Australian woman in Minnesota calls cops then is fatally shot by one of the officers

[Matt_Crimson]

(07-18-2017, 11:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not a one, I can assure you.  The fact that the officers were sitting in their vehicle while having this discussion exemplifies the fact that they considered themselves to be in a situation in which the potential for violence was non-existent.  Sitting in a car seat is a horrible tactical position to be in.  This would also explain why the body cameras were not on, as the idea of engaging in a behavior that would need to be documented was apparently remote.  This leads to the shooting itself.  The only way this shooting could be explained as anything other than a horrific blunder would be if this woman suddenly brandished a weapon and attacked the seated officers.  Of course, the scenario does not easily (or at all) lend itself to believing such a thing occurred.  You really have to wonder about this officer and his judgment.

Yeah they would literally have into inject the use of cocaine or some other narcotic to explain away this officers actions. But then again, there are "sources" now saying that Matthew Harrity (the officer in the driver seat) has mentioned to people he's spoken with that he was "stunned" by what his partner did, and he was apparently just having a conversation with her by his window when Mohamed just decided to go all Rambo on her.

Quote:This is a real no win scenario for this department.  If nothing happens to this officer you get the standard refrain of officers acting with impunity and the trope of the gang in blue.  If they go after this guy you'll get a, unfortunately not insignificant, number of people claiming the only reason they didn't protect him, as "they always do", is that he's a black immigrant and therefore expendable.  Write it down now, you will absolutely see an article claiming exactly that on HuffPo or Vox if it goes down that way.  Either way this plays out the department is going to be put through the wringer.

Agreed. The sad irony in all of this is that the Minneapolis police department was being criticized for not having enough immigrants on the force. So what do they do? Well, they hire a Somalian (the Somali community is huge up here) and get praised for it. Now that guy goes out and kills some woman for reporting a possible crime. It'll be interesting to see what will be made of this.

[HarleyDog]

This is sad. Very sad.

[Matt_Crimson]

It is now being reported that the officers did turn their cameras on after Justine was shot and that Mohamed shot her after hearing a "loud noise by their car".


http://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-heard-loud-noise-before-partner-mohamed-noor-shot-justine-damond-minnesota-bca-says/435251273/

Quote:Officer heard loud noise before partner Mohamed Noor shot Justine Damond, Minnesota BCA says
 
Police officers Matthew Harrity and Mohamed Noor eased their patrol vehicle into the alley of the quiet south Minneapolis neighborhood late Saturday, the squad’s lights off as they responded to a report of a possible assault.
Near the end of the alley, a “loud sound” startled Harrity. A moment later, Justine Damond, the woman who had called 911, approached the driver’s side of the squad car. Suddenly a surprise burst of gunfire blasted past Harrity as Noor fired through the squad’s open window, striking Damond in the abdomen.


The two officers began lifesaving efforts, but within 20 minutes Damond was dead. That rudimentary account of her death, released Tuesday by the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, is based on an interview that Harrity, 25, a one-year veteran of the force, gave to BCA investigators about a case that has become a focus of national and international attention. Noor so far has refused to talk to investigators and there is no indication when or if he might tell his side of the story. The fatal shooting of Damond, a 40-year-old spiritual healer from Australia who was engaged to be married, has stirred community unrest toward police and calls from family and friends for an explanation as to why Noor, 31, shot her.


The new information from the BCA does not fully answer those questionsbut it offers a timeline of what happened that night. The BCA said Noor’s attorney, Thomas Plunkett, has not indicated whether the officer will give an interview. Plunkett did not respond to a request for comment. Harrity’s attorney, Fred Bruno, confirmed he was representing Harrity but did not comment further.
 
In a Tuesday evening news conference, Mayor Betsy Hodges, Assistant Police Chief Medaria Arradondo, and City Council Member Linea Palmisano addressed reporters from around the world, saying they were still limited by the ongoing investigation. “We do have more information, though it’s frustrating to have some of the picture but not all of it,” Hodges said. “We cannot compel Officer Noor to make a statement; I wish we could,” she said, quickly clarifying: “I wish that he would make a statement.” Neither officer’s body camera was on at the time of the shooting, nor was the squad car dash camera. Arradondo said the department has a quality assurance commander who will investigate the bodycam program.


A use-of-force investigation has also been launched, and Chief Janeé Harteau — who has been out of public view since the shooting and on what a spokesperson called a “personal, pre-scheduled” trip, is expected to return Wednesday. As her family previously reported, the BCA said it was Damond, identified by her given name of Justine Ruszczyk, who called 911 that night. Around 11:30 p.m., she reported hearing screaming in the alley and worried there might be an assault taking place.
Arradondo said Tuesday that officers at the scene canvassed the area and did not locate any suspects.


