Biden and Trump at the border

[*pally*]

(03-02-2024, 05:24 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Kettle, pot, black, meh, whatever.

Many of you are comical and predictable, while repeatedly spewing the same rhetoric. Trump bad, Trump bad, Trump bad. Democrats do no prong. Keep complaining about Trump to try and draw attention away from this inept administration. Blind leading the blind. Who’s really a cult? I would say the zombie left. It is what it is.

an vice versa...this is a 2-way battle that unfortunately probably won't end with the election in November

[GMDino]

(03-02-2024, 05:24 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Kettle, pot, black, meh, whatever.

Many of you are comical and predictable, while repeatedly spewing the same rhetoric. Trump bad, Trump bad, Trump bad. Democrats do no prong. Keep complaining about Trump to try and draw attention away from this inept administration. Blind leading the blind. Who’s really a cult? I would say the zombie left. It is what it is.

P01135809 is bad.  He's a bad person and a bad politician.  He has zero policies or core beliefs beyond his name is worth Billions.

Have I ever said Biden was perfect?  Or any Democrat?  

As my good friend Luvnit would say: "It appears again your stance is attack personally versus debating facts."


The next time I show up at a Biden rally wearing American flags and a Biden hat that I paid Biden for will be the first time.
The next time I defend Biden in one of his court cases will be the first time.


I know what a cult it is.  It's MAGA.


Page two.


If I thought for one iota that Luvnit is capable of a conversation, a discussion of facts or related information I would engage him.  He has proven himself to not be.  I'm not alone in that opinion.  


I am more than willing to discuss the border, replated policies, the history of what America has done to "control" it.  Have at it.  But you'll excuse me for not engaging with someone who will just say I am wrong and post another FOX new opinion piece.


If you feel I've been to harsh on a fellow board member please let me know.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(03-02-2024, 06:06 PM)pally Wrote: an vice versa...this is a 2-way battle that unfortunately probably won't end with the election in November

The difference is he's not denying that posters on both sides engage in this behavior.  For some reason your fellow leftists don't appear to agree.

[GMDino]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-claims-migrant-crime-wave-185443539.html

Quote:Trump's claims of a migrant crime wave are not supported by national data
Olympia Sonnier and Garrett Haake and Julia Ainsley and Didi Martinez
Thu, February 29, 2024 at 1:54 PM EST·5 min read
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WASHINGTON — When Donald Trump speaks at the southern border in Texas on Thursday, you can expect to hear him talk about “migrant crime,” a category he has coined and defined as a terrifying binge of criminal activity committed by undocumented immigrants spreading across the country.


“You know, in New York, what’s happening with crime is it’s through the roof, and it’s called ‘migrant,’” the former president said at a rally in Michigan earlier this month. “They beat up police officers. You’ve seen that they go in, they stab people, hurt people, shoot people. It’s a whole new form, and they have gangs now that are making our gangs look like small potatoes.”

Trump has undoubtedly tapped into the rising anger over crimes allegedly committed by undocumented migrants that have gained national attention — most recently, the killing of college student Laken Riley in Georgia last week, after which an undocumented migrant from Venezuela was arrested and charged with her murder, and the much-reported fight between New York police officers and a group of migrant teens.

According to a recent Pew poll, 57% of Americans said that a large number of migrants seeking to enter the country leads to more crime. Republicans (85%) overwhelmingly say the migrant surge leads to increased crime in the U.S. A far smaller share of Democrats (31%) say the same. The poll found that 63% of Democrats say it does not have much of an impact.

But despite the former president’s campaign rhetoric, expert analysis and available data from major-city police departments show that despite several horrifying high-profile incidents, there is no evidence of a migrant-driven crime wave in the United States.

That won’t change the way Trump talks about immigrants in his bid to return to the White House, as he argues that President Joe Biden’s immigration policies are making Americans less safe. Trump says voters should hold Biden personally responsible for every crime committed by an undocumented immigrant.

