Biden - Approval

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(10-13-2022, 06:55 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Think what you want of me.  I couldn't care less and could say the same in reverse.

Fossil fuels, I am sure, are contributing to unpleasant things as far as the environment go, but actual climate change, nope.  I am certainly a proponent of keeping the earth clean.

EV's have their place.  They are about as green as an ICE vehicle.

Never said anything about your character or, "what people think of you," just that your credibility is shot after a statement like that.

Fossil fuels contribute to a ton of climate-related things and not only is it fact, I've lived it, whether in Alberta or Ontario.

As well, indeed EVs have their place, but just a piece: they are not the future and nor are ICE.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-13-2022, 08:34 PM)hollodero Wrote: Tell me about it. And I have to translate too :)



Yeah, still what you're doing is giving armchair diagnosis too. You either are against doing so or do so yourself. That's what I'd say to all of these speculations about dementia and whatnot, no matter if Trump or Biden are the target. You are not an expert and you don't know. As for comparing him to your friend's aunt, you'd have to be more specific. "The look in his eyes" does not mean anything, and it does not mean someone has to come and tell Biden that he lives in the white house because he thinks he lives in a tent. And that's what demented people do, forget their name, their age, their current residency, who everyone else is, wive husband and children alike, or that they tell the same story again and again, stuff like that. I was in an elder care facility for almost a year. These demented people are more or less mentally gone, could not be left out of someone's sight, they could not lead a normal conversation, they were a danger to themselves and others when left wandering on their own, and no way they could have gone somewhere and read something from a teleprompter even. I'm sure Biden shows certain signs of age and maybe even of decline. But throwing dementia and alzheimer's out there is something quite different.



Again, not here to defend Dem policies or tell you you should like them.




That I consider partially fair critizism. I was taken aback by all these diagnostics or disgrunted family members or Avenatti and Cohen and all the other folks the media threw out there just to shit on Trump or say outlandish things the moderater didn't want to say. No disagreement on that front really.



Oh boy, I feel this is a lost battle, you're too dug in on that one. I would say type Biden interview into youtube and choose any of the suggestions that aren't mean short clips of him misspeaking. Or you could start with all the Democratic debates and the two debates against Trump really. Is Biden coming across as the best candidate ever in those, no. But he knows what he says, where he is and why there's a podium in front of him at all times, hurdles a demented person could already not muster.
Or no matter your thoughts on CNN, take the recent interview with Jake Tapper . Again, I'm not saying what he says in those are brilliant genius things, or even true all the time, and one can tell he was a stutterer once. But his answers are reasonably quick, clear, cohesive, to the point, showing knowledge of the situation at hand and presenting thoughts that are not at all clinically crazy. Not how it'd go with a demented person.

I will also say that Trump never made nearly as much sense in any interviews, but I don't really want to go there.

I'll make this quick cause I'm heading to bed, but I'll post more tomorrow so I can get more thumbs down and barf emojis on my posts.  Ha ha!

You are correct, I am also armchair doctoring.  And the last sentence was supposed to be "not being mean" instead of "being mean", but I'm sure you got that.

I wouldn't say it is a lost battle.  If I'm wrong I'll admit it.  I don't mean scripted interviews with mostly softball questions.   If he is really ok, I want to see him take time say 45 minutes and stand at the podium live with no teleprompter and no cue cards and take a bunch of random questions from a bunch of random reporters and answer the questions at least somewhat coherently.  If you can show me some videos like that within the last year or so I will admit I'm wrong.

My friends Aunt had good days and bad days right up until the day she passed.  It's hard to articulate what I mean in text form.  It's just what I see as far as body language and movement and speed and facial expressions.  Something isn't right in my opinion.

Also sorry I didn't get to the climate change part of your post earlier.  I will try to address that tomorrow.

Have a good night.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-13-2022, 10:58 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Never said anything about your character or, "what people think of you," just that your credibility is shot after a statement like that.

Fossil fuels contribute to a ton of climate-related things and not only is it fact, I've lived it, whether in Alberta or Ontario.

As well, indeed EVs have their place, but just a piece: they are not the future and nor are ICE.

I see, so I have no credibility because I don't agree with the man made climate change narrative.  

Does that mean I now have no credibility on any topic or just man made climate change?   

What's the standard here for "being credible"?  Simply agreeing with everyone and I'm automatically in the credible group?

