Biden SOTU

[*Nately120*]

(02-08-2023, 04:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Got any clips from early in his long and storied career that demonstrate that claim?

I don't think he meant that as a compliment.

[basballguy]

(02-08-2023, 04:18 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: President Biden doesn't have early stages of dementia, he's displayed this pattern of speech his whole career.  Let a life, nice try LMAO!    

If anyone does it's Trump.  Trump can't even complete a sentence without going off on some tangent and completely forgetting what he was originally talking about... His whole life, it's just he's always the victim of being cheated outta something.  Also, Trump wears adult diapers b/c he craps his pants 3-times a day. 

Its entertaining when people bring up Trump when he's not even part of the conversation.  If that's all you got then I'll be happy to just skip over your posts in the future.  

Now back to Biden and the SOTU.....

So you're saying, Biden, throughout his career, always blundered public speaking appearances?  You sound like someone that might not be old enough to actually remember when Biden was VP and he was actually coherent in his public appearances.   

Last night wasn't as bad as some of his other appearances but you're fooling yourself if you don't think he's missing a few screws at his old age.  

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(02-08-2023, 04:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Got any clips from early in his long and storied career that demonstrate that claim?

Sure, and so can you Google Joe Biden's stutter...  I find it very sad some of you folks want to pick on someone with a disability, that says a whole bunch about your personal self-esteem. 

Also, I can post a 100 clips of Trump claiming of being the victim of being cheated and planting the seeds of his Big Lie.  When Trump lost the Iowa and Ohio primaries to Ted Cruz and John Kasich, Trump claimed it was all rigged and he was cheated. 

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it over and over people with eventually start to believe it- Nazi minister of propaganda Joseph Goebbels on how to promote the Final Solution of the extermination of the Jews.  

[SunsetBengal]

(02-08-2023, 04:45 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: Sure, and so can you Google Joe Biden's stutter...  I find it very sad some of you folks want to pick on someone with a disability, that says a whole bunch about your personal self-esteem. 

Also, I can post a 100 clips of Trump claiming of being the victim of being cheated and planting the seeds of his Big Lie.  When Trump lost the Iowa and Ohio primaries to Ted Cruz and John Kasich, Trump claimed it was all rigged and he was cheated. 

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it over and over people with eventually start to believe it- Nazi minister of propaganda Joseph Goebbels on how to promote the Final Solution of the extermination of the Jews.  

How come you're the only one talking about Trump, in a Joe Biden thread?  Please try to stay on topic..

[basballguy]

(02-08-2023, 04:25 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: Well the GOP does in fact want to do away with SSI and Medicare/ Medicaid and they sure didn't like being called out on it.

Sen. Ron Johnson and Sen. Mike Lee both have called for the entitlement programs of Social Security and Medicare to be uprooted. At 2:51 into the video GOP Senator Mike Lee says exactly that. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5th1c4dsD28



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/yes-some-republican-senators-are-talking-openly-about-social-security-cuts-11667576391



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There's a huge difference between making cuts and ending the programs.  Nobody wants to end those programs.  That's why they booed...it's a straight falsehood.  (not that i agree with the booing)

[*Nately120*]

(02-08-2023, 04:45 PM)basballguy Wrote: Its entertaining when people bring up Trump when he's not even part of the conversation. 

Trump is always part of the conversation.  Biden's main feature is that is isn't Trump.  Trump won in 2016, he ran in 2020, he's running for 2024 and we don't even know what he'll be up to in 2028 and onward.

Liberals are talking about Trump, conservatives are talking about Trump, the rest of the world is talking about Trump.  Trump has become the thorn in the side of both political parties now...the guy is the alpha and omega of all things political.  Trump owns the 2024 election...he can blow the entire thing sky high for either party with a single sentence. 

There is one man on this planet who can guarantee a second term for Biden, and it ain't Biden.

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(02-08-2023, 04:54 PM)basballguy Wrote: There's a huge difference between making cuts and ending the programs.  Nobody wants to end those programs.  That's why they booed...it's a straight falsehood.  (not that i agree with the booing)

So when GOP Senator Mike Lee says those social entitlement programs such as SSI and Medicare need to be uprooted you think he just means they need to be cut back? To "Up Root," means to be removed and destroyed not simply cut back.  

Wisconsin GOP Sen. Ron Johnson said, "Social Security needs to be put on the chopping block."  

Don't try and spin it, b/c it is what it is. 

[*Nately120*]

(02-08-2023, 04:54 PM)basballguy Wrote: There's a huge difference between making cuts and ending the programs.  Nobody wants to end those programs.  That's why they booed...it's a straight falsehood.  (not that i agree with the booing)

I think they want to end those programs, but they know that those programs are popular with voters so they can't.  One may argue their flirtation with and marketing of the glories of authoritarianism may be a key step in their plan to be able to do things like this and suffer zero consequences related to voting, however.

This is the reason stuff like this takes hold...well, I think the government needs more power when it comes to limiting the bad things other people have, but they'd never dare to use their unlimited power to take away something their supporters like!

Even without some sort of one-party system, they can probably eventually cut and snip at it until it's functionally defunct as they are trying with other social programs, public schools, public libraries, etc.  They could have an effective long term plan to hamstring things and then say "Look how inefficient and wasteful it is.  Let us remove them and we will totally replace them with something awesome within the next 2 weeks."

