Ben Carson: Egyptian Pyramids Built For Grain Storage, Not By Aliens Or As Tombs

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(11-06-2015, 07:36 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Prove it. 

They found people entombed in them.  

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(11-06-2015, 11:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: They found people entombed in them.  

Lol. Where did you hear such rubbish? 

I challenge you to present proof of any mummy ever discovered in either of the three great pyramids. 

There was one discovered in one of the smaller of the three but it's not conclusive, based on the evidence that this mummy was there when the pyramid was constructed. I'm pointing this out so you know I'm aware of this one and given the evidence, should be omitted from this discussion because I really don't wanna post a bunch of links showing you the proof. Even if you won't let that one go, then prove any mummy was ever found in either of the other two, including and perhaps most importantly, the Great Pyramid (the biggest one). 

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(11-07-2015, 12:41 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Lol. Where did you hear such rubbish? 

I challenge you to present proof of any mummy ever discovered in either of the three great pyramids. 

There was one discovered in one of the smaller of the three but it's not conclusive, based on the evidence that this mummy was there when the pyramid was constructed. I'm pointing this out so you know I'm aware of this one and given the evidence, should be omitted from this discussion because I really don't wanna post a bunch of links showing you the proof. Even if you won't let that one go, then prove any mummy was ever found in either of the other two, including and perhaps most importantly, the Great Pyramid (the biggest one). 

They were there, but the aliens took them.

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(11-07-2015, 01:56 AM)bfine32 Wrote: They were there, but the aliens took them.

Tell that to Carson since he is the one who brought up aliens in the OP. 

Both of you are funny. Or rather you are displaying a funny nature. 

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(11-07-2015, 12:41 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Lol. Where did you hear such rubbish? 

I challenge you to present proof of any mummy ever discovered in either of the three great pyramids. 

There was one discovered in one of the smaller of the three but it's not conclusive, based on the evidence that this mummy was there when the pyramid was constructed. I'm pointing this out so you know I'm aware of this one and given the evidence, should be omitted from this discussion because I really don't wanna post a bunch of links showing you the proof. Even if you won't let that one go, then prove any mummy was ever found in either of the other two, including and perhaps most importantly, the Great Pyramid (the biggest one). 

You know there's more than three pyramids, right?

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holy crap....DA is a pyramid doubter?!?

Mind blownt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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(11-07-2015, 02:43 AM)Benton Wrote: :confused:

You know there's more than three pyramids, right?

Of course I do. 

I know that there are pyramids on every continent and in all great civilizations throughout the entire ancient world. Ever seen the Bosnian or China pyramids? Did you even know those existed?

I'm no expert on pyramids but I know a thing or two about them and I know for a fact that no mummies have ever been been discovered in any of the three that pops into your head when you think of pyramids, save one, in one of the smaller of the three, in 100BC or thereabouts. 

If you guys wanna debate all those other pyramids, we can do that. But we all know we're talking about the 3 at Giza. 

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(11-07-2015, 03:16 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: holy crap....DA is a pyramid doubter?!?

Mind blownt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's this even mean?
 
All I said was no mummies have been found in the three pyramids we imagine when we hear the word 'pyramid'. This is an indisputable fact. 

I also know that Zahi Hawass, the guy that you think of when you think of pyramid experts, isn't without controversy. And that he and Egypt have an interest in keeping secrets about what we think we know of Egypt. 

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(11-06-2015, 07:36 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Prove it. 

(11-07-2015, 12:41 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Lol. Where did you hear such rubbish? 

I challenge you to present proof of any mummy ever discovered in either of the three great pyramids. 

There was one discovered in one of the smaller of the three but it's not conclusive, based on the evidence that this mummy was there when the pyramid was constructed. I'm pointing this out so you know I'm aware of this one and given the evidence, should be omitted from this discussion because I really don't wanna post a bunch of links showing you the proof. Even if you won't let that one go, then prove any mummy was ever found in either of the other two, including and perhaps most importantly, the Great Pyramid (the biggest one). 

