Admit you voted for Biden

[*ochocincos*]

(06-20-2022, 04:04 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: really? you don't think it's worth passing up on some things you may want to own a home? working an extra job? saying people don't need to make any sacrifices is part of the problem. things don't always come easy and shouldn't of they're important enough.

you do those things, make some sacrifices along the way, be smart with your money and guess what, you'll eventually own a home. the sacrifices will pay off. don't know why the idea of working hard and doing what it takes turns people off but that's not my problem.

Why do things have to continue to be a struggle?
Isn't the point of technological advancements to improve on the quality of life?
Why do you want everyone to go through the same struggles you did?

[basballguy]

(06-20-2022, 04:04 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: really? you don't think it's worth passing up on some things you may want to own a home? working an extra job? saying people don't need to make any sacrifices is part of the problem. things don't always come easy and shouldn't of they're important enough.

you do those things, make some sacrifices along the way, be smart with your money and guess what, you'll eventually own a home. the sacrifices will pay off. don't know why the idea of working hard and doing what it takes turns people off but that's not my problem.

You're completely missing the mark.  I'm not sure if i can explain this in a way that you'll understand but I'll try.  

Almost everything we do in society is based on what we do with one job.  Govt programs, tax laws, business hours of operation....our entire society operates on the assumption that most people (about 95%) work one job 40 hours/week.  

Telling someone they cannot afford a home unless they work a second job is unfair.

Even at the minimum wage level.....in theory, you should be able to afford a home with one job, right location, and the appropriate government assistance that's already available.  Does it happen often?  I honestly can't say but I'm sure it happens enough.  Keeping in mind only a fraction of the population that makes minimum wage is even old enough to get a home loan to purchase one.  (If they wanted to borrow)

If they want to own a better home or own a nicer home, or one in a better location, or own one faster...  Sure they can make those "sacrifices" and "struggles" you're touting.  


 

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 04:36 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Why do things have to continue to be a struggle?
Isn't the point of technological advancements to improve on the quality of life?
Why do you want everyone to go through the same struggles you did?

you work your butt off and deal with the struggles now so you can get to a place where you don't have to later.

i'm not struggling these days because i was willing to sacrifice in the earlier days. it's not that i necessarily wish anyone to struggle, but we shouldn't make things easy just for the sake of being easy. you get character and fortitude with struggle and sacrifice. i think those things are important and can't be gotten the same if everything's easy.

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 04:40 PM)basballguy Wrote: You're completely missing the mark.  I'm not sure if i can explain this in a way that you'll understand but I'll try.  

Almost everything we do in society is based on what we do with one job.  Govt programs, tax laws, business hours of operation....our entire society operates on the assumption that most people (about 95%) work one job 40 hours/week.  

Telling someone they cannot afford a home unless they work a second job is unfair.

Even at the minimum wage level.....in theory, you should be able to afford a home with one job, right location, and the appropriate government assistance that's already available.  Does it happen often?  I honestly can't say but I'm sure it happens enough.  Keeping in mind only a fraction of the population that makes minimum wage is even old enough to get a home loan to purchase one.  (If they wanted to borrow)

If they want to own a better home or own a nicer home, or one in a better location, or own one faster...  Sure they can make those "sacrifices" and "struggles" you're touting.  


 

thinking like this is why this country has gotten so soft and is falling so far behind. seriously buddy, go back to the 40s and 50s and tell them your thoughts and see what they would think. 

[basballguy]

(06-20-2022, 05:28 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: thinking like this is why this country has gotten so soft and is falling so far behind. seriously buddy, go back to the 40s and 50s and tell them your thoughts and see what they would think. 

LOL

Are you longing for the days when segregation was cool, smoking was healthy, and half the population was only making minimum wage?  

Edit: You strike me a person that formed a point of view 50 years ago and haven't budged from it since. I don't think you even understand what the GOP represents...it's certainly not your sadistic point of view.

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2022, 05:45 PM)basballguy Wrote: LOL

Are you longing for the days when segregation was cool, smoking was healthy, and half the population was only making minimum wage?  

