Biden Separating Migrant Children

[BFritz21]

More hypocrisy from the Biden administration and from the left in general, but does that surprise anyone?

The left publicly blasted, I mean BLASTED, Trump for separating children from their families at the border and putting them in "tent cities," with some people mentioning it the same as things as bad as concentration camps. They called Trump a ruthless dictator who was abusing his power, even though the practice of separating children from their families started under Obama.

The hypocrisy continues with Biden separating children from their families and detaining them, but it's not brutal or inhumane because Biden is putting them in "soft-sided" structures!



It's sad that our country has become so one-sided and driven by the media, emotion, and pre-determined opinions that this is ok:

Quote:President Joe Biden’s administration is reopening a facility to house migrant children that can accommodate up to 700.

The Department of Health and Human Services released a statement on Tuesday announcing the reopened facility, which it called a “temporary Influx Care Facility.”

“Initially, the Carrizo Springs ICF will accommodate approximately 700 children in hard-sided structures. Additional semi-permanent (soft-sided) capacity may be added if necessary, though ORR will always prioritize placing children in hard-sided structures over semi-permanent structures,” the statement said.

“Semi-permanent (soft-sided) capacity” is a euphemism for “tent.”

The New York Post reminded readers that the “Trump administration faced considerable criticism over its use of temporary shelters, also known as ‘tent cities,’ in towns across the southern border.”

Multiple outlets excoriated the Trump administration for the tents, reporting the facilities were a waste of money. NBC News reported in June 2018, “Separating migrant kids from their parents will cost the administration more than placing them in permanent structures or keeping them with their parents.”

The sustained criticism of the Trump administration began when a photo and article about kids being kept in cages was circulated on social media to claim then-President Donald Trump was heartless. The photo and the article were actually from 2014, when Barack Obama was president. Nevertheless, Democrats and their media supporters used the migrant facilities as a cudgel against the Trump administration, blasting it for separating kids from families.

The children were separated because they entered the country along with their parents, who were detained for the crime. Instead of sending the children to prison with their parents, the kids were sent to the temporary facilities, which quickly filled up when the economy began to improve.

The HHS’s Office of Refugee Resettlement also said in its statement that it “is mindful of these children’s vulnerability, and our priority is the safety and wellbeing of each child in our care. HHS anticipates the need to start placing children at Carrizo Springs in 15 days or soon after.”

The media is not treating the Biden administration the same way it treated the Trump administration. The New York Times this week reported on the situation with an article titled, “Separated Families: A Legacy Biden Has Inherited From Trump.” The outlet reported that separated families are now demanding “restitution, mental health services and green cards as compensation.”

The Obama administration also separated families, and in 2019, Sam Vinograd, a former member of Obama’s National Security Council, defended her former boss’ policy, saying the separations were “for their protection.”

“When President Obama separated children from their families, Wolf, or from adults, Wolf, it was for their protection. It was if there was a risk of trafficking or other kind of harm that might have been incurred,” Vinograd said to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “But even if he did do that, why is Donald Trump saying that two wrongs make a right? Again, Obama wasn’t wrong, but so he’s saying that because something happened under President Obama, he’s repeating it and upping the ante. That’s an incredibly poor excuse. He’s systemized that inhumane treatment that, again, Obama was doing to protect the children.”

There is zero evidence that absolutely every separation under Obama was to get children away from traffickers and absolutely every separation under Trump was done for whatever racist intentions the media impugns onto Trump. In fact, a Senate report from January 2016, while Obama was still president, found that the Department of Health and Human Services had actually given more than a dozen immigrant children to human traffickers because it failed to adequately conduct background checks.

When Trump did it, he was a dictator, but Biden does it and gets a free pass?

I'm in a rush so I can't share all my opinions on this, but I can't be the only one that sees how stupid this is, right?

[CKwi88]

How many kids are there now?

Are they separated from their families?

[Benton]

There is a slight, significant difference.

Trump was criticized for knowingly separating children from families and sending them to camps; this facility is reopening to handle kids being sent unaccompanied over the boarder. Also, trump was separating kids of single digits age, this facility is for teens only.

