An interesting article. Hope you find it interesting as well .
Quote:Black History Month, which began as Negro History Week some 90 Februarys ago, was meant to be temporary. Its founder, historian Carter G. Woodson, envisioned a time when black history would be incorporated with American history and no longer require separate recognition. Woodson’s optimism was warranted.
Americans today are led by a black president in the fourth year of his second term. Martin Luther King’s birthday is a national holiday. The likeness of Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks might soon grace U.S. currency, if the majority of people surveyed prevails. And it has been decades since school curricula excluded black perspectives and accomplishments. Black History Month’s sunset might seem long overdue, but the celebration is too useful politically for that to happen anytime soon.
Woodson died in 1950, a few years before the civil-rights movement found its stride. In the post-1960s era, black leaders turned that movement into a lucrative industry, and Black History Month helps keep them relevant. February is not simply about highlighting the achievements of people like voting-rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer or the Buffalo Soldiers who served in the Spanish-American War.
It is also about using racial identity to advance groupthink and to discourage black individuality. It is about presenting the history of blacks as the history of their victimization by whites up to the present day—which explains racial disparities in areas ranging from school achievement and household income to rates of unemployment, incarceration and single-parent homes.
The irony is that black history in the first half of the 20th century is a history of tremendous progress despite overwhelming odds. During a period of legal discrimination and violent hostility to their advancement, blacks managed to make unprecedented gains that have never been repeated. Black poverty fell to 47% from 87% between 1940 and 1960—before the implementation of Great Society programs that receive so much credit for poverty reduction. The percentage of black white-collar workers quadrupled between 1940 and 1970—before the implementation of affirmative-action policies that supposedly produced today’s black middle class.
In New York City, the earnings of black workers tripled between 1940 and 1950, and over the next decade the city saw a 55% increase in the number of black lawyers, a 56% increase in the number of black doctors and a 125% increase in the number of black teachers, according to political scientist Michael Javen Fortner’s new book, “Black Silent Majority.” The number of black nurses, accountants and engineers grew at an even faster clip over the same period. “There are signs that the Negro has begun to develop a large, strong middle class,” wrote Time magazine in 1953.
You don’t hear much about this black history during Black History Month (or any other month, for that matter) because it undercuts the dominant narrative pushed by the political left and accepted uncritically by the media. The Rev. Al Sharpton and the NAACP have no use for empirical evidence of significant black socioeconomic gains during the Jim Crow era, because they have spent decades insisting that blacks can’t advance until racism has been eliminated. If racism is no longer a significant barrier to black upward mobility and doesn’t explain today’s racial disparities, then blacks may have no use for Mr. Sharpton and the NAACP. The main priority of civil-rights leaders today is self-preservation.
Many factors could plausibly explain black progress in the first part of the 20th century. The post-World War II economy was booming, and blacks were steadily increasing their years of education, which increased their levels of compensation. Mass migration from the South meant that more blacks had access to the higher-paying jobs in the North.
The black family was also more stable during this period. Every census from 1890 to 1940 shows the black marriage rate slightly higher than the white rate. In 1925 five out of six black children in New York City lived with both parents. Nationally, two out of three black children were being raised in two-parent homes as recently as the early 1960s. Today, more than 70% are not.
Black nuclear families used to be the norm. Now they are the exception. Jim Crow did less damage to the black family than well-intentioned Great Society programs that discouraged work and marriage and promised more government checks for having more children. But that black history is also kept largely under wraps by those who have a vested interest in blaming the decimation of the black family on slavery and discrimination.
Much of what ought to be studied, duplicated and celebrated in black history is often played down or willfully ignored. And so long as the media allow civil-rights activists and liberal politicians with their own agendas to speak for all blacks, that won’t change.
Mr. Riley, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow and Journal contributor, is the author of “Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed” (Encounter Books, 2014).
An interesting article. Hope you find it interesting as well .
Spot on article.
Mr. Riley, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow and Journal contributor, is the author of “Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed” (Encounter Books, 2014).
