Are Republicans under estimating Joe Biden

[StoneTheCrow]

(06-26-2023, 08:50 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Assuming it's a Biden/Harris ticket, I really hope Republicans can put up a relatively moderate candidate. Or at least one that distances themself from T and the Maga crowds (better odds of me winning lottery I know). But the main reason for this is that Kamala Harris would be a 82 year old heartbeat away on inauguration day, and that's scary af.

“Never underestimate the GOP’s ability to **** things up.” -Obama

[NUGDUKWE]

(06-26-2023, 06:57 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: That is simply not true. The laptop was verified in 2019 as authentic, it is liberal lie it was not verified.

Use your common sense, why would it take 5 years and still no verification of the HB laptop? I know the FBI is no longer an elite organization, but a novice could verify that laptop within 30 days. It is the whistleblowers who were told by the FBI the laptop was verified in 2019. It was the FBI who allowed Joe Biden to lie at a debate weeks prior to the election. Why????????????????

As far as I've heard the data on the laptop is what hasn't been verified. I don't care if the presidents son goes to jail or gets into trouble. Use your common sense who does it benefit more to keep the laptop in obscurity? I think it helps the right so they keep with they're never ending Internet garbage.

[GMDino]

(06-26-2023, 08:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: You live here.  You know how he won.  He appealed to the worst of the worst who hated that we had a black president and believed Hillary ran that child abuse ring in the basement of a pizza place...that didn't have a basement.  (1/2 joking)

They are still trying to portray Obama as anti-American because of his heritage.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watters: This is a guy whose father has roots in Africa. This is a guy who spent a lot of his childhood in southeast Asia. Spent a lot of time in Hawaii. Was that the last state to get a star on the flag? He's never really looking at things from an American perspective. <a href="https://t.co/OqjtVFQyaN">pic.twitter.com/OqjtVFQyaN</a></p>&mdash; Acyn (@Acyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1673445495694405632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2023</a></blockquote> 

[Luvnit2]

(06-26-2023, 10:21 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: As far as I've heard the data on the laptop is what hasn't been verified. I don't care if the presidents son goes to jail or gets into trouble. Use your common sense who does it benefit more to keep the laptop in obscurity? I think it helps the right so they keep with they're never ending Internet garbage.

The GOP Congress has the hard drive from the laptop. Again, the whistleblower's got verification from 2 FBI agents it was Hunter's laptop and FBI verified it 2019.

I know people love to blame Russians for everything, but seriously have you seen the photos from that laptop? 

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-26-2023, 11:06 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The GOP Congress has the hard drive from the laptop. Again, the whistleblower's got verification from 2 FBI agents it was Hunter's laptop and FBI verified it 2019.

I know people love to blame Russians for everything, but seriously have you seen the photos from that laptop? 

Interesting. So the FBI knew it was Hunters in 2019 and the whole Hunter Biden Laptop Story broke just before the election, late in 2020...?

I am starting to get it.

I often think of Hunter as the Democrat version of W Bush. Only I like to think Democrats know better than to elect the jackass son.

[*pally*]

(06-26-2023, 11:06 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The GOP Congress has the hard drive from the laptop. Again, the whistleblower's got verification from 2 FBI agents it was Hunter's laptop and FBI verified it 2019.

I know people love to blame Russians for everything, but seriously have you seen the photos from that laptop? 

Ok, let’s assume Hunter Biden is a mafia don, scum of the earth. You still have to independently connect each and every comment about Joe to Joe knowingly and willingly participating in something illegal.