[Belsnickel]

(02-08-2021, 03:48 PM)Benton Wrote: There is a slight, significant difference.

Trump was criticized for knowingly separating children from families and sending them to camps; this facility is reopening to handle kids being sent unaccompanied over the boarder. Also, trump was separating kids of single digits age, this facility is for teens only.

Nuance is for suckers.

Edit: Just wanted to add, because after looking at some real news sources on the topic I saw the same thing you just shared, that part of this is also due to decreasing the maximum capacities at these facilities because of the COVID restrictions. So, we have the fact that the minors are older, came unaccompanied (i.e. not separated from their families) and are being kept there out of health concerns. Whereas the Trump administration policy was separating much younger children from their families that they crossed over with and the policy was intended to be a deterrent.

[Arturo Bandini]

Just another brilliant thread ...

[BmorePat87]

HHS announced that a facility would be used to house an overflow unaccompanied immigrant children appearing at the border, not for children being separated from their families. So off the bat, the article you posted (which is from a trash website) does not support the title of this thread nor do the facts.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/migrant-children-facility-immigration/index.html

Trump was criticized for having a policy that purposefully separated children from their parents for no other reason than to deter them from coming to the US. This even happened when parents legally sought asylum. That was called the zero tolerance policy.

The Obama administration separated children from parents accused of violent crimes or when they believed the adult was a trafficker.

[Dill]

(02-08-2021, 02:44 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: More hypocrisy from the Biden administration and from the left in general, but does that surprise anyone?

The left publicly blasted, I mean BLASTED, Trump for separating children from their families at the border and putting them in "tent cities," with some people mentioning it the same as things as bad as concentration camps.  They called Trump a ruthless dictator who was abusing his power, even though the practice of separating children from their families started under Obama.

The hypocrisy continues with Biden separating children from their families and detaining them, but it's not brutal or inhumane because Biden is putting them in "soft-sided" structures!



It's sad that our country has become so one-sided and driven by the media, emotion, and pre-determined opinions that this is ok:

When Trump did it, he was a dictator, but Biden does it and gets a free pass?

I'm in a rush so I can't share all my opinions on this, but I can't be the only one that sees how stupid this is, right?

Below are some examples of "the Left" blasting Trump's immigration policies. Many of the complaints center on his attempts to deny the right of asylum to legal claimants and to deliberately separate children from parents to scare away potential immigrants.  Obama did not do that.

How does one respond to these differences in policy in a manner which is not "driven by the media, emotion and pre-determined opinions that this is ok"?

For Trump, Cruelty Is the Point
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/for-trump-cruelty-is-the-point/

Without needing to change any laws, the White House has used the threat of gang violence and the need to protect national security as pretexts for draconian immigration policies. Yet the real aim has always been something else: to inflict maximum suffering as a means of pushing out unwanted newcomers as well as those whose extended presence in the country may threaten white supremacy.

The Cruelty Is the Point: President Trump and his supporters find community by rejoicing in the suffering of those they hate and fear.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/

The Trump era is such a whirlwind of cruelty that it can be hard to keep track. This week alone, the news broke that the Trump administration was seeking to ethnically cleanse more than 193,000 American children of immigrants whose temporary protected status had been revoked by the administration, that the Department of Homeland Security had lied about creating a database of children that would make it possible to unite them with the families the Trump administration had arbitrarily destroyed, that the White House was considering a blanket ban on visas for Chinese students, and that it would deny visas to the same-sex partners of foreign officials. At a rally in Mississippi, a crowd of Trump supporters cheered as the president mocked Christine Blasey Ford, the psychology professor who has said that Brett Kavanaugh, whom Trump has nominated to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court, attempted to rape her when she was a teenager. “Lock her up!” they shouted.

For Trump, the cruelty is the point. But it’s actually worse than that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/09/trump-cruelty-is-point-its-actually-worse-than-that/

Pressley says 'the cruelty is the point' for Trump in response to speech
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/481549-pressley-quotes-article-arguing-the-cruelty-is-the-point-for-trump

[BFritz21]

(02-08-2021, 03:48 PM)Benton Wrote: There is a slight, significant difference.