Edit:  You strike me a person that formed a point of view 50 years ago and haven't budged from it since.  I don't think you even understand what the GOP represents...it's certainly not your sadistic point of view.

I don't understand why neo-cons would hold the 40s and 50s in such high regard, seeing as most of it took place during a 20 year span of democrat-if-not-damn-near-socialist terms of FDR and Harry Truman.

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 05:45 PM)basballguy Wrote: LOL

Are you longing for the days when segregation was cool, smoking was healthy, and half the population was only making minimum wage?  

Edit:  You strike me a person that formed a point of view 50 years ago and haven't budged from it since.  I don't think you even understand what the GOP represents...it's certainly not your sadistic point of view.

please don't attempt to tell me what the current gop represents. i am what the current gop is, the trump gop. the make amerca great again gop. the diehard base they will put trump back in office gop. any other faction of the gop is just a dying breed desperately trying to cling to the little bit of power it has left. they're rinos, neo-cons and lincoln project anti-trumpers. 

of course their was bad things in the 40s and 50s. theres bad things in every era. back then though, people were harder working, more faithful, more family oriented, didn't have the same sense of entitlement and much more god fearing.

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 06:22 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I don't understand why neo-cons would hold the 40s and 50s in such high regard, seeing as most of it took place during a 20 year span of democrat-if-not-damn-near-socialist terms of FDR and Harry Truman.

trump republicans aren't neo-cons. you're confusing the old republican party which is dying off with the new republican party headed by trump, desantis, abbott and others.

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2022, 06:31 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: please don't attempt to tell me what the current gop represents. i am what the current gop is, the trump gop. the make amerca great again gop. the diehard base they will put trump back in office gop. any other faction of the gop is just a dying breed desperately trying to cling to the little bit of power it has left. they're rinos, neo-cons and lincoln project anti-trumpers. 

of course their was bad things in the 40s and 50s. theres bad things in every era. back then though, people were harder working, more faithful, more family oriented, didn't have the same sense of entitlement and much more god fearing.

I do have to say your mindset intrigues.  You're talking about times that were 70+ years ago, so unless you are 90 years of age you were either a kid in the 40/50s or you are vouching for times for which you weren't even present.  It's interesting how conservatives went from gushing about the Reagan era to going so far back that the good ol days were the ones where they didn't even exist.

It's just a bit odd to pine for days before you existed.  Nostalgia is getting extra wacky.  I guess it's sort of like the Amish who seem to be convinced that the 1700's were just the greatest.

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2022, 06:33 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: trump republicans aren't neo-cons. you're confusing the old republican party which is dying off with the new republican party headed by trump, desantis, abbott and others.

So they're new conservatives but they aren't neo-conservatives?

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2022, 06:31 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: please don't attempt to tell me what the current gop represents. i am what the current gop is, the trump gop. the make amerca great again gop. the diehard base they will put trump back in office gop. any other faction of the gop is just a dying breed desperately trying to cling to the little bit of power it has left. they're rinos, neo-cons and lincoln project anti-trumpers. 

of course their was bad things in the 40s and 50s. theres bad things in every era. back then though, people were harder working, more faithful, more family oriented, didn't have the same sense of entitlement and much more god fearing.

Not many folks willing to admit they're actively insane. Good on you.

[*ochocincos*]

(06-20-2022, 05:25 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: you work your butt off and deal with the struggles now so you can get to a place where you don't have to later.

i'm not struggling these days because i was willing to sacrifice in the earlier days. it's not that i necessarily wish anyone to struggle, but we shouldn't make things easy just for the sake of being easy. you get character and fortitude with struggle and sacrifice. i think those things are important and can't be gotten the same if everything's easy.

I'll use "sacrifice" instead of "struggle."
How long should one realistically have to "sacrifice" for?

I think "sacrifice" should only have to be a matter of months, not years.
Life is too short to have to sacrifice for years.

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 06:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I do have to say your mindset intrigues.  You're talking about times that were 70+ years ago, so unless you are 90 years of age you were either a kid in the 40/50s or you are vouching for times for which you weren't even present.  It's interesting how conservatives went from gushing about the Reagan era to going so far back that the good ol days were the ones where they didn't even exist.