-it’s not illegal to do business with China. Joe was a private citizen in 2017.
-Hunter saying Joe was “sitting right next to him” doesn’t mean Joe actually was
-threatening to come after them if money wasn’t paid isn’t illegal in and of itself. It has to be connected to an illegal act for it to be chargeable.
-Burisma can hire whomever they want. Even if their intention was to use Hunter to get to Joe doesn’t mean they succeeded. Again, even if they successfully met Joe that doesn’t tie Joe to illegal acts
-Hunter is a known, in recovery, drug addict. Photos of him using aren’t particularly shocking. If used in court, they might actually give credence to a claim by Hunter that he wasn’t in control of his own actions and wasn’t aware that he may have broken the law
-taking photos of your own naked body isn’t illegal
-possessing adult pornography isn’t illegal

I know you want this laptop to take down the Biden “crime” family. But it has a chain of custody issues which makes entering into evidence problematic.

If any prosecutor has admissible evidence of Hunter breaking the law, throw the book at him. Put him in jail for life. No one cares about Hunter Biden. If there is actual evidence of Joe participating in illegal actions throw the book at him. But wishing and hoping for a conviction isn’t admissible in a court or even a Congress.
Plenty of people have avoided conviction or jail time due to a paucity of admissible evidence.

Stop with the same old crap…factually and with evidence make the connection between Joe and any crime. You, people, aren’t even close yet.

And Comer and Jordan aren’t helping Republicans make their case either.

[Luvnit2]

(06-27-2023, 09:35 AM)pally Wrote: Ok, let’s assume Hunter Biden is a mafia don, scum of the earth.  You still have to independently connect each and every comment about Joe to Joe knowingly and willingly participating in something illegal.

-it’s not illegal to do business with China.  Joe was a private citizen in 2017.
-Hunter saying Joe was “sitting right next to him” doesn’t mean Joe actually was
-threatening to come after them if money wasn’t paid isn’t illegal in and of itself.  It has to be connected to an illegal act for it to be chargeable.  
-Burisma can hire whomever they want. Even if their intention was to use Hunter to get to Joe doesn’t mean they succeeded.  Again, even if they successfully met Joe that doesn’t tie Joe to illegal acts
-Hunter is a known, in recovery, drug addict. Photos of him using aren’t particularly shocking.  If used in court, they might actually give credence to a claim by Hunter that he wasn’t in control of his own actions and wasn’t aware that he may have broken the law
-taking photos of your own naked body isn’t illegal
-possessing adult pornography isn’t illegal

I know you want this laptop to take down the Biden “crime” family.  But it has a chain of custody issues which makes entering into evidence problematic.  

If any prosecutor has admissible evidence of Hunter breaking the law, throw the book at him.  Put him in jail for life. No one cares about Hunter Biden. If there is actual evidence of Joe participating in illegal actions throw the book at him.  But wishing and hoping for a conviction isn’t admissible in a court or even a Congress.
Plenty of people have avoided conviction or jail time due to a paucity of admissible evidence.  

Stop with the same old crap…factually and with evidence make the connection between Joe and any crime.  You, people, aren’t even close yet.
 
And Comer and Jordan aren’t helping Republicans make their case either.

Here lies the problem. You don't care if Joe is guilty, this should not have to be Republicans making a case. This should be our justice system. Comer and Jordan have found more in 6 months than the FBI and DOJ found in 6 years. Why? 

You seem to forget they also have found a money trail of millions of dollars going to Biden family members including his grandchildren. Why would China give Joe's grandchildren (all but the one he refuses to accept) money? Issue one is was Joe involved in any way with foreign countries and HB business dealings? 

Issue 2 should be a shared interest and not on political party lines. Is the FBI and the DOJ corrupt? Either Garland lied or Weiss lied. Weiss told 6 people (witnesses) in a meeting Garland would not allow to give him special counsel privileges. The whistleblowers said Weiss said he was denied. Garland says he gave Weiss full autonomy. But when Weiss tried to file charges in California, a US attorney (works for Biden) stopped it. They also stopped charges being filed in another state. In the end, Weiss only had the ability to charge HB for crimes in Delaware. Who lied? Weiss or Garland? Stay tuned because my guess Weiss, the US attorney and others involved will be testifying soon before Congress.

