Constitution

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Article VI U.S. Constitution

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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Roe vs Wade   =  violation of Jane Doe's rights by the person charged with her custody.

As Vlad calls it, a conservative "standing by his principles" uses his appointed position to decide for the girl, regardless of her Constitutionally guaranteed rights. That is the cliff notes version of this issue.

[Dill]

(10-24-2017, 03:11 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Texas requires parent/legal guardian permission for an unmarried minor to get an abortion.

Under normal circumstances, the Supremacy Clause would likely trump this.

If this winds up in the current Supreme Court, what are the chances we may see Roe vs Wade thrown out?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

I guess my thought would be more along the lines of... aren't we worrying about the wrong question?

She's an undocumented immigrant (aka illegal immigrant). The authorities obviously know who/where she is and that she's undocumented due to this whole case. So why not just send her back to where she came from and let that country decide about her abortion rights?

[GMDino]

(10-24-2017, 07:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I guess my thought would be more along the lines of... aren't we worrying about the wrong question?

She's an undocumented immigrant (aka illegal immigrant). The authorities obviously know who/where she is and that she's undocumented due to this whole case. So why not just send her back to where she came from and let that country decide about her abortion rights?

And who is the father? 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-24-2017, 08:24 PM)GMDino Wrote: And who is the father? 

Why does it matter if she wants an abortion? Does an aborted US baby make her any less illegal than an aborted foreign baby?

[GMDino]

(10-24-2017, 09:07 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Why does it matter if she wants an abortion? Does an aborted US baby make her any less illegal than an aborted foreign baby?

Well, she's a minor.  So there could be a statutory rape charge for one.

And assuming she is denied the abortion the child will be a US citizen...

[*bfine32*]

(10-24-2017, 06:55 PM)Dill Wrote: Article VI U.S. Constitution

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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Roe vs Wade   =  violation of Jane Doe's rights by the person charged with her custody.

As Vlad calls it, a conservative "standing by his principles" uses his appointed position to decide for the girl, regardless of her Constitutionally guaranteed rights.   That is the cliff notes version of this issue.

Not sure of the point of this post. It is Texas State Law that a minor requires parental consent for an abortion and the 10th covers state rights. So I ask again:

Isn't the cliff notes of this that the teen should not have to follow the State laws because she is not a citizen?

If yes, say yes, if no say no. If no is the answer please explain the issue without saying "it's creepy" and posting a bunch of words. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-24-2017, 09:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well, she's a minor.  So there could be a statutory rape charge for one.

And assuming she is denied the abortion the child will be a US citizen...

That's separate from the question on if you have an illegal immigrant standing right there, proclaiming they're an illegal immigrant... why haven't they be sent away?

There could be a charge, or it could just be another minor. Or it could be another illegal immigrant. The child will only be a US citizen if it's born on US soil, which if they send the admitted illegal immigrant away as the law is supposed to work. The child won't be a US citizen in that case unless a father, who is a US citizen themselves, steps up and claims it as well as being not old enough for it to be a crime.

Of course that's all off the basis of IF she doesn't get the abortion that she wants, so it's still a null point until 30 weeks pass. Until then it's still a question of why they're arguing over this in courts when the answer is staring us right in the face. Send her away and let her country decide.

[*bfine32*]

(10-24-2017, 09:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's separate from the question on if you have an illegal immigrant standing right there, proclaiming they're an illegal immigrant... why haven't they be sent away?

There could be a charge, or it could just be another minor. Or it could be another illegal immigrant. The child will only be a US citizen if it's born on US soil, which if they send the admitted illegal immigrant away as the law is supposed to work. The child won't be a US citizen in that case unless a father, who is a US citizen themselves, steps up and claims it as well as being not old enough for it to be a crime.

Of course that's all off the basis of IF she doesn't get the abortion that she wants, so it's still a null point until 30 weeks pass. Until then it's still a question of why they're arguing over this in courts when the answer is staring us right in the face. Send her away and let her country decide.

I would love to see the liberal's heads explode on this one:

Under age girl wants an abortion without parental consent as is the Texas Law

ICE decides to rightly deport the illegal immigrant

US citizen father steps forward and claims he wants to keep the child  and petitions to allow the girl to remain in the states until the birth

[GMDino]

(10-24-2017, 09:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's separate from the question 

Could have ended with the bold where you are correct.

I am curious under what circumstances a 17 year old illegal became pregnant.  That information might influence her decision to have an abortion.

The rest, as you say, is separate.

[GMDino]

(10-24-2017, 09:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would love to see the liberal's heads explode on this one:

Under age girl wants an abortion without parental consent as is the Texas Law

ICE decides to rightly deport the illegal immigrant

US citizen father steps forward and claims he wants to keep the child  and petitions to allow the girl to remain in the states until the birth

Nothing like playing with the life of a 17 year old girl to make a conservative dance with glee.

Especially when they can include illegals, denying abortion and forcing a child to have a child and letting the man make all the decisions.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Is this the story of a pregnant illegal who came to the United States illegally then demanded an abortion and the the United States tax payer has to pay for it?

As to anything else, the law of the land says abortion is illegal after 20 weeks. 

How far along is she?
She is in Texas and has a legal guardian, that guardian gets to say what she can and can not do.

Look, I know the left creams themselves thinking and fantasizing about abortions, they cant help themselves thinking about dead minority babies being ripped apart, but the law says the guardian gets the last word and that guardian say "NO!". Not everyone on the left thinks like this though but I do wonder how many on this board has a chubby right now thinking about abortion?