I agree with you on EV and ICE, but it will take time, decades and maybe centuries and new tech before we can shift away from ICE vehicles and fossil fuels. 

What irreversible, man made climate change did you experience that was caused by fossil fuels?  

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(10-13-2022, 11:24 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I see, so I have no credibility because I don't agree with the man made climate change narrative.  

Does that mean I now have no credibility on any topic or just man made climate change?   

What's the standard here for "being credible"?  Simply agreeing with everyone and I'm automatically in the credible group?

I agree with you on EV and ICE, but it will take time, decades and maybe centuries and new tech before we can shift away from ICE vehicles and fossil fuels. 

What irreversible, man made climate change did you experience that was caused by fossil fuels?  

Just credibility for climate; it would be beyond-presumptuous of me to base everything you say off of that one line.

Fossil fuels will never go away, but they need to be cut down in places where it is feasible, such as public transport (more electric buses and even taxis) and city/municipal vehicles. Hell, even emergency vehicles (but parts and labour would need to be cheaper for it to be feasible) would be fair game.

As for what I've witnessed, in Alberta it was a section of a wetland-ish area where trucking had just started to pick up and it caused a ton of acid rain by the time I moved back to Ontario (admittedly, it was in the, "industrial area," part of Calgary, that was largely untouched before I moved there) and then where I used to live in Maple, acid rain also became a regular occurrence one summer, when dump truck after dump truck were a part of building a school near my house.

The former is irreversable, while the latter was in a residential area, so that's why it lasted just for a summer.

Also, outboard motors on a lake that we cottaged at this year, for the first time since 2008, had seen a bit of damage (it's a popular lake with a lot of boating), including a decreased fish population (though that could be a number of factors, in addition to pollution). This is potentially irreversable.

Now, I will admit that things have absolutely gotten more efficient in the past 20 years, but the effects can be seen.

[CarolinaBengalFanGuy]

(10-13-2022, 05:54 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Student Debt Relief is probably the biggest. The student loan forgiveness plan was more than just forgiving debt, though that was a huge help to the average person. The plan also caps the amount borrowers need to pay at 5% of their discretionary monthly income, cutting it from the 10% that it was at. After 20 years, your loan would be forgiven but they have now dropped that to 10 years, as long as the balance is less than $12k. Monthly interest is covered, so if you are making your monthly payments, your balance will not grow. 

The infrastructure bill fits the ticket, in my opinion, though others may disagree. There are a handful of projects in my city that are being kicked off that are funded by this bill. One is a major bridge repair that has been needed for quite some time. The bridge has been out of commission.

Some may argue the gun safety bill, but I am honestly not super educated on it so I will refrain. It was a bipartisan bill, though. In fact, several of these were, but they aren't targeted towards the average person. Stuff like the CHIPS Act, PACT Act, Inflation Reduction Act (has some stuff that affects the normal person, like establishing a $35 cap on insulin supply for the month). 

Interesting. My loan from when I didn't finish my degree when I left in 2012, but I went back to Tech school and got another degree after that. Mine went into default because I never officially called and set up the 0% interest non payments from the time when I was either not working at all or working a minimum wage part time job. When does that 10 years come into effect? I would say 90 if not 100% of my current loan debt is from 2012 earlier.

Personally I was in the you should pay your own debts but then I never even finished so it sucks to spend years paying back that loan for getting nothing. Because tech school almost costs nothing. Absolutely glad I only did 2 years at my major school or I'd be in an even bigger hole.


On a side note it seems like a lot of the big money deals like infrastructure always have a lot of bullshit built into them. I think people claimed gender studies blah blah something I didn't read it just heard it on the news so that particular example could be BS. I also am positive that kind of crap goes both ways. I wish we could somehow limit how long a person can be involved in government and have things in place to keep people from taking all this money which I know a lot goes towards actual good things, but I can't imagine how much everyone skims off of it for their own personal gains.

[Arturo Bandini]

(10-13-2022, 11:24 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I see, so I have no credibility because I don't agree with the man made climate change narrative.  

Does that mean I now have no credibility on any topic or just man made climate change?   

What's the standard here for "being credible"?  Simply agreeing with everyone and I'm automatically in the credible group?

I agree with you on EV and ICE, but it will take time, decades and maybe centuries and new tech before we can shift away from ICE vehicles and fossil fuels. 

What irreversible, man made climate change did you experience that was caused by fossil fuels?  

It has nothing to do with credibility, it just says, if it doesn't affect me, I don't care.