I understand why you want to silence me or anyone seeking the truth. But as I have stated, this is not going away and in my opinion the investigations have just begun into Joe's and his family involvement. But more importantly into the FBI and the DOJ who appear to have a 2 tier stand of justice. If it is Donald Trump or an ally throw everything them. If a Clinton or a Biden, delay and not use the same tactics used against Trump.

The FBI and DOJ have a huge credibility problem and it is going to get worse as Jordan and Comer expose them.

[GMDino]

(06-27-2023, 11:12 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Here lies the problem. You don't care if Joe is guilty, this should not have to be Republicans making a case. This should be our justice system. Comer and Jordan have found more in 6 months than the FBI and DOJ found in 6 years. Why? 

You seem to forget they also have found a money trail of millions of dollars going to Biden family members including his grandchildren. Why would China give Joe's grandchildren (all but the one he refuses to accept) money? Issue one is was Joe involved in any way with foreign countries and HB business dealings? 

Issue 2 should be a shared interest and not on political party lines. Is the FBI and the DOJ corrupt? Either Garland lied or Weiss lied. Weiss told 6 people (witnesses) in a meeting Garland would not allow to give him special counsel privileges. The whistleblowers said Weiss said he was denied. Garland says he gave Weiss full autonomy. But when Weiss tried to file charges in California, a US attorney (works for Biden) stopped it. They also stopped charges being filed in another state. In the end, Weiss only had the ability to charge HB for crimes in Delaware. Who lied? Weiss or Garland? Stay tuned because my guess Weiss, the US attorney and others involved will be testifying soon before Congress.

I understand why you want to silence me or anyone seeking the truth. But as I have stated, this is not going away and in my opinion the investigations have just begun into Joe's and his family involvement. But more importantly into the FBI and the DOJ who appear to have a 2 tier stand of justice. If it is Donald Trump or an ally throw everything them. If a Clinton or a Biden, delay and not use the same tactics used against Trump.

The FBI and DOJ have a huge credibility problem and it is going to get worse as Jordan and Comer expose them.

what you refuse to understand is that we don't care if Biden is guilty in the sense that if he is then charge him and prosecute him.

Jordan has made so many false, unsustainable accusations that no one will take him seriously without hard, presented facts.

What you have is a bunch of accusations and gop members whining that it wasn't looked at "enough" for their liking.

If they have some hard evidence then lay it out, show us the documents.  Shows us anything other than "someone told us" and "we think it might be true".

Again Hunter was never the POTUS.  Trump was.  Hunter had an admitted drug problem and is paying for his crimes.  Trump is denying everything and playing the victim.  Stop trying to compare the two.  And so far you, Jordan, the gop have shown exactly zero showing Joe Biden was involved in any way.

If you can and he was...go get 'em!  I'll support that 100%.

But again, you'll ignore that and continue claim everyone on the left, the FBI, the DOJ are ALL in on it.

[*pally*]

(06-27-2023, 11:12 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Here lies the problem. You don't care if Joe is guilty, this should not have to be Republicans making a case. This should be our justice system. Comer and Jordan have found more in 6 months than the FBI and DOJ found in 6 years. Why? 

You seem to forget they also have found a money trail of millions of dollars going to Biden family members including his grandchildren. Why would China give Joe's grandchildren (all but the one he refuses to accept) money? Issue one is was Joe involved in any way with foreign countries and HB business dealings? 

Issue 2 should be a shared interest and not on political party lines. Is the FBI and the DOJ corrupt? Either Garland lied or Weiss lied. Weiss told 6 people (witnesses) in a meeting Garland would not allow to give him special counsel privileges. The whistleblowers said Weiss said he was denied. Garland says he gave Weiss full autonomy. But when Weiss tried to file charges in California, a US attorney (works for Biden) stopped it. They also stopped charges being filed in another state. In the end, Weiss only had the ability to charge HB for crimes in Delaware. Who lied? Weiss or Garland? Stay tuned because my guess Weiss, the US attorney and others involved will be testifying soon before Congress.