An NBC News review of available 2024 crime data from the cities targeted by Texas’ “Operation Lone Star,” which buses or flies migrants from the border to major cities in the interior — shows overall crime levels dropping in those cities that have received the most migrants.


Overall crime is down year over year in Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, New York and Los Angeles. Crime has risen in Washington, D.C., but local officials do not attribute the spike to migrants.

“This is a public perception problem. It’s always based upon these kinds of flashpoint events where an immigrant commits a crime,” explains Graham Ousey, a professor at the College of William & Mary and the co-author of “Immigration and Crime: Taking Stock.” “There’s no evidence for there being any relationship between somebody’s immigrant status and their involvement in crime.”

Ousey notes the emotional toll these incidents have taken and how they can inform public perception, saying, “They can be really egregious acts of criminality that really draw lots of attention that involve somebody who happens to be an immigrant. And if you have leaders, political leaders who are really pushing that narrative, I think that would have the tendency to sort of push up the myth.”

“At least a couple of recent studies show that undocumented immigrants are also not more likely to be involved in crime,” Ousey says — in part because of caution about their immigration status. “The individual-level studies actually show that they’re less involved than native-born citizens or second-generation immigrants.”

Another misconception often cited by critics is that crime is more prevalent in “sanctuary cities.” But a Department of Justice report found that “there was no evidence that the percentage of unauthorized or authorized immigrant population at the city level impacted shifts in the homicide rates and no evidence that immigration is connected to robbery at the city level.”

Trump’s campaign claims without evidence that those statistics obscure the problem.

“Democrat cities purposefully do not document when crimes are committed by illegal immigrants, because they don’t want American citizens to know the truth about the dangerous impact Joe Biden’s open border is having on their communities,” Karoline Leavitt, Trump campaign press secretary, said in a statement. “Nevertheless, Americans know migrant crime is a serious and growing threat; and the murder, rape, or abuse of one innocent citizen at the hands of an illegal immigrant is one too many.”

Trump has been pushing the argument that immigrants bring crime since launching his first campaign in 2015, often featuring at his rallies the family members of those who were killed by undocumented immigrants who had been drinking and driving. And his arguments are not new — opponents of immigration have long tried to make the case that migrants bring crime.

National crime data, especially pertaining to undocumented immigrants, is notoriously incomplete. The national data comes in piecemeal and can only be evaluated holistically when the annual data is released.

The data is incomplete on how many crimes each year are committed by migrants, primarily because most local police don’t record immigration status when they make arrests. But the studies that have been done on this, most recently by the University of Wisconsin-Madison, show that in Texas, where police do record immigration status, migrants commit fewer crimes per capita.

In December 2020, researchers studying Texas crime statistics found that “contrary to public perception, we observe considerably lower felony arrest rates among undocumented immigrants compared to legal immigrants and native-born U.S. citizens and find no evidence that undocumented criminality has increased in recent years.”

This article was originally published on NBCNews.com

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[Mike M (the other one)]

(03-02-2024, 10:35 AM)GMDino Wrote: What's funny is they treat the situation like they do mass shootings in that they say "now is not the time to talk about it" and it is never the time to talk about it.  But in THIS case we must stop it for ever happening and it is all the Democrats fault...but republicans won't do anything.

The Republicans policies have done much more over the years to stem immigration than anything the Dems have done, and more attempts were blocked by the Dems as well.
So here we are.

Your bed. 

[GMDino]

(03-02-2024, 06:52 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The Republicans policies have done much more over the years to stem immigration than anything the Dems have done, and more attempts were blocked by the Dems as well.
So here we are.

Your bed. 

Yet, if that's true, when the Democrats say here is an immigration bill with almost everything you asked for...the republicans said "Nah. The guy running for POTUS told us not to even vote on it."

Weird.

The the gop is SO much better at border control (you say) that the Democrats but they won't do anything now except complain.

Strange.