That's a common point with conservatives, they only have empathy for themselves. 

[*pally*]

(10-13-2022, 05:54 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Student Debt Relief is probably the biggest. The student loan forgiveness plan was more than just forgiving debt, though that was a huge help to the average person. The plan also caps the amount borrowers need to pay at 5% of their discretionary monthly income, cutting it from the 10% that it was at. After 20 years, your loan would be forgiven but they have now dropped that to 10 years, as long as the balance is less than $12k. Monthly interest is covered, so if you are making your monthly payments, your balance will not grow. 

The infrastructure bill fits the ticket, in my opinion, though others may disagree. There are a handful of projects in my city that are being kicked off that are funded by this bill. One is a major bridge repair that has been needed for quite some time. The bridge has been out of commission.

Some may argue the gun safety bill, but I am honestly not super educated on it so I will refrain. It was a bipartisan bill, though. In fact, several of these were, but they aren't targeted towards the average person. Stuff like the CHIPS Act, PACT Act, Inflation Reduction Act (has some stuff that affects the normal person, like establishing a $35 cap on insulin supply for the month). 

I would also add the cap on medical insurance costs through the ACA.

As someone who takes a $9000/month medication and is on Medicare, the cap on out of pocket prescription cost will put $7000/year back into my pocket. Just that amount for me is life changing. It will give me a bit of breathing room every month. And will be the same for 100’s of thousands of other disabled persons

Republican politicians like the compare the Us to other 1st world counties when it comes to the abortion question. Well, the US is the only country that allows healthcare or lack of healthcare to financially destroy people

[CarolinaBengalFanGuy]

(10-13-2022, 06:09 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You are correct in that Hochul deliberately signed into bills into law that the SCOTUS had just literally declared unconstitutional.  Hopefully this, plus her abysmal record on crime will cost her with the voters next month, but this is unlikely as NYC is too blue and populous.  You can be a piece of garbage in a suit, but as long as you have a "D" next your name you're good.  Of course the same is true for having an "R" next to your name in say Alabama.  It's refreshing when we can call out the hypocrisy of both sides.

Lindsay Graham - R

for example lol

[CarolinaBengalFanGuy]

(10-14-2022, 05:52 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: It has nothing to do with credibility, it just says, if it doesn't affect me, I don't care.

That's a common point with conservatives, they only have empathy for themselves. 

You see and some liberals took advantage of that don't care attitude in the pursuit of equality and ran way too hard with it.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-13-2022, 11:51 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Just credibility for climate; it would be beyond-presumptuous of me to base everything you say off of that one line.

Fossil fuels will never go away, but they need to be cut down in places where it is feasible, such as public transport (more electric buses and even taxis) and city/municipal vehicles. Hell, even emergency vehicles (but parts and labour would need to be cheaper for it to be feasible) would be fair game.

As for what I've witnessed, in Alberta it was a section of a wetland-ish area where trucking had just started to pick up and it caused a ton of acid rain by the time I moved back to Ontario (admittedly, it was in the, "industrial area," part of Calgary, that was largely untouched before I moved there) and then where I used to live in Maple, acid rain also became a regular occurrence one summer, when dump truck after dump truck were a part of building a school near my house.

The former is irreversable, while the latter was in a residential area, so that's why it lasted just for a summer.

Also, outboard motors on a lake that we cottaged at this year, for the first time since 2008, had seen a bit of damage (it's a popular lake with a lot of boating), including a decreased fish population (though that could be a number of factors, in addition to pollution). This is potentially irreversable.

Now, I will admit that things have absolutely gotten more efficient in the past 20 years, but the effects can be seen.

So we actually agree on most things it seems.  I am all for transitioning to cleaner, more environmentally friendly energy sources as new tech permits and if done with careful planning and common sense.  I am not for polluting the earth.

As decades go by and new tech emerges I am sure we will get to the point where we can significantly reduce fossil fuel use, or at least I hope so.

What I don't believe is this immediate "we are all going to die unless" push to green and villainizing of fossil fuels that is impossible to achieve and does nothing but further crush the average US citizen who is already getting destroyed by the 100% avoidable failures (long term lockdowns) of our leaders here in the US and around the world.  I simply do not believe there is man made climate change that is going to end the world.  Wind and solar are just as "dirty" and rely on fossil fuels.  Battery production is awful for the environment.  Practically every aspect of "green" tech is created by and maintained by fossil fuels.