I understand why you want to silence me or anyone seeking the truth. But as I have stated, this is not going away and in my opinion the investigations have just begun into Joe's and his family involvement. But more importantly into the FBI and the DOJ who appear to have a 2 tier stand of justice. If it is Donald Trump or an ally throw everything them. If a Clinton or a Biden, delay and not use the same tactics used against Trump.

The FBI and DOJ have a huge credibility problem and it is going to get worse as Jordan and Comer expose them.

Well, Luvnit,  if Biden is guilty of a crime, then, of course, I want him tried and convicted.  But, no one has given us ANYTHING connecting President Joe Biden to ANY crime.  What federal statute says it is illegal for a Chinese corporation to give money to a private citizen's family?  Even, if in 2017 they walked up to Joe himself and handed him cash, that's NOT illegal.  What part of that do you not understand?  For that money to be illegal then something, illegal had to happen as a result of it. And no one, including the Republicans in Congress, has been able to point out ANY illegal actions from Joe Biden.

No one wants to silence anyone who is actually pursuing the truth.  Jim Jordan and James Comer, however, just want to throw accusations out in order to weaken Biden's reelection chances.  Thus, far everything they have thrown out has fizzled.  Bring actual evidence not hearsay, not wild accusations or whining, and you'll convince me.  Keep going the way they are going and it is just a s*** show run by to bull********

Maybe the so-called 2-tier justice system is because they have evidence against Trump and company and they don't against anyone else.  I know that is hard for you to hear.  Don't forget that Trump's IRS failed to audit him, as required by law,  for 3 years until Congress started asking questions.  

Expand your horizons...your media diet continues to only show you one side of the story and you follow blindly believing everything they tell you.  

APPLY SOME LOGIC!!!!!

[NATI BENGALS]

(06-27-2023, 01:17 PM)pally Wrote: Well, Luvnit,  if Biden is guilty of a crime, then, of course, I want him tried and convicted.  But, no one has given us ANYTHING connecting President Joe Biden to ANY crime.  What federal statute says it is illegal for a Chinese corporation to give money to a private citizen's family?  Even, if in 2017 they walked up to Joe himself and handed him cash, that's NOT illegal.  What part of that do you not understand?  For that money to be illegal then something, illegal had to happen as a result of it. And no one, including the Republicans in Congress, has been able to point out ANY illegal actions from Joe Biden.

No one wants to silence anyone who is actually pursuing the truth.  Jim Jordan and James Comer, however, just want to throw accusations out in order to weaken Biden's reelection chances.  Thus, far everything they have thrown out has fizzled.  Bring actual evidence not hearsay, not wild accusations or whining, and you'll convince me.  Keep going the way they are going and it is just a s*** show run by to bull********

Maybe the so-called 2-tier justice system is because they have evidence against Trump and company and they don't against anyone else.  I know that is hard for you to hear.  Don't forget that Trump's IRS failed to audit him, as required by law,  for 3 years until Congress started asking questions.  

Expand your horizons...your media diet continues to only show you one side of the story and you follow blindly believing everything they tell you.  

APPLY SOME LOGIC!!!!!

Sticks fingers in ears and closes eyes, lalalalalala I can’t hear you….

[Luvnit2]

(06-27-2023, 01:17 PM)pally Wrote: Well, Luvnit,  if Biden is guilty of a crime, then, of course, I want him tried and convicted.  But, no one has given us ANYTHING connecting President Joe Biden to ANY crime.  What federal statute says it is illegal for a Chinese corporation to give money to a private citizen's family?  Even, if in 2017 they walked up to Joe himself and handed him cash, that's NOT illegal.  What part of that do you not understand?  For that money to be illegal then something, illegal had to happen as a result of it. And no one, including the Republicans in Congress, has been able to point out ANY illegal actions from Joe Biden.