[GMDino]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/29/us/illegal-border-crossings-data.html

Quote:Why Illegal Border Crossings Are at Sustained Highs
By Ashley Wu Oct. 29, 2023


For the second year in a row, the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border surpassed two million, according to government data released this month.
Annual southwestern border apprehensions

By fiscal year, from October to September



The 2022 fiscal year set a record of 2.2 million illegal border crossings. These numbers do not include crossings at official checkpoints. Including those, migrant crossings in the 2023 fiscal year hit a record high.

Immigration is a major issue for President Biden. Republicans say his immigration policies are too weak to reduce numbers at the border. Members of his own party — like the mayors of Chicago and New York — have said their cities do not have enough resources to provide shelter and other assistance to the growing number of migrants.

Shifting U.S. policies, global migration patterns and changing migrant demographics all factor into the high levels of illegal border crossings of the past few years.

U.S. Policy Changes
Title 42, a pandemic-era immigration policy, had been used for more than three years to quickly expel migrants who have tried to cross the border illegally, on the grounds of public health. It was enacted by former President Donald J. Trump in March 2020 and expanded under the Biden administration.

The policy expired in May, and the number of border apprehensions dropped by more than 40 percent in June. Since then, the number of illegal border crossings has increased every month, and border patrol agents made nearly 220,000 apprehensions in September alone.

Monthly southwestern border apprehensions



Before Title 42 expired, the Biden administration had created more legal pathways of entry for migrants. At the same time, harsher punishments were established for crossing illegally. Government officials say this drove unlawful crossings down in May and June, as more migrants were using the new and expanded legal pathways. But experts say they never expected the drop to last.

“Every time we see changes in the border policies, we see a sort of a lull while everybody figures it out, and then we see increased numbers after that,” said Denise Gilman, a professor and director at the University of Texas at Austin’s Immigration Clinic.
Global Migration

Patterns of global migration contributed to the recent rise in illegal border crossings. For example, Venezuela’s economy crumbled about a decade ago, leading to a massive outflow of the country’s population. Gang violence in Central America has forced many to flee. Economic shock, violence and political forces have displaced millions and sent more people to the United States to seek refuge.

Historically, most migrants have come to the United States from Mexico, with growing numbers in the last decade from the Northern Triangle (Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador). But more recently, migrants from other countries have accounted for nearly half of illegal border crossings.

Share of southwestern border apprehensions by migrants’ countries of origin
By fiscal year, from October to September


For years, the United States and Mexico have had a diplomatic arrangement under which Mexico has agreed to accept Mexican migrants deported by the United States. Such an agreement is generally in place before the United States deports or expels migrants back to their home countries. When Title 42 was enacted, Mexico also agreed to accept expelled migrants from the Northern Triangle.

Migrants from other countries that lack these diplomatic relationships have taken their chances at the border, hoping to be released, at least temporarily, into the United States. In particular, hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans have shown up at the southern border since the beginning of the pandemic. They accounted for the third-most illegal border crossings in the past year, after Mexicans and Guatemalans.

Mexico later agreed to accept some migrants from Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti and Nicaragua. This month, the Biden administration began to deport migrants back to Venezuela, after its president agreed to accept them.

More Families
Single adults have previously accounted for a majority of border apprehensions. But U.S. border officials apprehended more family members trying to cross the border from June to September than in any previous full fiscal year.

It can be more difficult for border agents to detain, deport or otherwise enforce punishments on families than on single adults. There is a legal limit on how long children can be held, and the Biden administration ended the practice of detaining families in 2021.

Families may be responding to this, showing up at the border instead of waiting for an appointment at an official checkpoint or through a humanitarian program. From January to May, people in families crossing the border made up about a fifth of total border apprehensions. In both August and September, that share rose to about half.

Monthly southwestern border apprehensions, by demographic



Experts say the U.S. policies of trying to deter people from crossing cannot work long term. They say that although people want to be safe and follow the rules, legal pathways have limited capacity, location restrictions and long wait times. This leaves many migrants to try and enter the country whether or not they legally fit into the current policies.