I live in a very, very rural area.  I always laugh when I see a huge semi hauling a single wind turbine blade escorted by 2 state police and at least 2-3 big diesel trucks.  that's just to get one blade to a single spot.

Thank you for the specific examples.

I think we are closer than you would believe on climate.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-14-2022, 06:00 AM)pally Wrote: I would also add the cap on medical insurance costs through the ACA.  

As someone who takes a $9000/month medication and is on Medicare, the cap on out of pocket prescription cost will put $7000/year back into my pocket.  Just that amount for me is life changing. It will give me a bit of breathing room every month. And will be the same for 100’s of thousands of other disabled persons

Republican politicians like the compare the Us to other 1st world counties when it comes to the abortion question.  Well, the US is the only country that allows healthcare or lack of healthcare to financially destroy people

I am glad that is going to help you financially.

The bigger question, imo, is why does a medication cost 9k a month?  

I'm pretty sure I have seen articles showing Big Pharma charging much more for the same drugs in the US than in other Contries.

[GMDino]

(10-14-2022, 08:38 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I am glad that is going to help you financially.

The bigger question, imo, is why does a medication cost 9k a month?  

I'm pretty sure I have seen articles showing Big Pharma charging much more for the same drugs in the US than in other Contries.

Capitalism?

But also, as with most things that are horrible wrong in this country, it started with Reagan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1980/11/21/reagan-urged-to-lift-price-lid-on-us-drug-purchases/900b07da-c5bc-43fc-99c8-8d52b5dc2ff4/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/upshot/reagan-deregulation-and-americas-exceptional-rise-in-health-care-costs.html

So really it's just unregulated capitalism and a push to "allow" businesses to make more money so they could trickle it down to their employees...which of course didn't happen and instead encouraged profit over people and the destruction of the middle class over four decades.

But he did like jelly beans and smiled a lot so he had that going for him I guess.

Edit to add that things like this, greed, also add to those costs.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-11-30/lazarus-healthcare-insulin-prices

Take a free patent, play the game to keep raising the prices, get multiple levels of people trying to squeeze money out of it, and screw the end usuer who needs the drug to stay alive.

God Bless America!

[KillerGoose]

(10-14-2022, 05:03 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Interesting. My loan from when I didn't finish my degree when I left in 2012, but I went back to Tech school and got another degree after that. Mine went into default because I never officially called and set up the 0% interest non payments from the time when I was either not working at all or working a minimum wage part time job. When does that 10 years come into effect? I would say 90 if not 100% of my current loan debt is from 2012 earlier.

Personally I was in the you should pay your own debts but then I never even finished so it sucks to spend years paying back that loan for getting nothing. Because tech school almost costs nothing. Absolutely glad I only did 2 years at my major school or I'd be in an even bigger hole.


On a side note it seems like a lot of the big money deals like infrastructure always have a lot of bullshit built into them. I think people claimed gender studies blah blah something I didn't read it just heard it on the news so that particular example could be BS. I also am positive that kind of crap goes both ways. I wish we could somehow limit how long a person can be involved in government and have things in place to keep people from taking all this money which I know a lot goes towards actual good things, but I can't imagine how much everyone skims off of it for their own personal gains.

If the loan you received was a federal loan, it is likely that it is eligible to be forgiven via the debt relief act that was passed. I'd do some looking into it, if you haven't already. I believe the new 10 year cap is for folks taking out loans now and in the future, but I could be wrong. 

As far as the infrastructure bill, I am not aware of any bloat, but I could be wrong. Here is what I am aware of...

$110b for roads and bridges
$66b for railroads
$65b for power grid upgrades
$65b for broadband internet access
$55b for water infrastructure
$50b for cybersecurity and climate change protections
$39b for public transit
$25b for airports
$21b for environmental clean up
$17b for ports
$11b for safety appropriations along highways, pipelines, pedestrian pathways etc.
$8b for western water infrastructure
$7.5b for EV charging stations
$7.5b for EV school buses

..and then the rest of the bill comes from bunding that is normally allocated towards infrastructure each year. This bill allocates about $500b extra over the entire lifespan. Maybe I am missing something, somewhere, but I have never been aware of any bloat or frivolous spending like "gender studies". The fact that it was bipartisan is also a pretty good sign in regard to that - I don't believe Republicans would have allowed it through if it had that spending written into it. 