No one wants to silence anyone who is actually pursuing the truth.  Jim Jordan and James Comer, however, just want to throw accusations out in order to weaken Biden's reelection chances.  Thus, far everything they have thrown out has fizzled.  Bring actual evidence not hearsay, not wild accusations or whining, and you'll convince me.  Keep going the way they are going and it is just a s*** show run by to bull********

Maybe the so-called 2-tier justice system is because they have evidence against Trump and company and they don't against anyone else.  I know that is hard for you to hear.  Don't forget that Trump's IRS failed to audit him, as required by law,  for 3 years until Congress started asking questions.  

Expand your horizons...your media diet continues to only show you one side of the story and you follow blindly believing everything they tell you.  

APPLY SOME LOGIC!!!!!

Why all of the anger Pally? I am very logical. Why do you order me to expand my horizons? You sound like Obama who said to thin like me or you are wrong. I have a ton of logic. The country has seen 7 years of vicious attacks on Trump aided by the FBI and DOJ. Obama, Biden, Comey and Strzok were all briefed by Clapper in 2016 prior to the election on the HRC campaign tactic to attack Trump by a fake Russian Dossier. One HRC bought and paid for, but they did nothing (Comey and Strzok) but move forward with fake FISA warrants and turned it into a over 50 million dollar investigation. No collusion, but I have yet to see you and others admit Trump was correct, it was a witch hunt, a political with hunt involving the FBI and DOJ.

As for Comer and Jordan, they have only been investigating these issues for 5 months as the Democrats had control of the house so the work s far from over. I love how you assume Trump is guilty of everything and Joe Biden is innocent. Seems to me maybe you need to consider expanding your news input.

Now calm down, it will all be OK whether Joe Biden is innocent or guilty, whether Trump is found guilty or innocent. I will continue the #1 cable news outlet and you an continue to use your sources who rarely cover a bad accusation against a democratic President.

[hollodero]

(06-27-2023, 06:06 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: No collusion, but I have yet to see you and others admit Trump was correct, it was a witch hunt, a political with hunt involving the FBI and DOJ.

Well that's because Trump wasn't correct. He claimed full vindication when Mueller explicitly said he was not vindicated. And he was not right about the witch hunt. The investigations got several people in Trump's surroundings indicted, most notably his former campaign manager and his advisor Roger Stone.

Now tell me, if there were an investigation into Biden and his surroundings, and it would have resulted in prison time for his campaign manager and one of his advisors, would you still use the word "witch hunt"? I guess hardly. And if the same investigations had claimed that Biden could not be indicted due to DOJ policy and that's why there's no determination on that, I guess you would have called out the DOJ over that apparently political stance. Especially when the AG would himself make said determination and re-interpret the investigation report in favor of Biden. And if Biden then had pardoned his guilty advisor, you would have called it a scandal. Wouldn't you have?

[Foolishpride]

(06-27-2023, 06:06 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why all of the anger Pally? I am very logical. Why do you order me to expand my horizons? You sound like Obama who said to thin like me or you are wrong. I have a ton of logic. The country has seen 7 years of vicious attacks on Trump aided by the FBI and DOJ. Obama, Biden, Comey and Strzok were all briefed by Clapper in 2016 prior to the election on the HRC campaign tactic to attack Trump by a fake Russian Dossier. One HRC bought and paid for, but they did nothing (Comey and Strzok) but move forward with fake FISA warrants and turned it into a over 50 million dollar investigation. No collusion, but I have yet to see you and others admit Trump was correct, it was a witch hunt, a political with hunt involving the FBI and DOJ.

As for Comer and Jordan, they have only been investigating these issues for 5 months as the Democrats had control of the house so the work s far from over. I love how you assume Trump is guilty of everything and Joe Biden is innocent. Seems to me maybe you need to consider expanding your news input.

Now calm down, it will all be OK whether Joe Biden is innocent or guilty, whether Trump is found guilty or innocent. I will continue the #1 cable news outlet and you an continue to use your sources who rarely cover a bad accusation against a democratic President.