“We have yet to see any restrictive border policy work in terms of actually keeping the numbers down at the border,” Ms. Gilman said. “It just doesn’t work that way because people are fleeing extremely dangerous situations.”

[GMDino]

You know, just looking at that first graph:



...it looks like Bush had a higher immigration rate than Obama and it rose every year during P01135809's first three years until Covid.

That's weird.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(03-02-2024, 07:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: You know, just looking at that first graph:



...it looks like Bush had a hire immigration rate than Obama and it rose every year during P01135809's first three years until Covid.

That's weird.

Even more weird, you ignoring that it skyrocketed under Biden, way past previous highs.  

Wait, not weird, totally predictable.

[GMDino]

(03-02-2024, 08:07 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Even more weird, you ignoring that it skyrocketed under Biden, way past previous highs.  

Wait, not weird, totally predictable.

Oh, that was explained in the article.   I was merely saying it's weird that before that the Democrat had lower rates than the Democrats.

I wonder what would have happened in 2020 for P01135809 w/o Covid given the trend?

[Luvnit2]

(03-02-2024, 08:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oh, that was explained in the article.   I was merely saying it's weird that before that the Democrat had lower rates than the Democrats.

I wonder what would have happened in 2020 for P01135809 w/o Covid given the trend?

I think you are missing a key Trump policy versus Biden's policy. Trump processed illegal immigrants and then sent them back to Mexico to await their hearing since histry has shown less than 10% actually show up for their asylum hearing. 

Biden did a catch and release into the US and smart illegal immigrants and criminals in other countries knew they could turn themself into the border (we have no way of vetting most of them as they do not share in our criminal data bases in the middle east, Russia, China and many other countries) and be released into the US pending a hearing in 5 to 8 years. Free to roam the US under Biden, free to roam Mexico under Biden.

Why did Trump had drastically lower numbers than Biden, simple, he had a deterrent and was building/fixing a barrier wall with no help from Democrats playing politics to stop a Trump campaign promise yes both sides do it). But stay in Mexico or be sent back to Mexico were the biggest ways Trump secured the border.

The Biden team and Democrats told us for 3+ years the border was secure. Now in year 4, they say it is a crisis, but it is Republican's fault. It is laughable and a flat out lie. As I have pointed out, Biden had 100% control of Congress (both house and senate) yet did not pass 1 immigration law. Now they want to claim a multi-faceted spending bill giving Ukraine over 60 billion, yes billion with a "B" is attached to an immigration bill that allows 5000 illegal immigrants into the US each day or almost 2 million a year into the country.

Once more for the record, it was not passed in the Senate and Democrats voted no, not just republicans. So Democrats did nothing for 3 years and now want Republicans to give them a blank check for Ukraine + an immigration portion that does little to deter illegal immigrants to come to our border as they will still be released and be able to go to sanctuary cities and get free health care, shelter, 3 meals a day, cell phones and all kinds of goodies we don't do for our own citizens.

Biden's border policy sucks, anyone with a little common sense can look at the record and conclude his policies did not stop nor deter illegal immigrants (again less than 10% show up for hearings and then less than 10% of them win their asylum cases. 

[Luvnit2]

(03-02-2024, 08:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Oh, that was explained in the article.   I was merely saying it's weird that before that the Democrat had lower rates than the Democrats.

I wonder what would have happened in 2020 for P01135809 w/o Covid given the trend?

I suggest you look up Obama's DHS secretary's thoughts then and now on the border. Jeh Johnson has been candid stating if they had 1000 border crossings a day, President Obama considered it a crisis. There was a reason Obama's numbers got better over time, he took steps to deter and stop illegal immigrants from coming to the border to seek asylum.