[Dill]

(10-13-2022, 06:32 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I'm a huge proponent of American infrastructure!!!  My understanding though is that infrastructure is just a small part of the bill and that there was quite a bit of pork in it.  I would very much like to see bills stand on their own merit and not be 1000 page impossible to read works.

Second link doesn't work.  Maybe i'm wrong, but it looks like more handouts for the poor.

If the Veterans bill is legit like you listed than I definitely support that also.

I think this link works.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210624/Biden-quietly-transforms-Medicaid-safety-net.aspx

Here is an interesting quote, therefrom:

The Biden administration seems unlikely to achieve what remains the holy grail for Medicaid advocates: getting 12 holdout states, including Texas and Florida, to expand Medicaid coverage to low-income working-age adults through the Affordable Care Act....
Mounting evidence shows that expanded Medicaid coverage improves enrollees' health, as surveys and mortality data in recent years have identified greater health improvements in states that expanded Medicaid through the 2010 health law versus states that did not.
In addition to removing Medicaid restrictions imposed by Trump administration officials, the Biden administration has backed a series of expansions to broaden eligibility and add services enrollees can receive.

I'll bet there are thousands in these red states complaining about Dems and pledging to vote Republican because they aren't receiving any good from the ACA so it was all a fraud gimmick to get votes.

You asked in another post why medical treatment and prescriptions cost so much in the U.S.  

Those prices will drop if we just cut more taxes on Big Pharma, as oil prices dropped when we cut taxes on Exxon et al.
In any case, that's the solution you'll be voting for if you vote Republican in the next two elections.

[Belsnickel]

(10-14-2022, 08:38 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I am glad that is going to help you financially.

The bigger question, imo, is why does a medication cost 9k a month?  

I'm pretty sure I have seen articles showing Big Pharma charging much more for the same drugs in the US than in other Contries.

The answer here is that certain politicians refuse to allow legislation to pass that would lower prescription costs for Americans. Because of the lack of regulation on pharmaceuticals, many companies jack up the price for the American market to make up for not being able to in others. Other countries don't put up with it, but our lawmakers won't do anything about it.

[Dill]

(10-13-2022, 04:43 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Sending out mass mail in ballots is ripe for fraud.  That's just 1st grade level common sense.  I understand some states do it well, but they also have their process down well, voting records cleaned up and have been doing it for a long time.

Our elections are very insecure.  No signature verification.  Lax auditing.  Again, millions of vote by mail ballots sent out last election that were not asked for and verified.

Trump was leading by a lot late into the night then all of a sudden hundred s of thousands of votes come in for Biden.

I'm not saying the election was stolen.  I could see where Biden could win.  81M votes.  I'll never believe that, EVER, but I do see how Biden could have won a close election.

I can also see how people would certainly question the election.  Plenty of weirdness to question and plenty of chances for fraud with such an insecure system.

M-poo I'm interested in where your info about election insecurity comes from. I show my signature every time I vote in PA. 

Where is the "lax auditing"? How many states had triple recounts the last election? Even Cybermonkeys found that Biden won AZ by more votes than originally credited him. Ballots sent to people who did not ask for them could certainly invite fraud--by people who don't realize that their votes will still be audited. But it wouldn't work.

The phenomena of Trump leading late into the night and losing in the morning was explained BEFORE the election by people like MSNBC's Kondrake--Dems tend to use mail in ballots, which are counted later. Then it happened as predicted.

I can see how people would question the election too--if leaders of their party planned ahead of time to declare victory, win or lose, and then claimed the election was stolen. Those tactics won't work with Democrats, but they will where the bulk of the party has been weaned away from "fake news" to place deep faith in the words of a Dear Leader, their ultimate authority. 

That RMW-engineered inversion of trust shines through the bolded below.

(10-13-2022, 04:43 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: All that coupled with 95% of the MSM literally turning into propaganda content for the Dems, twisting and manipulating anything Trump said and a completely fabricated Russia hoax meant to take down a political opponent and then used to try and remove a sitting Prez (that would be an actual coup attempt fyi) and I can understand why people view things the way they do.

Add to that the Dems only goal appears to be to restrict people's constitutional rights, convince people to believe in fairy tales or be canceled, tear down statues, rename everything because they are offended by anything and everything, etc, etc.

Trumps an absolute jackass and I hope he doesn't run, but he ran this Country a million times better than the dude whose mind is so effed up at this point he is not even allowed to/can't answer questions from the media.  and even then when he does do a scripted softball interview it is a nightmare anyway and a bunch of walking back.