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(02-08-2023, 08:38 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I think they want to end those programs, but they know that those programs are popular with voters so they can't.  One may argue their flirtation with and marketing of the glories of authoritarianism may be a key step in their plan to be able to do things like this and suffer zero consequences related to voting, however.

This is the reason stuff like this takes hold...well, I think the government needs more power when it comes to limiting the bad things other people have, but they'd never dare to use their unlimited power to take away something their supporters like!

Even without some sort of one-party system, they can probably eventually cut and snip at it until it's functionally defunct as they are trying with other social programs, public schools, public libraries, etc.  They could have an effective long term plan to hamstring things and then say "Look how inefficient and wasteful it is.  Let us remove them and we will totally replace them with something awesome within the next 2 weeks."

The GOP fought these programs tooth and nail when they were implemented in the first place.   Ron Reagan was quoted as saying, "The most frightening words you could ever hear are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" 

These are socialist based programs in nature hence socialism, so yes it goes against everything the GOP is about no matter how much it helps the American people.  However, the fact is you'll never see any of the GOP sending their checks back to the SSI fund b/c they don't believe in it. 

[GMDino]

(02-08-2023, 07:44 PM)BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI Wrote: So when GOP Senator Mike Lee says those social entitlement programs such as SSI and Medicare need to be uprooted you think he just means they need to be cut back? To "Up Root," means to be removed and destroyed not simply cut back.  

Wisconsin GOP Sen. Ron Johnson said, "Social Security needs to be put on the chopping block."  

Don't try and spin it, b/c it is what it is. 

And Rick Scott (thief/defrauder/Florida man) said ALL federal programs should sunset after five years and if they are good programs congress will just vote for them again.

Which is the conman's way of saying he'd jet let it end (along with the ACA and other "socialist" programs) and hope no one votes to continue it.

But its all moot now because the gop loudly cheered when their President, Biden, got them to agree that that was off the table when it came to the debt ceiling.

[*Nately120*]

(02-08-2023, 08:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: But its all moot now because the gop loudly cheered when their President, Biden, got them to agree that that was off the table when it came to the debt ceiling.

Yeah, they got baited by a senile old man.  Sad.

I feel like MTG could be kidnapped if you drove up to her in a big white windowless van with FREE FREEDOM written on the side, though.

[XenoMorph]

(02-08-2023, 01:01 AM)Nately120 Wrote: 2020 was Biden or Trump and people picked Biden.  Sadly, 2024 is shaping up to be Biden or Trump again.  Most people don't buy into Biden all that much, but they'll take your standard crap status quo politician over Trump (well, unless that standard crap politician is Hilary).

I think the 2022 midterms have elevated Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro to national players for the presidency, but it seems like it's the Biden and Trump show until further notice.

dont think they let biden run again...

He just told everyone the country was doomed.  

[*Nately120*]

(02-09-2023, 10:13 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: dont think they let biden run again...

He just told everyone the country was doomed.  

Everyone seems to think the country is doomed, so I guess he's on point there.  

[Dill]

(02-07-2023, 11:47 PM)basballguy Wrote: The only word that comes to mind is senile.  Dude cannot pronounce simple words, forget what he's saying, and just talks very nonsensical.  I'm not sure how anyone buys into what this guy says.

???  MJT certainly isn't buying what this guy says.

I saw him manage a mass of hecklers who were claiming that NONE of them NEVER NO WAY EVER wanted to restrict or "uproot" Medicare and Soc. Security, which ended with the entire opposing party standing standing with the Dems in agreement they would not touch that stuff. First time I've seen a president win a negotiation DURING a State of the Union speech.

I saw him remind Americans of how federal investment was improving infrastructure. And wasn't there some good news for diabetics and seniors who need hearing aids? That's the kind of nonsense seniors like me like to hear.

I believe he spoke for an energetic 73 minutes. 

Not a word about his son's laptop, though. When are we FINALLY going to get the bottom of that? 
MAGA Repubs are on it though. Answers any day now.

[Dill]

(02-08-2023, 08:59 PM)GMDino Wrote: And Rick Scott (thief/defrauder/Florida man) said ALL federal programs should sunset after five years and if they are good programs congress will just vote for them again.

Which is the conman's way of saying he'd jet let it end (along with the ACA and other "socialist" programs) and hope no one votes to continue it.

But its all moot now because the gop loudly cheered when their President, Biden, got them to agree that that was off the table when it came to the debt ceiling.

Scott is on Fox right now affirming that Biden LIED about the GOP and medicare. Plus Biden lies about medicare on his tax returns.
And  they showed a clip of Biden saying SS was "on the table" during budget cuts negotiations back in 2011. 

Sure, Scott DID want to expose SS and Med to sunset risk, but he was doing that for ALL government programs, not just them.
People do that in Business and he is a business man.  That's all. 

the banner below all this reads:
Scott responds to Biden's debunked medicare claim.


So evidently Fox commentators don't believe the claim that "some" Republicans have indeed advocated for "uprooting" the programs or
putting them at risk. "Joe lied" could become a Fox truth now, like Biden stole the election, made billions from Hunter Biden deals, and opened the border to drug traffickers.