Trump was criticized for knowingly separating children from families and sending them to camps; this facility is reopening to handle kids being sent unaccompanied over the boarder. Also, trump was separating kids of single digits age, this facility is for teens only.

How do you know it's for teens only?  How do they know their age?

(02-08-2021, 04:13 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: HHS announced that a facility would be used to house an overflow unaccompanied immigrant children appearing at the border, not for children being separated from their families. So off the bat, the article you posted (which is from a trash website) does not support the title of this thread nor do the facts.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/migrant-children-facility-immigration/index.html

Trump was criticized for having a policy that purposefully separated children from their parents for no other reason than to deter them from coming to the US. This even happened when parents legally sought asylum. That was called the zero tolerance policy.

The Obama administration separated children from parents accused of violent crimes or when they believed the adult was a trafficker.

Is part of the reason for jails not to try and persuade people to not commit crimes?  Are parents not separated from their children when they go to jail?  How's that any different?

[Belsnickel]

(02-08-2021, 04:49 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: How do you know it's for teens only?  How do they know their age?

Because if you look at actual news sources, they explain it.

(02-08-2021, 04:49 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Is part of the reason for jails not to try and persuade people to not commit crimes?  Are parents not separated from their children when they go to jail?  How's that any different?

This is irrelevant to the conversation. You, and the premise of this thread, were proven wrong.

[BFritz21]

(02-08-2021, 04:52 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Because if you look at actual news sources, they explain it.

Funny.  You claim things and claim actual news sources back it up but you don't post them.

(02-08-2021, 04:52 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is irrelevant to the conversation. You, and the premise of this thread, were proven wrong.

Um.  No.  It's not irrelevant and I was not proven wrong, but you once again make claims with nothing to back it up and think that they'll be accepted because other people have also posted against it.

[Belsnickel]

(02-08-2021, 05:00 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Funny.  You claim things and claim actual news sources back it up but you don't post them.

I'm going to assume the CNN link posted before will be discredited as "fake news" even though it is far more reputable than the source you used in the OP. Maybe USA Today will suffice.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/02/03/biden-house-migrant-children-texas-facility-closed-under-trump/4378699001/

Of course, the New York Post article your article quotes also mentions these things, but the Daily Wire conveniently left them out. Interesting how that works.

(02-08-2021, 05:00 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Um.  No.  It's not irrelevant and I was not proven wrong, but you once again make claims with nothing to back it up and think that they'll be accepted because other people have also posted against it.

It is irrelevant. You were proven wrong. And what I was saying had already been backed up in this thread.

Hop off the propaganda, man.

[BFritz21]

(02-08-2021, 05:07 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm going to assume the CNN link posted before will be discredited as "fake news" even though it is far more reputable than the source you used in the OP. Maybe USA Today will suffice.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/02/03/biden-house-migrant-children-texas-facility-closed-under-trump/4378699001/

Of course, the New York Post article your article quotes also mentions these things, but the Daily Wire conveniently left them out. Interesting how that works.

Funny how you don't specifically quote or point out anything relevant.

Also, wouldn't re-opening a facility for minors that Trump closed be separating minors from their parents?

(02-08-2021, 05:07 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It is irrelevant. You were proven wrong. And what I was saying had already been backed up in this thread.

Hop off the propaganda, man.

Once again, not quite.  Good try though.

[Belsnickel]

(02-08-2021, 05:16 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Funny how you don't specifically quote or point out anything relevant.

Also, wouldn't re-opening a facility for minors that Trump closed be separating minors from their parents?

Sorry, I'm not going to do all the work for you. And no, it wouldn't, because as has already been pointed out, these teenagers crossed unaccompanied. They didn't cross with families that they were separated from. That's in the article.

(02-08-2021, 05:16 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Once again, not quite.  Good try though.

Keep on thinking that, bud. You're so deep in the propaganda pool there is little hope.

