Quote:“And I’ll tell you what else we’re going to do, we’re going to provide help to the African-American, Latino, Native American community to start businesses to sell legal marijuana rather than let a few corporations control the legalized marijuana market,” Sanders said.
He wants to monopolize the marijuana industry to minorities because he thinks that's the only thing they can do?
How the hell are you people still supporting this psycho?
Imagine if Trump had said that: this board would be up in furry and there would be riots in cities and crowds at the White House trying to hang Trump.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there is more context to this statement that would make it not as much of a problem.
Edit: Ok, yeah, watched the clip. Context here matters. Why was he specifying those groups? Because those are the groups disproportionately affected by the "war on drugs." I highly doubt that is the only plan he has for racial minorities to be helped economically, but focusing on helping those most affected by the unjust policies in this way is, I think, an outstanding idea.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
He wants to monopolize the marijuana industry to minorities because he thinks that's the only thing they can do?
How the hell are you people still supporting this psycho?
Imagine if Trump had said that: this board would be up in furry and there would be riots in cities and crowds at the White House trying to hang Trump.
Why is this ok to all of you?
There are many people who believe minorities face racial inequities when trying to start businesses to sale legalized marijuana in these new markets.
Sanders’ goal is to promote equal opportunities to own these types of businesses. He certainly isn’t trying to establish monopolies along race as you incorrectly surmised.
(02-27-2020, 11:43 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there is more context to this statement that would make it not as much of a problem.
Edit: Ok, yeah, watched the clip. Context here matters. Why was he specifying those groups? Because those are the groups disproportionately affected by the "war on drugs." I highly doubt that is the only plan he has for racial minorities to be helped economically, but focusing on helping those most affected by the unjust policies in this way is, I think, an outstanding idea.
For example: The sentencing disparity of drug convictions between crack and powder cocaine.
(02-27-2020, 11:43 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there is more context to this statement that would make it not as much of a problem.
Edit: Ok, yeah, watched the clip. Context here matters. Why was he specifying those groups? Because those are the groups disproportionately affected by the "war on drugs." I highly doubt that is the only plan he has for racial minorities to be helped economically, but focusing on helping those most affected by the unjust policies in this way is, I think, an outstanding idea.
Ok, unjust policies, so change the laws, but, as I pointed out below, whites use marijuana at a higher rate than minorities, so why would he think minorities can only open weed shops?
Why is he only now concerned about helping minorities open businesses? Is it because he's a racist old guy that thinks only minorities use marijuana and that's the only thing they can sell?
(02-27-2020, 11:57 AM)Dill Wrote: First of all, he didn't say he wants to "monopolize the marijuana industry to minorities."
He said he would help those communities most ravaged by the racist war on drugs--not corporations--get an inside track on the marijuana market.
That's good, not bad.
But Trump daily says things that are really bad while thousands cheer, especially corporations.
He was just acquitted of manifestly impeachable offenses. Little danger of being hanged.
Why is all this ok to you, but Bernie is a "psycho"?
What offenses did Trump commit that were impeachable? There was a lot of money spent to try and impeach him and did a lot of investigation but they couldn't, so seems weird to me that you'd have some inside information that they didn't.
Why wouldn't he have been campaigning to help them open other businesses? Why only marijuana? "That's good, not bad," makes you sound like Bernie when he was talking about people lining up to get bread in socialists countries, so is that good, too?
As I pointed out below, white men use marijuana at a higher rate than minorities, but he only thinks that minorities would be motivated by the idea of selling legal marijuana? Or does he think it will be easier to do? Isn't that racist? Why not other businesses?
(02-27-2020, 12:38 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: There are many people who believe minorities face racial inequities when trying to start businesses to sale legalized marijuana in these new markets.
Sanders’ goal is to promote equal opportunities to own these types of businesses. He certainly isn’t trying to establish monopolies along race as you incorrectly surmised.
So why would starting a business to sell legal marijuana be any different than starting any other business? Does he believe marijuana is a drug for only minorities?
He didn't say he'd make it easier to open a business for marijuana than it would be to open any other business.
(02-27-2020, 04:26 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: What offenses did Trump commit that were impeachable? There was a lot of money spent to try and impeach him and did a lot of investigation but they couldn't, so seems weird to me that you'd have some inside information that they didn't.
Why wouldn't he have been campaigning to help them open other businesses? Why only marijuana? "That's good, not bad," makes you sound like Bernie when he was talking about people lining up to get bread in socialists countries, so is that good, too?
As I pointed out below, white men use marijuana at a higher rate than minorities, but he only thinks that minorities would be motivated by the idea of selling legal marijuana? Or does he think it will be easier to do? Isn't that racist? Why not other businesses?
So why would starting a business to sell legal marijuana be any different than starting any other business? Does he believe marijuana is a drug for only minorities?
To repeat a point made by at least two posters--a racist system of penal control has unfairly targeted the minorities in question. That's why B is proposing programs to help a few of them get started in small businesses peddling a weed whose penalties were formerly used to control them.
The racial targeting--that's why he is pushing this resolution towards minority communities, to help repair that damage, even though "whites use it more." So you are assuming Bernie assumes minorities can only sell drugs, when there is no reason to assume that at all. He made plain his reasons--none of which were "blacks and Latinos are already good at it."
One final point on that subject--he was not campaigning on any restriction of help for minorities to only selling marijuana. You are injecting so much into his statements that is not there.