You suggest I use Fox narratives, I do at times, but feel free to show me where I am wrong in my posts versus attacking me or Fox News. No news organization is correct 100% of the time, but I would argue based solely on viewership ratings, Fox is trusted a lot more than CNN and MSNBC combined. People don't tune into a news station they think is full of crap. I have stated on here many times, I was an avid CNN viewer for many years including 911. There just came a time I felt they stopped being journalists and I gradually switched to Fox. I voted for Obama in 2008, I thought McCain was too old and we need someone to help us with hope and change, a young leader, Articulent speaker. But by 2012 I had had enough of Obama, he did some good things and was a decent POTUS, I just thought his promises like uniting the country were not fulfilled.

Simple questions I asked you to answer, you chose to not answer and debate. I think it is obvious why, no one can look at sheer numbers and say our border security started leaking buckets of water once Biden ended Trump's policies. I find it amazing that anyone is willing to defend anyone for open borders. It is crazy. Do we leave our doors and windows open all day, so anyone is free to enter our home? Do we leave our keys in the car so someone can take it for a spin any time they choose. I think most would agree no way, yet we allow illegal immigrants, most unvetted to take a spin around the US for years while taxpayers at the city and federal level pay them to do it.

[GMDino]

(03-03-2024, 02:49 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I suggest you look up Obama's DHS secretary's thoughts then and now on the border. Jeh Johnson has been candid stating if they had 1000 border crossings a day, President Obama considered it a crisis. There was a reason Obama's numbers got better over time, he took steps to deter and stop illegal immigrants from coming to the border to seek asylum.

You suggest I use Fox narratives, I do at times, but feel free to show me where I am wrong in my posts versus attacking me or Fox News. No news organization is correct 100% of the time, but I would argue based solely on viewership ratings, Fox is trusted a lot more than CNN and MSNBC combined. People don't tune into a news station they think is full of crap. I have stated on here many times, I was an avid CNN viewer for many years including 911. There just came a time I felt they stopped being journalists and I gradually switched to Fox. I voted for Obama in 2008, I thought McCain was too old and we need someone to help us with hope and change, a young leader, Articulent speaker. But by 2012 I had had enough of Obama, he did some good things and was a decent POTUS, I just thought his promises like uniting the country were not fulfilled.

Simple questions I asked you to answer, you chose to not answer and debate. I think it is obvious why, no one can look at sheer numbers and say our border security started leaking buckets of water once Biden ended Trump's policies. I find it amazing that anyone is willing to defend anyone for open borders. It is crazy. Do we leave our doors and windows open all day, so anyone is free to enter our home? Do we leave our keys in the car so someone can take it for a spin any time they choose. I think most would agree no way, yet we allow illegal immigrants, most unvetted to take a spin around the US for years while taxpayers at the city and federal level pay them to do it.

Crime is down...even in the cities where Texas sent immigrants.  I posted that from a non-Fox news source.

Encounters are up.  So are people being caught crossing with drugs.  The good thing is were catching more.  Maybe it's because more got though unnoticed during past administrations?

I posted all the policies in place and how Biden's administration now has a deal with Venezuela to return immigrants that they didn't have before.

I also shared an article explaining how the immigrants are coming from different places now and why.

But Biden bad, P01135809 god.  I get it. That's why "debate" with you is difficult. You willfully ignore everything that isn't your narrative.

No one has said border crossings aren't up or that it isn't creating problems. Several of us have pointed out what has been done now and in the past and that P01135809 has no plans other than "shut it down" which won't work because they won't give the money to hire the agents it would take to even attempt to do so.

Oh, wait. He's going to have local police do it.

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/01/trump-mass-deportation-migrants-border-plan

Quote:Former President Trump will use local police to implement his plan for the mass deportation of undocumented migrants if he's elected, the Republican primary frontrunner said during an interview on Fox News Thursday.

The big picture: Trump, who visited the U.S.-Mexico border on the same day as President Biden Thursday, has vowed to launch the "largest deportation operation in American history" if he's elected president for a second term in November.

What he's saying: "We have to deport a lot of people, and they have to start immediately," Trump said during his interview in Eagle Pass, Texas, on Fox News' "Hannity."