The responding officers had not been on the force long. Harrity was hired a year ago; Noor two years ago. Asked by the media about partnering two relatively inexperienced officers, Arradondo said: “These were two fully trained police officers.”
They drove south through the alley between Washburn and Xerxes avenues S., toward 51st Street West, with the squad lights turned off. As they reached the street, “Harrity indicated that he was startled by a loud sound near the squad,” according to the preliminary BCA investigation. Damon approached the driver’s side window of the squad car “immediately afterward,” according to the statement.


After Noor shot Damond, the officers quickly exited the car and started performing CPR until medical responders arrived. Damond was pronounced dead at the scene. The officers were wearing body cameras, but they did not turn them on until after the shooting, according to the BCA. Investigators say they are not aware of any video or audio of the shooting. The investigation is still active, but the BCA account of events says the agency has briefed the Hennepin County attorney’s office about the preliminary findings. Once the investigation is completed, all materials will go to the county attorney to review. Investigators have no interviews scheduled for now, though they are looking for a white male bicyclist age 18-25 they say stopped and watched officers give medical assistance, and other witnesses to the incident.


Anyone with information is urged to call the BCA at 651-793-7000. Investigators are also doing forensic testing.
On Tuesday, a Minneapolis Somali-American police officer anonymously spoke on behalf of himself and his eight Somali-American colleagues, expressing both condolences to Damond’s family, as well as fear. “We can’t imagine the pain and suffering the victim’s family is going through and our hearts go out to them,” he said, adding that some reporters have been staking out their homes and knocking on their doors. “This is scaring our families. It’s difficult to deal with some media groups going to other Somali officers’ houses who are not involved in this shooting. It makes it hard to do this job when you’re worried about your family.” State Rep. Ilhan Omar, the nation’s first Somali-American lawmaker, issued a statement urging the change of what she called a police culture that causes deaths like Damond’s.
 
“The current officer training program indoctrinates individuals of all races into a system that teaches them to act first, think later, and justify with fear,” she said. The shooting came just weeks after the acquittal of ex-St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez in the fatal shooting of Philando Castile, and nearly two years after Jamar Clark was shot and killed during a scuffle with two Minneapolis police officers who were not charged. Widespread protests followed the deaths of both men, who were black. When Hodges was asked if race played a role in her demands for immediacy and transparency in the Damond investigation, Hodges said it wasn’t about her personal feelings but about the importance of communication. “I’ve learned a lot of lessons, almost two years ago, going through the experience of Jamar Clark,” she said.


While Hodges expressed her desire that Noor would offer a statement on what happened that night, Arradondo said he would not cast judgment. “It is his right,” Arradondo said. “He has legal representation and I want to respect his right for that.”

[*michaelsean*]

So is this the same police force that shot the guy who told the police he had a CCL and a weapon, and when the officer told him to show his ID he shot him for reaching for his ID?

[Matt_Crimson]

(07-19-2017, 09:51 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So is this the same police force that shot the guy who told the police he had a CCL and a weapon, and when the officer told him to show his ID he shot him for reaching for his ID?

Yeah pretty much.

[Bengalzona]

(07-18-2017, 11:34 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not a one, I can assure you.  The fact that the officers were sitting in their vehicle while having this discussion exemplifies the fact that they considered themselves to be in a situation in which the potential for violence was non-existent.  Sitting in a car seat is a horrible tactical position to be in.  This would also explain why the body cameras were not on, as the idea of engaging in a behavior that would need to be documented was apparently remote.  This leads to the shooting itself.  The only way this shooting could be explained as anything other than a horrific blunder would be if this woman suddenly brandished a weapon and attacked the seated officers.  Of course, the scenario does not easily (or at all) lend itself to believing such a thing occurred.  You really have to wonder about this officer and his judgment.

This is a real no win scenario for this department.  If nothing happens to this officer you get the standard refrain of officers acting with impunity and the trope of the gang in blue.  If they go after this guy you'll get a, unfortunately not insignificant, number of people claiming the only reason they didn't protect him, as "they always do", is that he's a black immigrant and therefore expendable.  Write it down now, you will absolutely see an article claiming exactly that on HuffPo or Vox if it goes down that way.  Either way this plays out the department is going to be put through the wringer.

The articles I'm seeing claim that it is only getting attention because the victim was white.

It sounds like this guy had some flawed judgment. Of course the fact that the overwhelming majority of the time, cops make the right judgment is lost in the news and never really reported. Which is interesting since our society is built upon the fact that they do right and wise thing almost all the time. That's why it is shocking when something like this happens. 

I get that there are incidents where bad things have happened between law enforcement and minorities and that there are probably some racist cops out there (a reflection of society in general). But I also think that cops do make the best decisions overwhelmingly more often than these incidents occur. I'm also not convinced that there is any systemic racism in any of the various police forces. Rather, I think it is just a bad apple or two here and there. 