And while you're at it please stop telling us we are oppressed...we're not impressed by your white guilt.
Here ya go lefties, educate yourselves about black history month...
Here is a rebuttal to that original video and further proves how much a scam black history month is. Since it wouldn't do to teach the young, especially blacks, that there were successful blacks before the end of slavery.
(02-13-2016, 02:44 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: I saw the original video.
However, I didn't buy into it.
Here is a rebuttal to that original video and further proves how much a scam black history month is. Since it wouldn't do to teach the young, especially blacks, that there were successful blacks before the end of slavery.
It also proves how foolish people are who believe in white privilege and engage in white shaming and white guilt.
There is white privilege as long as racists are around. The thing is white privilege isn't instatutional. Its individual racism. There is no institutional policy or law that oppresses minorities. White privilege is overblown IMO.
(02-13-2016, 02:44 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: It also proves how foolish people are who believe in white privilege and engage in white shaming and white guilt.
I believe white privilege does exist. Again, as I state in many other arguments, the problem with the whole "white privilege" issue is that a lot of people who argue about it have their own idea of what "white privilege" means. To me, white privilege doesn't mean that everyone who is white is somehow richer or automatically better off than everyone else. To me, white privilege is a type of privilege that exists for every race. I am a black man and I believe there is black privilege. I believe there are various types of privileges that exist for everyone. I even believe there is heterosexual privilege.
The reason people argue about "white privilege" so much is because of the years of oppression that happened in America. Obviously this idea of oppression has greatly diminished, but the idea of white privilege still does exist. Fact of the matter is, you are a lot less likely to be harassed by someone for being white vs being black. I notice whenever black people complain about being racially profiled, a lot of white people (not all) like to make the argument that "well if this black person or that black person didn't dress like a thug, they wouldn't get harassed". The argument simply is not true.
There have been multiple times where I've been bothered just for being black. I've gone into numerous stores where I have been constantly followed by white employees even after telling them that I was fine and that I didn't need any help.... and I'm far from dressing like a "thug". I'm a preachers son and grew up in a household where I wouldn't be caught dead with my pants hanging below my butt. I dress like a regular guy, there's nothing "thuggish" about me, yet I still get followed.
One time I was in a store and noticed I was constantly being eyed around corners by an employee even though I had not done anything. I was simply looking at clothes. This employee was so obsessed with watching me that he almost neglected to help other customers because if he did he wouldn't be able to keep an eye on me. Funny thing is I noticed an old lady grab something and start walking out of the store with it and I quickly walked over and told the employee that "I think that old lady just walked out of the store with something". The employee quickly caught up to her and mall security was called and escorted her out of the building.
I even still get called the N word when I'm just walking down the street. One time me and my girlfriend who is white (now wife) were walking to a waffle house when she came to visit me in Cincinnati and as we were walking down the street, 4 white guys in a pickup truck drove by and one of them yelled "Get out of here niggger". Simply put, being white means you will get harassed a lot less than if you're black, that's part of what white privilege is. This issue as a whole gets a little more complicated than that, but I don't feel like writing pages upon pages about "white privilege".
To put it short, privilege exists for every race in different ways and the amount of that privilege depends on who owns the most authority. A lot of the time, people of color are the ones who get harassed or looked down upon the most or as seen as the most "dangerous".
(02-13-2016, 01:13 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: I believe white privilege does exist. Again, as I state in many other arguments, the problem with the whole "white privilege" issue is that a lot of people who argue about it have their own idea of what "white privilege" means. To me, white privilege doesn't mean that everyone who is white is somehow richer or automatically better off than everyone else. To me, white privilege is a type of privilege that exists for every race. I am a black man and I believe there is black privilege. I believe there are various types of privileges that exist for everyone. I even believe there is heterosexual privilege.