I can give you 787.5 Million reasons why you shouldn't rely on the #1 cable news outlet as your lone news source.

[*pally*]

(06-27-2023, 06:06 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why all of the anger Pally? I am very logical. Why do you order me to expand my horizons? You sound like Obama who said to thin like me or you are wrong. I have a ton of logic. The country has seen 7 years of vicious attacks on Trump aided by the FBI and DOJ. Obama, Biden, Comey and Strzok were all briefed by Clapper in 2016 prior to the election on the HRC campaign tactic to attack Trump by a fake Russian Dossier. One HRC bought and paid for, but they did nothing (Comey and Strzok) but move forward with fake FISA warrants and turned it into a over 50 million dollar investigation. No collusion, but I have yet to see you and others admit Trump was correct, it was a witch hunt, a political with hunt involving the FBI and DOJ.

As for Comer and Jordan, they have only been investigating these issues for 5 months as the Democrats had control of the house so the work s far from over. I love how you assume Trump is guilty of everything and Joe Biden is innocent. Seems to me maybe you need to consider expanding your news input.

Now calm down, it will all be OK whether Joe Biden is innocent or guilty, whether Trump is found guilty or innocent. I will continue the #1 cable news outlet and you an continue to use your sources who rarely cover a bad accusation against a democratic President.

Then promise you won't come all outraged and shocked when things don't happen the way the "#1 cable news outlet" lies to you about.

[Luvnit2]

(06-27-2023, 10:18 PM)pally Wrote: Then promise you won't come all outraged and shocked when things don't happen the way the "#1 cable news outlet" lies to you about.

CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS and many others lied and took whatever Schiff said as factual, but we all know he lied. These news stations could have investigated the Dossier, but did not because they already knew it was a HRC hit piece. I will say again as those on the left are in denial, Trump did not collude with Russia confirmed by Mueller, Horowitz and Durham. Durham went further and said the FBI and DOJ did not verify anything including the fake HRC paid for dossier prior to launching a 50 million dollar Mueller investigation. Those are the facts and getting low lying fruit like Manafort (former campaign manager) and Roger Stone had nothing to do with Trump and colluding with Russia. But, hey keep those liberal lies flowing because you think anyone not a liberal is a moro and can't read and figure out the truth.

But hey, lecture conservatives about our news source. My favorite Fox news host is Brett Baier whose show Special Report at 6 p.m. weekdays. Brett just nailed Trump in an interview, he says he is fair and balanced and he proved it again with the Trump interview last week. 

FYI, the NYT tried to bury it but confirmed today Weiss did in fact exactly what FOX NEWS said he did. They verified he told 6 people in a meeting he asked for special counsel status because Weiss was denied the opportunity to bring charges against Hunter in California and also. So, Garland lied to Congress when he said he did not interfere (US attorneys work for the AG) in the HB investigation. Weiss also lied when he sent out a statement saying he had full authority.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyt-confirms-irs-whistleblower-claim-hunter-biden-probe-buries-21st-paragraph-report

Is the NYT a good enough source to verify a Fox whistleblower story?

If not CBS interviewed Whistleblower Shapely and he shared some more facts. HB owed 2.2 million in taxes from 2014 to 2019. There is more interesting facts and I suggest you research and read the 2 whistleblowers sworn testimony if you want to learn facts. Now 6 IRS whistleblowers confirm Weiss said he was denied by Garland special counsel status. So Weiss lied to the agents or Garland lied or possibly they both lied.

[Luvnit2]

(06-27-2023, 09:23 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well that's because Trump wasn't correct. He claimed full vindication when Mueller explicitly said he was not vindicated. And he was not right about the witch hunt. The investigations got several people in Trump's surroundings indicted, most notably his former campaign manager and his advisor Roger Stone.

Horowitz and Durham confirmed Trump did not collude with Russia, but hey keep lying.