Trump told Fox News host Sean Hannity that he would give "immunity" to police "to give the job they have to do" and said the officers understand who the migrants are.
"It's going to be the local police are going to turn them over, and we're going to have to move them back to their country," he added.

What we're watching: A judge on Thursday temporarily paused a Texas law that would allow local authorities and judges to arrest and deport immigrants they suspected of crossing the border into the U.S. without legal authorization, which was due to take effect on March 5.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has vowed to appeal the ruling in favor of the Justice Department and civil rights groups, which argued in their lawsuit that the legalization was unconstitutional and could lead to racial profiling.

State of play: Biden used his second U.S.-Mexico border visit as president, in Brownsville, Texas, to call on Trump to "join" him in working on passing the toughest immigration law in decades.

Trump said during his visit to Eagle Pass that Biden has the "blood of countless innocent victims" on his hands as he claimed the U.S. was being "overrun by the Biden migrant crime" — despite studies showing immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than other U.S. residents.

Zoom out: Polls suggest Americans consider immigration to be the most important issue in the U.S.

Biden was elected president after campaigning on ending Trump-era border policies, but since then there's been a global humanitarian crisis that's resulted in tens of millions of people being forcibly displaced.

The president has since hardened his immigration policy and is considering signing an executive order that would restrict the ability of migrants to claim asylum.

Trump is again taking a hardline approach to the issue, as he did during his 2016 election campaign.

We're headed back to a "show me your papers" policy. Yay?

[Mike M (the other one)]

(03-03-2024, 09:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Crime is down...even in the cities where Texas sent immigrants.  I posted that from a non-Fox news source.

Encounters are up.  So are people being caught crossing with drugs.  The good thing is were catching more.  Maybe it's because more got though unnoticed during past administrations?

I posted all the policies in place and how Biden's administration now has a deal with Venezuela to return immigrants that they didn't have before.

I also shared an article explaining how the immigrants are coming from different places now and why.

But Biden bad, P01135809 god.  I get it.  That's why "debate" with you is difficult.  You willfully ignore everything that isn't your narrative.  

No one has said border crossings aren't up or that it isn't creating problems.  Several of us have pointed out what has been done now and in the past and that P01135809 has no plans other than "shut it down" which won't work because they won't give the money to hire the agents it would take to even attempt to do so.

Oh, wait.  He's going to have local police do it.  

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/01/trump-mass-deportation-migrants-border-plan


We're headed back to a "show me your papers" policy.  Yay?

It's unfair to compare Obama to Bush's numbers. Obana changed the formula.
He also implemented the "catch and release" program where if caught we still have to allow them into the US on a bond rather than detaining them.

Letting Title 42 expire started it, sure the numbers went down the 2 months after it expired as the immigrants figured out how things were going to go moving forward, then you see the rush again as now they aren't required to stay in Mexico but are to be released into the US. 

His bill wasn't giving the Republicans what they wanted, if it was, it was disguised as a catch-22 as I've said repeatedly, in year 4 we will be in worse shape than now.

BTW Do you even understand how Catch and Release works? It totally undermines coming to the US legally

[GMDino]

(03-03-2024, 02:49 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: It's unfair to compare Obama to Bush's numbers. Obana changed the formula.
He also implemented the "catch and release" program where if caught we still have to allow them into the US on a bond rather than detaining them.

Letting Title 42 expire started it, sure the numbers went down the 2 months after it expired as the immigrants figured out how things were going to go moving forward, then you see the rush again as now they aren't required to stay in Mexico but are to be released into the US. 

His bill wasn't giving the Republicans what they wanted, if it was, it was disguised as a catch-22 as I've said repeatedly, in year 4 we will be in worse shape than now.

BTW Do you even understand how Catch and Release works? It totally undermines coming to the US legally

Everything you said was in the article I posted.

And more.  Like the policies they have to start reducing the numbers.

Besides you are the one who said republicans are better at the border. I'm just showing the numbers.