It's just a bit odd to pine for days before you existed.  Nostalgia is getting extra wacky.  I guess it's sort of like the Amish who seem to be convinced that the 1700's were just the greatest.

i wasn't alive then but my grandfather and father were. my uncles were. they all worked in the mines. most had second jobs. they all worked there fingers bloody, broke there backs and suffered medical conditions. they also managed to sacrifice and end up owning there own homes, pieces of land, stay faithful to their wives, raise their children with good morals, keep god in their hearts and be responsible, law abiding citizens that were responsible for their own lives and didn't get anything easy handed to them.

did that era have it's problems. yes. but it also had a lot of good lessons and ways of life that i think we've lost along the way.

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 06:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'll use "sacrifice" instead of "struggle."
How long should one realistically have to "sacrifice" for?

I think "sacrifice" should only have to be a matter of months, not years.
Life is too short to have to sacrifice for years.

i agree it shouldn't be forever, but the person is also responsible for a big part of how long it will be. the harder you work, the more you save, the better you manage money and avoid things you don't absolutely need, the faster you can be self dependant and be able to enjoy life more.

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2022, 07:00 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: i wasn't alive then but my grandfather and father were. my uncles were. they all worked in the mines. most had second jobs. they all worked there fingers bloody, broke there backs and suffered medical conditions. they also managed to sacrifice and end up owning there own homes, pieces of land, stay faithful to their wives, raise their children with good morals, keep god in their hearts and be responsible, law abiding citizens that were responsible for their own lives and didn't get anything easy handed to them.

did that era have it's problems. yes. but it also had a lot of good lessons and ways of life that i think we've lost along the way.

You simply have to be trolling to romanticize this working class hero stuff while simultaneously admiring a man who is the opposite of that, plus cheated on multiple wives.  The fact that you needlessly mentioned a specific admiration for marital fidelity makes me think you're just trying to troll.

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 07:13 PM)Nately120 Wrote: You simply have to be trolling to romanticize this working class hero stuff while simultaneously admiring a man who is the opposite of that, plus cheated on multiple wives.  The fact that you needlessly mentioned a specific admiration for marital fidelity makes me think you're just trying to troll.

this is where you're missing the point. it's about the things trump will do and allow to be changed that it important, more than trump himself. there are many trump supporters that believe in the goal, but don't aren't crazy about the man delivering the goal.

trump is a sinner like all of us, but god has chosen him for a reason. he's the sinner god has chosen to work through. you can bash him and mock him all you want, but we're all sinners, no different than him. it's the end goals that matter most.

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-20-2022, 07:19 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: this is where you're missing the point. it's about the things trump will do and allow to be changed that it important, more than trump himself. there are many trump supporters that believe in the goal, but don't aren't crazy about the man delivering the goal.

trump is a sinner like all of us, but god has chosen him for a reason. he's the sinner god has chosen to work through. you can bash him and mock him all you want, but we're all sinners, no different than him. it's the end goals that matter most.

wow

so god chose trump?

i did not know this

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2022, 07:19 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: this is where you're missing the point. it's about the things trump will do and allow to be changed that it important, more than trump himself. there are many trump supporters that believe in the goal, but don't aren't crazy about the man delivering the goal.

trump is a sinner like all of us, but god has chosen him for a reason. he's the sinner god has chosen to work through. you can bash him and mock him all you want, but we're all sinners, no different than him. it's the end goals that matter most.

I suggest you have more faith that God can work through Joe Biden. 

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 07:37 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I suggest you have more faith that God can work through Joe Biden. 

god doesn't work through perfect vessels because there aren't any. i understand you didn't choose trump, but you're not god. sometimes you need to accept that someone knows better than you and humble yourself to the bigger picture.

plus, joe biden is a catholic, a heretic, a tool of darkness. that's in direct opposition to god.

really, because god if the foundation of all knowledge, you can't come to any conclusions unless you start with god and work from there. if you do that, it will lead you to trump. the answers will be provided for you.

[Leon]

(06-20-2022, 07:22 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: wow

so god chose trump?

i did not know this

you can't really know anything unless you start with god as your foundation of learning and understanding.