Regarding Impeachment: According to my inside information, he obstructed justice regarding TWO different investigations (remember when he ordered McCabe to falsify documents?), and abused his presidential power to hijack US foreign policy in hopes of damaging a political rival. His party chose to exonerate him, though a number agreed that he had committed the crimes ascribed to him. One did in fact vote for impeachment--a historical first.
Of course this is the first time this has been mentioned on this message board, so you may not have heard this.
He wants to monopolize the marijuana industry to minorities because he thinks that's the only thing they can do?
How the hell are you people still supporting this psycho?
Imagine if Trump had said that: this board would be up in furry and there would be riots in cities and crowds at the White House trying to hang Trump.
Why is this ok to all of you?
He's not my candidate, but there's a big gap in minority entrepreneurship in the legal cannabis industry, with less than 20% of legal cannabis businesses being minority owned. There's less minorities applying for licenses because minorities are approved for loans at lower rates. There's also states that prevent people with past drug convictions from getting licenses, even as data shows that a minority is more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than a white person, even as marijuana use is nearly identical between the groups.
The article goes into more detail. Hopefully you will check it out and readdress the topic.
(02-27-2020, 04:26 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: so why would he think minorities can only open weed shops?
he only thinks that minorities would be motivated by the idea of selling legal marijuana?
Why's starting a business for marijuana sale their only way to make it a living?
Link to Bernie saying any of these things.
What I heard was him addressing the problems of addressing racism in the criminal justice system. He did not mention other businesses because the question was not about businesses. It was about fixing problems with the criminal justice system, and since minorities were the victims of this system he is addressing things to help them benefit from the new policies.
He never said any of the things you claim he did. I would accuse you of just making it all up, but I don't think you are that smart. Instead you are just repeating what the right wing echo chamber told you to think.
(02-27-2020, 04:26 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Ok, unjust policies, so change the laws, but, as I pointed out below, whites use marijuana at a higher rate than minorities, so why would he think minorities can only open weed shops?
Why is he only now concerned about helping minorities open businesses? Is it because he's a racist old guy that thinks only minorities use marijuana and that's the only thing they can sell?
What offenses did Trump commit that were impeachable? There was a lot of money spent to try and impeach him and did a lot of investigation but they couldn't, so seems weird to me that you'd have some inside information that they didn't.
Why wouldn't he have been campaigning to help them open other businesses? Why only marijuana? "That's good, not bad," makes you sound like Bernie when he was talking about people lining up to get bread in socialists countries, so is that good, too?
As I pointed out below, white men use marijuana at a higher rate than minorities, but he only thinks that minorities would be motivated by the idea of selling legal marijuana? Or does he think it will be easier to do? Isn't that racist? Why not other businesses?
So why would starting a business to sell legal marijuana be any different than starting any other business? Does he believe marijuana is a drug for only minorities?
He didn't say he'd make it easier to open a business for marijuana than it would be to open any other business.
Why not start businesses for anything else? Why's starting a business for marijuana sale their only way to make it a living?
Sanders statement began with the criminal justice system, how people of color are disproportionately affected, criminal justice reform, legalizing marijuana, and then ownership of marijuana dispensaries.
He wasn’t discussing the food industry, legalizing the sale of hamburgers, or helping minorities own fast food restaurants.
He was as discussing a specific topic which is why he mentioned owning a specific type of business.
Had he been discussing small business ownership and only mentioned helping minorities own marijuana dispensaries then your point would be valid. But, since he wasn’t that’s why your point isn’t valid.
Why not start businesses for anything else? Why's starting a business for marijuana sale their only way to make it a living?
Bernie: "I want to help minorities open businesses, as the number of businesses owned in America is disproportionately white people. The reason, based on research, is due to the racial barriers to start up loans among other things. We should start with the legal marijuana business, as I will be legalizing it on the first day of my presidency. I want to make sure that minorities get into the business early before corporations and wealthy white people eat up all the competition."
You: "You hear that guys!?!?! Bernie thinks all minorities are capable of doing is dealing drugs!!!!!"
Just the legal part of the industry is >$10 billion. Projected to top $21 billion by 2021. You don’t think minority entrepreneurs would like to get in on that?
This just sounds like pandering for votes by Bernie Castro. I mean how would this help those communities in all reality? Will there be mass number of ganja shops in a neighborhood?
(02-27-2020, 07:45 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Bernie: "I want to help minorities open businesses, as the number of businesses owned in America is disproportionately white people. The reason, based on research, is due to the racial barriers to start up loans among other things. We should start with the legal marijuana business, as I will be legalizing it on the first day of my presidency. I want to make sure that minorities get into the business early before corporations and wealthy white people eat up all the competition."
You: "You hear that guys!?!?! Bernie thinks all minorities are capable of doing is dealing drugs!!!!!"
Do you see how crazy you look?
Also pretty rich considering his boy implied that African American voters all have nothing to lose (don't have shit) so they should give him a try. The last president isn't named Mike Smith? Must be an African. AOC... Go back to where you came from.
Yes... Bernie is a loud buffoon of an old man, but the view must be amazing from that glass house.
I'm gonna break every record they've got. I'm tellin' you right now. I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but it's goin' to get done.
(02-27-2020, 07:56 PM)Millhouse Wrote: This just sounds like pandering for votes by Bernie Castro. I mean how would this help those communities in all reality? Will there be mass number of ganja shops in a neighborhood?
You don’t live in a state where it’s legal, do you?
I live in a town with a population just under 60k people and there are a dozen dispensaries and the state still limits how many there can be total, so without that regulation the number would probably be higher
Two of them actually have two branches, north side and south side of town.
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