[BmorePat87]

(02-08-2021, 04:49 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Is part of the reason for jails not to try and persuade people to not commit crimes?  Are parents not separated from their children when they go to jail?  How's that any different?

It is part of the reason, but it doesn't act as an effective deterrent. Prior to zero tolerance, we did not uniformly treat border crossings as an offense that resulted in detention. 

Some people were processed and released until they had a hearing before an immigration judge. In some cases with families, we had family detention center if they were held prior to their hearing. This is a nonviolent offense, so in the cases where they did detain, they ensured that families were together. 

In real life, not every offense results in someone being detained until their court hearing. After an arrest, children are placed with a relative if possible. If not, children are cared for by CPS until the parent is out of lock up and awaiting their trial. 

In the case of the zero tolerance policy, in addition to purposefully separating family, even those seeking legal asylum, there was often no effort made to keep families together even after detention. For many families, there was no record made of the child and parents locations to ensure that they were reunited. Normal criminal proceedings obviously do not operate this way as it would be considered inhumane and just morally reprehensible. 

[BmorePat87]

(02-08-2021, 05:16 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Also, wouldn't re-opening a facility for minors that Trump closed be separating minors from their parents?

No, previously the vast majority of detained immigrant minors were unaccompanied minors. As the administration noted, the facility is being reopened as an overflow for the number of unaccompanied minors being processed. 

[Arturo Bandini]

(02-08-2021, 06:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Once again, a post like this is implying this is all below you when in reality you just have nothing of any substance to post.

Projecting much ?

[BFritz21]

(02-08-2021, 05:22 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It is part of the reason, but it doesn't act as an effective deterrent. Prior to zero tolerance, we did not uniformly treat border crossings as an offense that resulted in detention. 

Some people were processed and released until they had a hearing before an immigration judge. In some cases with families, we had family detention center if they were held prior to their hearing. This is a nonviolent offense, so in the cases where they did detain, they ensured that families were together. 

In real life, not every offense results in someone being detained until their court hearing. After an arrest, children are placed with a relative if possible. If not, children are cared for by CPS until the parent is out of lock up and awaiting their trial. 

In the case of the zero tolerance policy, in addition to purposefully separating family, even those seeking legal asylum, there was often no effort made to keep families together even after detention. For many families, there was no record made of the child and parents locations to ensure that they were reunited. Normal criminal proceedings obviously do not operate this way as it would be considered inhumane and just morally reprehensible. 

Why would anyone re-enter the country to show up for an immigration hearing (wouldn't that be counter productive?) or what would prevent them from just blowing the whole thing off if they were released in this country?

In real life, you're correct that not everyone is detained until their court appearance, but, like I asked above, what's the alternative?

(02-08-2021, 05:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: No, previously the vast majority of detained immigrant minors were unaccompanied minors. As the administration noted, the facility is being reopened as an overflow for the number of unaccompanied minors being processed. 

If the vast majority were unaccompanied minors, then why's it so bad that some were separated from their families?  Shouldn't all minors be treated the same?  What's to prevent people from pretending their related just so they stay together?  Wouldn't that be beneficial to traffickers?  

[Benton]

(02-08-2021, 05:16 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Also, wouldn't re-opening a facility for minors that Trump closed be separating minors from their parents?

No. The intention for the facility is to house teens (minors) who crossed without a family member. I guess you could say they're self sperated. 

I'm not saying bidens administration isn't going to do that at some point, only that they aren't doing it. 

There are several news agencies reporting the whole story. I would encourage not just reading super partisan outlets that may have intentionally left out that piece, because it's a significant piece.

[BFritz21]

(02-08-2021, 06:33 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Projecting much ?

Are you serious?!  

That's LITERALLY every one of your posts in this thread has been doing!

The irony is hilarious! 

[Benton]

(02-08-2021, 06:37 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: ?

If the vast majority were unaccompanied minors, then why's it so bad that some were separated from their families?  

Because we're america, and we shouldn't take more than 4,000 kids from their families just cause we can.