(11-07-2015, 09:47 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: Of course I do. 

I know that there are pyramids on every continent and in all great civilizations throughout the entire ancient world. Ever seen the Bosnian or China pyramids? Did you even know those existed?

I'm no expert on pyramids but I know a thing or two about them and I know for a fact that no mummies have ever been been discovered in any of the three that pops into your head when you think of pyramids, save one, in one of the smaller of the three, in 100BC or thereabouts. 

If you guys wanna debate all those other pyramids, we can do that. But we all know we're talking about the 3 at Giza. 

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/inside-the-great-pyramid-75164298/?no-ist

Quote:Few would be so bold as to suggest that, even today, we know why Khufu ordered the construction of what is by far the most elaborate system of passages and chambers concealed within any pyramid. His is the only one of the 35 such tombs constructed between 2630 and 1750 B.C. to contain tunnels and vaults well above ground level. (Its immediate predecessors, the Bent Pyramid and the North Pyramid at Dahshur, have vaults built at ground level; all the others are solid structures whose burial chambers lie well underground.)

For years, the commonly accepted theory was that the Great Pyramid's elaborate features were the product of a succession of changes in plan, perhaps to accommodate Pharaoh's increasingly divine stature as his reign went on, but the American Egyptologist Mark Lehner has marshaled evidence suggesting that the design was fixed before construction began. If so, the pyramid's internal layout becomes even more mysterious, and that's before we bear in mind the findings of the Quarterly Review, which reported in 1818, after careful computation, that the structure's known passages and vaults occupy a mere 1/7,400th of its volume, so that "after leaving the contents of every second chamber solid by way of separation, there might be three thousand seven hundred chambers, each equal in size to the sarcophagus chamber, [hidden] within."


But if the thinking behind the pyramid's design remains unknown, there is a second puzzle that should be easier to solve: the question of who first entered the Great Pyramid after it was sealed in about 2566 B.C. and what they found inside it.

It's a problem that gets remarkably little play in mainstream studies, perhaps because it's often thought that all Egyptian tombs—with the notable exception of Tutankhamun's—were plundered within years of their completion. There's no reason to suppose that the Great Pyramid would have been exempt; tomb-robbers were no respecters of the dead, and there is evidence that they were active at Giza—when the smallest of the three pyramids there, which was built by Khufu's grandson Menkaure, was broken open in 1837, it was found to contain a mummy that had been interred there around 100 B.C. In other words, the tomb had been ransacked and reused.
 

image: http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/0f/25/0f2580f1-968b-43dd-b971-45ec46799745/subterranean-chamber1.jpg__800x450_q85_crop_upscale.jpg
The subterranean chamber in the Great Pyramid, photographed in 1909, showing the mysterious blind passage that heads off into the bedrock before terminating abruptly in a blank wall after 53 feet.
The evidence that the Great Pyramid was similarly plundered is more equivocal; the accounts we have say two quite contradictory things. They suggest that the upper reaches of the structure remained sealed until they were opened under Arab rule in the ninth century A.D. But they also imply that when these intruders first entered the King's Chamber, the royal sarcophagus was already open and Khufu's mummy was nowhere to be seen.

This problem is one of more than merely academic interest, if only because some popular accounts of the Great Pyramid take as their starting point the idea that Khufu was never interred there, and go on to suggest that if the pyramid was not a tomb, it must have been intended as a storehouse for ancient wisdom, or as an energy accumulator, or as a map of the future of mankind. Given that, it's important to know what was written by the various antiquaries, travelers and scientists who visited Giza before the advent of modern Egyptology in the 19th century.