Now tell me, if there were an investigation into Biden and his surroundings, and it would have resulted in prison time for his campaign manager  (Former campaign manager) and one of his advisors, would you still use the word "witch hunt"? I guess hardly. And if the same investigations had claimed that Biden could not be indicted due to DOJ policy and that's why there's no determination on that, I guess you would have called out the DOJ over that apparently political stance. Especially when the AG would himself make said determination and re-interpret the investigation report in favor of Biden. And if Biden then had pardoned his guilty advisor, you would have called it a scandal. Wouldn't you have?

Again, all your rambling and 3 separate investigations and all said the same thing TRUMP NEVER COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA.


YES, THAT THEN MAKES IT A WITCH HUNT TO SPEND 50 MILLION JUST ON MUELLER AND NO CHARGES AGAIST TRUMP.

[GMDino]

(06-27-2023, 11:37 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, all your rambling and 3 separate investigations and all said the same thing TRUMP NEVER COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA.


YES, THAT THEN MAKES IT A WITCH HUNT TO SPEND 50 MILLION JUST ON MUELLER AND NO CHARGES AGAIST TRUMP.

Why all the anger Luvnit?

Obviously others, who have read and followed sources outside of the right wing noise machine understand that what you are saying is not true.  You claims to be logical but instead you simple are a parrot for what you were told to believe despite the actual facts.

[Arturo Bandini]

(06-28-2023, 09:24 AM)GMDino Wrote: Why all the anger Luvnit?

Obviously others, who have read and followed sources outside of the right wing noise machine understand that what you are saying is not true.  You claims to be logical but instead you simple are a parrot for what you were told to believe despite the actual facts.

I love those CAPSLOCK people who sound like if they are yelling something, it's the absolute truth.

[Belsnickel]

(06-28-2023, 09:37 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: I love those CAPLOCKS people who sound like if they are yelling something, it's the absolute truth.

Also, if they say it enough it will be true, no matter how much it isn't supported by the evidence.

[hollodero]

(06-27-2023, 11:37 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, all your rambling and 3 separate investigations and all said the same thing TRUMP NEVER COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA.


YES, THAT THEN MAKES IT A WITCH HUNT TO SPEND 50 MILLION JUST ON MUELLER AND NO CHARGES AGAIST TRUMP.

All capital boldness aside, this is a weak response, for several reasons. First off, you act as if the sole purpose of this investigation was to charge Trump. It very much was not. It was an investigation into Russian election interference, including possible links between Trump associates and Russian officials. A task the investigation fulfilled. Not only did it lay out the scale of said election interference and named the people behind it, it also got several people from Trump's orbit indicted. Manafort and Stone were sentenced to multiple years in prison, others made plea deals, in other words there were plenty witches that were found out.

As for Trump himself, he explicitly was not exonerated on obstruction charges. He just could have never gotten charged in the first place. Which has nothing to do with the facts of the matter, but was clear from the start due to DOJ policy that a president just can not be indicted. Trump, of course, then was exonerated by the AG Trump himself picked just before the Mueller report came out, the same AG that blatantly misrepresented the reports' content. That's what you actually celebrate, that there was a policy in place that protected Trump no matter what, and that he was sly enough to pick a loyal, complacent AG just in time. Woo-hoo.

Which leads me to the weakest part of your response, the way you dodged my question whether you would feel the same if the roles were reversed. If this were a liberal AG shielding a liberal president like Biden, while several of his former associates - which Biden then pardoned for good measure - were found guilty of crimes that resulted in multi-year prison sentences. Would you still shout "witch hunt", or would you see a huge liberal scandal? 
Of course, for me it's no longer a question now, but a clear assessment, you'd clearly do the latter in the strongest of terms. For your opinion is shaped solely by your political affiliation, that is your starting point, not logic or reason or the facts, but only your blatant partisanship, your compulsion to always take the "conservatives good, liberals bad"-stance no matter what. Of course, you again have every opportunity to convincingly refute that claim. But no one of these "fake Russian story" folks like you ever do.