The reason people argue about "white privilege" so much is because of the years of oppression that happened in America. Obviously this idea of oppression has greatly diminished, but the idea of white privilege still does exist. Fact of the matter is, you are a lot less likely to be harassed by someone for being white vs being black. I notice whenever black people complain about being racially profiled, a lot of white people (not all) like to make the argument that "well if this black person or that black person didn't dress like a thug, they wouldn't get harassed". The argument simply is not true.
There have been multiple times where I've been bothered just for being black. I've gone into numerous stores where I have been constantly followed by white employees even after telling them that I was fine and that I didn't need any help.... and I'm far from dressing like a "thug". I'm a preachers son and grew up in a household where I wouldn't be caught dead with my pants hanging below my butt. I dress like a regular guy, there's nothing "thuggish" about me, yet I still get followed.
One time I was in a store and noticed I was constantly being eyed around corners by an employee even though I had not done anything. I was simply looking at clothes. This employee was so obsessed with watching me that he almost neglected to help other customers because if he did he wouldn't be able to keep an eye on me. Funny thing is I noticed an old lady grab something and start walking out of the store with it and I quickly walked over and told the employee that "I think that old lady just walked out of the store with something". The employee quickly caught up to her and mall security was called and escorted her out of the building.
I even still get called the N word when I'm just walking down the street. One time me and my girlfriend who is white (now wife) were walking to a waffle house when she came to visit me in Cincinnati and as we were walking down the street, 4 white guys in a pickup truck drove by and one of them yelled "Get out of here niggger". Simply put, being white means you will get harassed a lot less than if you're black, that's part of what white privilege is. This issue as a whole gets a little more complicated than that, but I don't feel like writing pages upon pages about "white privilege".
To put it short, privilege exists for every race in different ways and the amount of that privilege depends on who owns the most authority. A lot of the time, people of color are the ones who get harassed or looked down upon the most or as seen as the most "dangerous".
You started out great... admitted to having black privilege, which is wonderful, and if more blacks admitted to having black privilege, then we can have a real honest discussion about race. You do mention a very good point of what privilege is and how it can mean different things to different people. The problem with that is, when you have a definition of a word and I have a similar but slightly different definition of that same word, then it creates confusion. To say we all have privileges, but you have more privileges is to simplistic and not very well argued. Different people from different background face different challenges. To lump all white people as privilege is to ignore their own struggles, which some have struggled more than some black people that they have met.
Sorry, but Jayden Smith and even daddy Will Smith has not struggled nearly as much as the majority of white people in this country. The video I posted has shown black success stories even before the end of slavery. If you think the children of those blacks "suffered" and didn't enjoy more privileges than the whites around them, then you are either deceitful or not very bright.
Then you go into "blacksplaining".
You fall for the "oppression" in America.
Have you ever seen the treatment white kids that dress like Goths get? Ever here them called freaks? Emo? Funny when blacks talk about the way people dress they always mention the "Thug" outfit, without realizing that a white person who wears his pants sagging and tank tops is also called a thug and also ridiculed. It isn't just a race thing, but don't let that stop blacks from making out about them. There are also many other types of styles and each and everyone gets criticized and mocked.
Then as black man, you know how often a white man is harassed and you know it is way less than what a black man is. That line might work with Dino, Fred and Patty (all naive, all sheltered and stunted mentally) but it doesn't work with me. Since you have no idea what it is like being white in this country, just like I wouldn't have a clue what it is like being black in this country. Just like I don't allow Fred to control arguments, I won't allow you to control the experiences that you cannot possibly know anything about.
You can go onto youtube and run a search of black on white violence, and you will see plenty of white people being harassed and attacked for being white. I witnessed this before the internet was a thing, to some it is "news" to me it has been happening for a long time. I have witnessed black cops forcibly arrest white people and have even had ex police officers admit that they target and profile white people. I have yet to have a single one admit that they do this with blacks.
Oh no, you were called "******"? (mods only using the same he is using, if the word breaks a rule, remove from both or our post or request both of us to remove). Let's see, Cracker, whitebread, honkey, beach boy, blowfish, cabbage, cancer, cocksauce and so many other slurs and names that I have been called by blacks. But hey, you were called a name, so that is important. Those slurs directed at are nothing and don't even rate on the same level, why? Privilege.