When I'm in trouble or see something bad happen, I'll stick to calling the cops to sort it out.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-19-2017, 11:43 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: The articles I'm seeing claim that it is only getting attention because the victim was white.

Right?  Because you never hear about it when a non-white person is killed by the police.  (Note I am not accusing you of this, just pointing out the absurdity of the argument being made by those you referenced)

Quote:It sounds like this guy had some flawed judgment. Of course the fact that the overwhelming majority of the time, cops make the right judgment is lost in the news and never really reported. Which is interesting since our society is built upon the fact that they do right and wise thing almost all the time. That's why it is shocking when something like this happens. 

This is why the whole outrage over police shootings has always rankled for me.  They are exceedingly rare.  Even the insanely biased Guardian had under 1,200 people killed, notice I didn't say shot, by the police in the past two years.  Their methodology in this regard was so absurd they "counted" people killed in traffic accidents involving LEO's, people who died in custody from natural causes and people killed by off duty LEO's, such as a wife killed in a domestic abuse situation.  "Counting" those types of deaths is clearly done to inflate an already small number to justify their sense of moral outrage.  In addition, I could care less how many people are killed by LEO's in the line of duty, I care about the number of people that are killed that shouldn't have been.  This would be a tiny fraction of an already minuscule number.  But, outrage everyone!

Quote:I get that there are incidents where bad things have happened between law enforcement and minorities and that there are probably some racist cops out there (a reflection of society in general). But I also think that cops do make the best decisions overwhelmingly more often than these incidents occur. I'm also not convinced that there is any systemic racism in any of the various police forces. Rather, I think it is just a bad apple or two here and there. 

When your on the job experience with "X" ethnicity consists almost entirely of gang members, drug addicts, thieves, out of control kids, equally out of control mothers, i.e. the worst examples of "X" one could hope to find, some people will comment on, or start to view that group, as a monolith.  It's a very easy trap to fall into.  Even so, the vast majority of LEO's do not.

Quote:When I'm in trouble or see something bad happen, I'll stick to calling the cops to sort it out.

Logically so, as the odds say you're going to survive 99.999% of the time.  You have worse odds taking a shower or driving to work.

[Bengalzona]

(07-19-2017, 12:01 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Right?  Because you never hear about it when a non-white person is killed by the police.  (Note I am not accusing you of this, just pointing out the absurdity of the argument being made by those you referenced)

No accusation taken. I have liberal and conservative friends and each side throws out propaganda that has to be either sifted through to find truths or discarded. This narrative of "because it was a white woman" doesn't hold water with me. 

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This is why the whole outrage over police shootings has always rankled for me.  They are exceedingly rare.  Even the insanely biased Guardian had under 1,200 people killed, notice I didn't say shot, by the police in the past two years.  Their methodology in this regard was so absurd they "counted" people killed in traffic accidents involving LEO's, people who died in custody from natural causes and people killed by off duty LEO's, such as a wife killed in a domestic abuse situation.  "Counting" those types of deaths is clearly done to inflate an already small number to justify their sense of moral outrage.  In addition, I could care less how many people are killed by LEO's in the line of duty, I care about the number of people that are killed that shouldn't have been.  This would be a tiny fraction of an already minuscule number.  But, outrage everyone!
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I would think that LEO's would be some of the most outraged when an incident like this occurs, despite their disciplined demeanor.  

Quote:When your on the job experience with "X" ethnicity consists almost entirely of gang members, drug addicts, thieves, out of control kids, equally out of control mothers, i.e. the worst examples of "X" one could hope to find, some people will comment on, or start to view that group, as a monolith.  It's a very easy trap to fall into.  Even so, the vast majority of LEO's do not.

That has been my experience. 

Quote:Logically so, as the odds say you're going to survive 99.999% of the time.  You have worse odds taking a shower or driving to work.

Truth.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-19-2017, 12:01 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:  



This is why the whole outrage over police shootings has always rankled for me.  They are exceedingly rare.  Even the insanely biased Guardian had under 1,200 people killed, notice I didn't say shot, by the police in the past two years.  Their methodology in this regard was so absurd they "counted" people killed in traffic accidents involving LEO's, people who died in custody from natural causes and people killed by off duty LEO's, such as a wife killed in a domestic abuse situation.  "Counting" those types of deaths is clearly done to inflate an already small number to justify their sense of moral outrage.  In addition, I could care less how many people are killed by LEO's in the line of duty, I care about the number of people that are killed that shouldn't have been.  This would be a tiny fraction of an already minuscule number.  But, outrage everyone!



 

Did they throw George Zimmerman in there as well?

[GMDino]

(07-19-2017, 05:41 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Did they throw George Zimmerman in there as well?

Because he was pretending he was the law or because he got away with it?