[BigPapaKain]

So people are getting mad because we're catching more illegals trying to cross? Isn't that kind of the idea, though?

[Mike M (the other one)]

(03-03-2024, 04:25 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: So people are getting mad because we're catching more illegals trying to cross? Isn't that kind of the idea, though?

Ok,
If I'm trying to enter the US. I go down and see the long lines to apply for asylum at the Port of Entry, so I decide to cross.

I get caught, i claim asylum because I'm on US soil now. Law says you have to accept my claim. So Now what? 
Under Title 42 I would be sent back to the last "safe" country i was in to await my hearing, but Biden allowed that to expire, so we go back to the original catch and release that Obama created, i will be released into the US and sign off on a cash bond stating i will show up for my court date. *I probably don't speak the language, but i'll sign off on whatever you want me to so i can get in.

Because the courts takes so long, i'm good to go for the next 5 or so years in the US. if life is good and i have a solid chance to be approved, i'll show up, if not, I won't show up and even then chances are very low i'll be deported and even better odds if I am in a Sanctuary city. Basically it's an ugly Loop hole that's easy to exploit.

EDIT: BTW Did I mention i jumped the line for all of those waiting legally to be allowed in on Asylum at the Ports of Entry? *suckers

Now the bill that they are trying to pass, doesn't stop any of that. Even when the threshold is reached, we still have to accept 1400 asylum requests per day. And the number of days the border can be closed decreases each year and on the 4th is back to zero days closed. So it becomes the next guy's problem.

Biden can do alot with EO's but he's not. He's letting the House play the game, and the only real thing they should be doing is deciding how much money to allocate for DHS/ICE Border walls etc.

Edit again:
If i do make it in with out being caught, then i'm buying more time. As once caught just yell asylum and start that process. You aren't going to deport me.

[Mike M (the other one)]

Your tax dollars at work:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/taxpayers-deserve-answers-nyc-democrat-fumes-as-migrants-claim-towed-cars-outside-shelter/ar-BB1jfs3h?cvid=1e79060b68f44ec0db591cbb12294688&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=28

The migrant crisis in the United States is a hot topic for lawmakers and other Americans. It has caused a series of controversy and backlash in recent months. Most recently, a New York Democrat Assemblywoman demanded that the Biden administration provide answers to the migrant situation.

She recorded and shared a video of towed cars outside a Brooklyn center that apparently belongs to migrants.

“It seems like they’re having more resources than the average American, so we deserve answers,” Assemblywoman Jaime Williams, who represents southeast Brooklyn-area neighborhoods like Marine Park and Canarsie, told “Fox & Friends First” on Monday. According to the New York Post, about 5 vehicles that were illegally parked outside Floyd Bennett Field were towed last Friday night.

In the now-viral video, two of the vehicles captured seem to be SUVs, while one of the vehicles appears to be a pickup truck. Williams counted the vehicles being towed and pointed out that they didn’t have license plates. Co-host Todd Piro asked Williams if she had gotten any answers about where the migrants could have gotten the vehicles from.

“We have not gotten any responses from anyone whatsoever. This morning, we will be working on that, but, as of right now, nothing,” she replied. New York City is struggling with the impact of the migrant overflow. As a result, Mayor Eric Adams has been quite outspoken about the situation and has cut budgets to handle related costs.

“It’s an abuse of taxpayers dollars. Every American taxpaying American need to know what’s going on. There needs to be more transparency, and let’s take it a little bit further with the Biden administration, who have turned a blind eye to this national crisis,” Williams continued in the video. “We have lawlessness happening in New York City and specifically in my district in the southeast side of Brooklyn. So, now myself and our residents I have become benefactors of the lawlessness of these migrants.”

Furthermore, Piro pointed out that the migrant situation is more bipartisan than ever. He asked the Assemblywoman if she believed more Democrats are observing the degree of the issue to do something about it. “I don’t think there are enough of us this year, and I don’t think people should be looking at what party name is behind the person’s name,” she responded.