So simply put, you have not stated 1 thing that a white person in this country can also experience. Have you ever had to stand up in front of a college class and have the white, female, teacher make you state your privilege for the amusement of other whites? That happens in our colleges today, with black, female, professors making white kids stand up to go over their privileges while the black kids in class smirk and laugh and joke. The black kids are excluded from these exercises though.
Bottom line: You are right it is good to be black in America, which is why people like Rachel Dolenzel feel that being white is so terrible, she must identify as black.
Quote:You started out great... admitted to having black privilege. which is wonderful, and if more blacks admitted to having black privilege, then we can have a real honest discussion about race. You do mention a very good point of what privilege is and how it can mean different things to different people. The problem with that is, when you have a definition of a word and I have a similar but slightly different definition of that same word, then it creates confusion. To say we all have privileges, but you have more privileges is to simplistic and not very well argued. Different people from different background face different challenges. To lump all white people as privilege is to ignore their own struggles, which some have struggled more than some black people that they have met.
To first bold, I know it causes confusion, and that's my point. "Privilege" doesn't mean the same thing to everyone when arguing about white privilege which is why I stated my definition of it. Secondly, I don't think it's a matter of simplicity, I think it's a matter of agreements and disagreements. As I've already stated I could write paragraphs after paragraphs on this subject but I don't really care to.
To the second bold, could you please point me to the point in my post where I said or inferred that white people don't struggle? Cause I'm pretty sure I acknowledged that white people don't have perfect lives.
Quote:Sorry, but Jayden Smith and even daddy Will Smith has not struggled nearly as much as the majority of white people in this country. The video I posted has shown black success stories even before the end of slavery. If you think the children of those blacks "suffered" and didn't enjoy more privileges than the whites around them, then you are either deceitful or not very bright.
Then you go into "blacksplaining".
What point are you making here exactly? You're acting like I said black people always struggle or something. And blacksplaining? Not sure what that means but okay.
Quote:You fall for the "oppression" in America.
I don't fall for anything. I don't think I'm being oppressed. White privilege and oppression are two entirely seperate issues.
Quote:Have you ever seen the treatment white kids that dress like Goths get? Ever here them called freaks? Emo? Funny when blacks talk about the way people dress they always mention the "Thug" outfit, without realizing that a white person who wears his pants sagging and tank tops is also called a thug and also ridiculed. It isn't just a race thing, but don't let that stop blacks from making out about them. There are also many other types of styles and each and everyone gets criticized and mocked.
You're missing the point. A black person doesn't have to dress like a "thug" to be singled out as a "thug". That was the whole point I was trying to get at...... You're right, everyone does get harassed, but a lot of black people are singled out for being black regardless of how they dress and it happens more to them than it does to white people.
Quote:Then as black man, you know how often a white man is harassed and you know it is way less than what a black man is. That line might work with Dino, Fred and Patty (all naive, all sheltered and stunted mentally) but it doesn't work with me. Since you have no idea what it is like being white in this country, just like I wouldn't have a clue what it is like being black in this country. Just like I don't allow Fred to control arguments, I won't allow you to control the experiences that you cannot possibly know anything about.
If you don't have a clue what it's like being black in this country then why are you even arguing with me? You just basically voided you're entire argument about blacks. Obviously I see more value in your ability to think than you do in mine. You don't have to be of a particular race to get a general idea of how the world works.
Quote:You can go onto youtube and run a search of black on white violence, and you will see plenty of white people being harassed and attacked for being white. I witnessed this before the internet was a thing, to some it is "news" to me it has been happening for a long time. I have witnessed black cops forcibly arrest white people and have even had ex police officers admit that they target and profile white people. I have yet to have a single one admit that they do this with blacks.
Yep, you're right, I can go on youtube and watch such videos and there are black officers that profile whites, don't really see your point. And good grief..... you haven't had a single officer admit to you they do that with blacks..... as if that's supposed to prove something.