It's hysterical to watch some say Trump was an embarrassment and in the next breath say Biden is respected.  I cannot type that with out laughing.  Biden is the laughing stock of the world and it has nothing to do with Trump or Repubs.

End rant/    And your welcome for all my words of wisdom.    

No one "fabricated" a "Russia Hoax." You are just taking the word of Trump and minions over the careful work of professional journalists like those of WaPo and the NYT.  No one used a "hoax" to "remove a sitting president" anywhere but in Trump tweets and Fox/Newsmax/Oann "news" programs.

Virtually every legitimated and documented complaint made about the MAGA leader was/is within a month inverted and projected back on the Dems and MSM. He wasn't "following the science"? No that's the Dems now. He sought to remain in power through a coup? No! the "actual" coup was the FBI listening to Russian spies talking to the Trump campaign. "Obama wire tapp!"  Benghazi was political theater to drive down Hillary's poll numbers? No! That's the Jan. 6 investigation into the president who coordinated the RNC and an armed mob to prevent Biden's certification. Fox is the propaganda arm of the GOP, with Trump calling in and picking staff from Fox and talking to their journalists every night, personally shaping their editorial process? No the MSM is the propaganda arm of the Dems because it only discusses Republican coup attempts and Trump's sexual assault accusations or racist remarks. Our first world allies are shocked and disturbed by Trump's erratic behavior and ignorance of diplomacy, history and politics in addition to long, unfocused and rambling speeches? NO! They are really distressed because a normal, experienced, civil and responsible politician stumbles over words sometimes (and the occasional stair) possibly because of advanced age, while actually explaining policy in speeches that move systematically from sub topic to subtopic. 

[Dill]

(10-12-2022, 02:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: How did Trump know they were armed? Wasn't it only 6 people? Did they wave their guns in the air or did they talk to him beforehand?

Why didn't they use their weapons?

Even if he did know they were armed, HE TOLD THEM TO DO GO PEACEFULLY!

Also, define radical and explain how he knew that they were radical.

LOL Hollo relies on summaries, so I guess I'd better answer this one.

The "armed crowd" issue came up because the rally was cordoned off so that people gathering before Trump had to
go through magnetic detectors or "mags."

The SS noticed that large numbers of people were unwilling to through the mags. Some were searched and their 
weapons confiscated, including a semi-automatic rifle. SS also noted oddities like someone in a tree with a rifle and handgun.

When the ss warned Trump of the danger, THAT's when he said "Let them through." They were "his" people and the guns weren't for him. (Later, when McCarthy pushed him to call off "his people," Trump insisted they were ANTIFA and he had no control over them, as he watched the Confederate and Trump flags flow over the broken glass and through police lines into the Capitol. The "ANTIFA" were more upset about the election than McCarthy, is how Trump saw it.) 

That mass outside the mags apparently still went with the crowd to the Capitol.

Obviously the crowd did use weapons. You probably want to know why they weren't shooting. That's not so easy to say. We are only
now getting communications from the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, instructing them to bring weapons, 180 rounds for long guns and 50 rounds for handguns, etc. They had stashes of grenades, pipe bombs, and firearms around DC and NoVa, possibly expecting a "second push."

Their stated goal, as the SS had been warned, was for armed insurrectionists to outnumber law enforcement. It's possible that they
never reached critical mass. Most never heard Trump's injunction to overturn the government "peacefully" because they were already at the Capitol, ready to smash doors and further incite the crowd to mob Congress.

There are still many unclarities about this--e.g., Oath keeper contact with Roger Stone and communication with SS. Could WH rally coordinators have warned them off? If we don't find out before midterms, we'll probably never know. We'll be off on the investigation of Shiff and Pelosi for the Jan. 6 "hoax." 

[Arturo Bandini]

Decency, they said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-schools-send-parents-dna-kits-identify-kids-bodies-emergencies-rcna52887?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

[BigPapaKain]

(10-19-2022, 12:43 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Decency, they said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-schools-send-parents-dna-kits-identify-kids-bodies-emergencies-rcna52887?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Stay classy, Texas.

[*Nately120*]

(10-19-2022, 12:43 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Decency, they said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-schools-send-parents-dna-kits-identify-kids-bodies-emergencies-rcna52887?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Sure, ID them as my kid so I can be harassed and threatened by Alex Jones' cult the rest of my miserable life...no thank you.

(wait...this is a thread about Biden's approval rating?)