Let's start by explaining that the pyramid contains two distinct tunnel systems, the lower of which corresponds to those found in earlier monuments, while the upper (which was carefully hidden and perhaps survived inviolate much longer) is unique to the Great Pyramid. The former system begins at a concealed entrance 56 feet above ground in the north face, and proceeds down a low descending passage to open, deep in the bedrock on which the pyramid was built, into what is known as the Subterranean Chamber. This bare and unfinished cavern, inaccessible today, has an enigmatic pit dug into its floor and serves as the starting point for a small, cramped tunnel of unknown purpose that dead-ends in the bedrock.

Above, within the main bulk of the pyramid, the second tunnel system leads up to a series of funerary vaults. To outwit tomb robbers, this Ascending Passage was blocked with granite plugs, and its entrance in the Descending Passage was disguised with a limestone facing identical to the surrounding stones. Beyond it lies the 26-foot-high Grand Gallery, the Queen's Chamber and the King's Chamber. Exciting discoveries have been made in the so-called air shafts found in both these chambers, which lead up toward the pyramid's exterior. The pair in the Queen's Chamber, concealed behind masonry until they were rediscovered late in the 19th century, are the ones famously explored by robot a few years ago and shown to end in mysterious miniature "doors." These revelations that have done little to dampen hope that the pyramid hides further secrets.

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(11-05-2015, 02:47 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: But he operated on brains! Everything he says is genius!

....For the record: the entire Exodus story is a myth since there was never substantial Hebrew slavery in the ancient Egyptian empire.

First, welcome back.

Second, how do you define substantial?

I mean, in one sense every biblical story is a myth, not just Exodus. But, from what I remember of a 20 pound door stopper of a book on the history of Israel there were many small groups of people who were taken in under the umbrella during the Exodus wanderings. My teacher called them "a motley crew." So while the original Hebrew slaves may not have been "substantial" in numbers, I do believe they existed in history.

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Or this: LINK

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(11-07-2015, 09:47 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: If you guys wanna debate all those other pyramids, we can do that. But we all know we're talking about the 3 at Giza. 

Why are we just talking about the 3 at Giza?

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(11-07-2015, 01:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why are we just talking about the 3 at Giza?

Maybe because those are the ones Carson was referring to when he stated Joseph built them. I doubt he was talking about the one in Teotihuacan,

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(11-07-2015, 01:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why are we just talking about the 3 at Giza?

Because Carson was referring to those 3.

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(11-07-2015, 09:47 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: If you guys wanna debate all those other pyramids, we can do that. But we all know we're talking about the 3 at Giza. 

(11-07-2015, 01:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why are we just talking about the 3 at Giza?

(11-07-2015, 01:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Maybe because those are the ones Carson was referring to when he stated Joseph built them. I doubt he was talking about the one in Teotihuacan,

(11-07-2015, 01:57 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Because Carson was referring to those 3.

http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/archaeology/giza-pyramids/

Quote:The Giza Pyramids, built to endure an eternity, have done just that. The monumental tombs are relics of Egypt's Old Kingdom era and were constructed some 4,500 years ago.

Egypt's pharaohs expected to become gods in the afterlife. To prepare for the next world they erected temples to the gods and massive pyramid tombs for themselves—filled with all the things each ruler would need to guide and sustain himself in the next world.

Pharaoh Khufu began the first Giza pyramid project, circa 2550 B.C. His Great Pyramid is the largest in Giza and towers some 481 feet (147 meters) above the plateau. Its estimated 2.3 million stone blocks each weigh an average of 2.5 to 15 tons.

Khufu's son, Pharaoh Khafre, built the second pyramid at Giza, circa 2520 B.C. His necropolis also included the Sphinx, a mysterious limestone monument with the body of a lion and a pharaoh's head. The Sphinx may stand sentinel for the pharaoh's entire tomb complex.

The third of the Giza Pyramids is considerably smaller than the first two. Built by Pharaoh Menkaure circa 2490 B.C., it featured a much more complex mortuary temple.

Each massive pyramid is but one part of a larger complex, including a palace, temples, solar boat pits, and other features.

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