Quote:Oh no, you were called "******"? (mods only using the same he is using, if the word breaks a rule, remove from both or our post or request both of us to remove). Let's see, Cracker, whitebread, honkey, beach boy, blowfish, cabbage, cancer, cocksauce and so many other slurs and names that I have been called by blacks. But hey, you were called a name, so that is important. Those slurs directed at are nothing and don't even rate on the same level, why? Privilege.
It is important, just as much as you being called those things is important. The problem here is that you want to diminish these words because you don't really care, but these words are a problem because they perpetuated certain ideas about race. I never said white people don't get called names, but the idea behind black people being N words has a deeper problem too it. Of course they don't rate on the same level because they don't even mean the same thing.
Quote:So simply put, you have not stated 1 thing that a white person in this country can also experience. Have you ever had to stand up in front of a college class and have the white, female, teacher make you state your privilege for the amusement of other whites? That happens in our colleges today, with black, female, professors making white kids stand up to go over their privileges while the black kids in class smirk and laugh and joke. The black kids are excluded from these exercises though.
Well, no I have. The point I was making was that all the things black people experience are to a more severe extent. Obviously you will disagree with that. And no I haven't had to do that, but I don't see how that makes blacks more privileged.
(02-13-2016, 09:11 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: 2 ***** and probably a black. Try again children.
Patty you are not one to speak of strawman. You are the last person that should be accusing of strawman. Learn English first or at least proper definitions of words.
Man, I just liked what the dude had to say, that is all. Calling us children is a little...childish, maybe? Meh, I am just enjoying the debate. Carry on......
(02-13-2016, 10:50 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: Man, I just liked what the dude had to say, that is all. Calling us children is a little...childish, maybe? Meh, I am just enjoying the debate. Carry on......
SN is Biff from the Back to Future Movies...minus the charm.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(02-13-2016, 10:13 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: To first bold, I know it causes confusion, and that's my point. "Privilege" doesn't mean the same thing to everyone when arguing about white privilege which is why I stated my definition of it. Secondly, I don't think it's a matter of simplicity, I think it's a matter of agreements and disagreements. As I've already stated I could write paragraphs after paragraphs on this subject but I don't really care to.
To the second bold, could you please point me to the point in my post where I said or inferred that white people don't struggle? Cause I'm pretty sure I acknowledged that white people don't have perfect lives.
What point are you making here exactly? You're acting like I said black people always struggle or something. And blacksplaining? Not sure what that means but okay.
I don't fall for anything. I don't think I'm being oppressed. White privilege and oppression are two entirely seperate issues.
You're missing the point. A black person doesn't have to dress like a "thug" to be singled out as a "thug". That was the whole point I was trying to get at...... You're right, everyone does get harassed, but a lot of black people are singled out for being black regardless of how they dress and it happens more to them than it does to white people.
If you don't have a clue what it's like being black in this country then why are you even arguing with me? You just basically voided you're entire argument about blacks. Obviously I see more value in your ability to think than you do in mine. You don't have to be of a particular race to get a general idea of how the world works.
Yep, you're right, I can go on youtube and watch such videos and there are black officers that profile whites, don't really see your point. And good grief..... you haven't had a single officer admit to you they do that with blacks..... as if that's supposed to prove something.
It is important, just as much as you being called those things is important. The problem here is that you want to diminish these words because you don't really care, but these words are a problem because they perpetuated certain ideas about race. I never said white people don't get called names, but the idea behind black people being N words has a deeper problem too it. Of course they don't rate on the same level because they don't even mean the same thing.
Well, no I have. The point I was making was that all the things black people experience are to a more severe extent. Obviously you will disagree with that. And no I haven't had to do that, but I don't see how that makes blacks more privileged.
Oh, so you are going with, "I didn't say that, so please show where I did."