“Specifically myself and Councilwoman Joann Ariola have taken this bipartisan fight, and we have made it ours because it affects everyone in our district, and I don’t know why people are afraid to step up to the plate, but we need to do this sooner than later. We owe it to each and every taxpaying American.”

So far, New York City isn’t the only one struggling to handle the inflow of migrants. Other cities like Chicago face their fair share of the migrant issue. The migrants arriving in New York City were moved from border cities in Texas because of their overwhelming number.


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Conservatives Fume as California Pays for Illegal Migrants Gender-Affirming Care

Conservatives have reacted with fury after California announced that illegal migrants in the state are eligible for gender-affirming care. The state announced that illegal migrants can undergo the procedure from Medi-Cal, the state’s version of Medicare.

Beginning January 1, 2024, all undocumented immigrants in California who meet specific criteria automatically qualify for Medi-Cal. The Golden State is expanding its massive healthcare system this year. However, at the expense of taxpayers.

The new law means more taxpayer dollars will fund sex change surgeries for state residents, regardless of their citizenship status. According to a memo first circulated in May 2022, California’s Medi-Cal covers costs for hormone therapy.

It also covers costs for procedures “that bring primary and secondary gender characteristics into conformity with the individual’s identified gender.” Consequently, nearly 700,000 illegal immigrants between the ages of 26 and 49 qualify as of January 1, 2024.

“Gender-affirming care is a covered Medi-Cal benefit when medically necessary,” the memo states. “Requests for gender-affirming care should be from specialists experienced in providing culturally competent care to transgender and gender diverse individuals and should use nationally recognized guidelines.”

The memo adds that licensed mental health professionals, physicians, and surgeons determine “Medi-Cal necessity.” Also, it states that surgeons experienced in treating patients with a different gender identity from their birth gender shall recommend services.

According to the Transgender Law Center, Medi-Cal “should cover hormone treatment, gender reassignment surgery, and other necessary procedures.” Also, the organization explained that the law requires “Medi-Cal to evaluate requests on a case-by-case basis.”

However, these federal healthcare services will cost California taxpayers an estimated $3.1 billion. Over the past few months, the U.S. has recorded a substantial surge in illegal crossings at the southern border. Law enforcement reported more than 9,600 migrant encounters a day during the first three weeks of December.

Control over the U.S.-Mexico border looks to be a significant issue. With the Texas Governor busing down migrants to sanctuary cities, the Democratic mayors lament struggling to deal with the influx. However, California seems to welcome the influx, and the new development has outraged conservatives in the state.

Posting on X, formerly Twitter, Colorado House Republican Lauren Boebert criticized the policy. “California is now paying for illegal aliens to get sex changes. There’s no punchline to this tweet,” she commented. “California is the punchline.” California state guidelines say that illegal migrants can qualify for gender-affirming care.

However, it is unclear if anyone has taken up this option. Responding to Boebert, conservative commentator Paul Szypula, who has more than 101,000 X followers, also blasted the state guidelines. “California is horrible, but so is the U.S. border,” he said.

“Republicans in Congress had a year as a majority to address it but refused to be tough when needed.” Similarly, another X user responded by attacking Boebert. The user wrote, “Almost made it the whole day without some blathering bigotry. So close.”

Medi-Cal has been available to migrants aged 25 and under, or 50 and over, who met the required thresholds. However, California Governor Gavin Newsom extended it to all unregistered migrants. Conversely, Conservatives kick against the idea, arguing it is a waste of taxpayers’ money.


It's just business as usual right??

[NATI BENGALS]

Tax payer funded illegal immigrant gender affirming care has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read

[Mike M (the other one)]

(03-04-2024, 02:05 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Tax payer funded illegal immigrant gender affirming care has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read

Man, to be an immigrant, Free Food, Free Shelter, Free Medical and you give me CARE money?
No wonder I can afford that new car! and why the hell would i stay in my own country when i can barely afford to pay for a meal?? This is heaven!