In your second paragraph you state that "blacks get harassed more in this country than whites." You didn't say that we don't struggle, only that blacks struggle MORE so. Which was the point I was making. The fact you think blacks struggle more than whites means that you think blacks deserve to complain about white privilege. So the struggle for blacks should be taken seriously, whites, let's just ignore them.
However, most on these boards, go with "I didn't say that" and they scream strawman a lot. So go right ahead and join them.
Blacksplaining is a play on the term whitesplaining, which liberals and blacks in the media have used against any white that tries to talk about racism. The original term was mansplaining, which feminist used to silence any man that would try to talk about the disparities between men and women. So liberals, thinking they are more clever than they really are, decided to play on the mansplaining by using the term whitesplaining. I am mocking them, by using the term blacksplaining.
White privilege is a form of white oppression. It is used as a tool to shame whites for being white. It assumes special powers and privileges are bestowed on white people at birth. So no, white privilege isn't oppression, it is a form of oppression. It is a way to marginalize whites, and as any liberal college will tell you, marginalizing a group of people is a bad thing. However, it seems to be OK as long as that group is white.
Now you are being very deceitful. Show 1 time a black man in a business suit was called a thug and was disrespected? If you say Gates, I will know you have an agenda, since Gates was the one that started by being disrespectful to a cop that was called to check on suspicious activity. The cop was just trying to find out who he was and what he was doing there. He was the one that escalated the situation, and got what he wanted, a video of his arrest to claim more victimhood status.
I will give you this one. I understand and sympathize with blacks in this country. I do know how tough life can be and I can relate to struggling with them. However, to say that I know and understand all the nuances of being black would be a lie. Just like it is a lie for you to claim to know how white people get treated better than black people in this country. You have no way of knowing this. You are not white. You can easily see my privilege, and even though you admit to having black privilege, you still can't so easily see your own.
Oh, so please show me the youtube videos of actual police racially profiling blacks.
Here is a video of what I actually said, that there are plenty of times whites are targeted by blacks for being white:
However, the video starts, after the start of the contact by the police officer. The "innocent" black man, was being rude, non compliant and argumentative with the officer. The slant that the biased black would have you believe is that he "dindu nuffin" and "why you stopping me". The cop himself is being racially profiled for being a "racist" cop, just because he is white.
This might be hard for blacks to believe, but a white man acting the same way will get the same treatment.
And there you go again.... "Sure it is a problem to be called slurs, BUT the issue is BIGGER when the word is ******", UMMMM, no. the issue isn't bigger, it is exactly the same. You can't claim extra status for a slur directed at you if you ever want me to take you seriously about wanting equality. If you want real equality you would be just as angry and outraged at blacks using racial slurs as you do whites. However, people name call, it happens, you can either grow up or you can cry like a child that hasn't grown thick skin.
You haven't showed one thing that blacks only experience in this country that white people haven't also been victims of. However by your own admission there is things in this country that white have been a victim of, yet blacks have had a pass at. At least that was before more whites have woken up to the insanity that is political correctness.
(02-13-2016, 09:11 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: 2 ***** and probably a black. Try again children.
Patty you are not one to speak of strawman. You are the last person that should be accusing of strawman. Learn English first or at least proper definitions of words.
(02-13-2016, 10:50 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: Man, I just liked what the dude had to say, that is all. Calling us children is a little...childish, maybe? Meh, I am just enjoying the debate. Carry on......
You liked his post and the reason why is because you are probably black.
If you are white and you like his post, which is heavily biased, then you are a *****.
Now Dino is white, Patty is white, so they are the *****.
I made an assumption that you are probably black.
To be honest you are more of a victim of guilty by association. I don't know you, don't know how you view things, but if you do side with Dino and Patty and think Crimson's post is anything but black empowerment while trying to keep the outspoken whitey silenced by reminding how, while we are all privileged, Whites are MORE SO, then you would have a childish view on this particular subject.
I will apologize though. I am sorry. I shouldn't have called you a child. It is wrong to do so.
The others are children or mentally stunted at a child level, so they don't get an apology from me.
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