Bombs mailed to Hillary, Obama

[*michaelsean*]

(10-24-2018, 11:15 PM)GMDino Wrote:

I'm seen this image twice now.  

Retweeted on Twitter from "Q", and then by a good friend on FB.  Who also said this:



Because I guess he doesn't want to let an opportunity to continue the vitriol.

Politics is the only thing he and I disagree on...and he is WAY to the right.

I see one misspelling.  "Brenan".  I can't even figure out what this person's point is.  If you asked me is this a lefty trying to implicate a righty or a righty trying to implicate a lefty I couldn't tell you.  And I know it's not just for information sake because then nobody would care.    

[GMDino]

(10-25-2018, 10:35 AM)bfine32 Wrote: So you condemn him for nothing more than words; yet, refuse to applaud him for nothing more than words? Seems fair. 

Nope.

I condemn him for the words that inspire incivility and his lies.  But one rally and one "change of heart" does not inspire me to believe him.  (He lies a lot.)

However I know that you (who did not vote for him and does not support him) will accept his "good words" with no doubt but dissect and "defend" everything else as "just words".

The man has a track record...some people refuse to acknowledge it...and until I see consistent change this is just an aberration based on the day's events.

Plus, as I noted, he takes no blame for his other words.  Not that I expected him to (or you to admit it).

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

Quick question, I've seen inconsistencies in how these devices were described. I've seen "explosive device" and "apparent explosive device". Has it been confirmed that all, or any, of these object were in fact viable explosive devices?

[GMDino]

(10-25-2018, 10:45 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I see one misspelling.  "Brenan".  I can't even figure out what this person's point is.  If you asked me is this a lefty trying to implicate a righty or a righty trying to implicate a lefty I couldn't tell you.  And I know it's not just for information sake because then nobody would care.    

Oy, he and I just don't talk politics...at all...but I asked where the photo came from.  Genuinely curious as the only one I had seen was attributed to Qannon.  (I later found out CNN released some images.)

The conversation went immediately downhill becuase...politics.





Understand I've known him longer than I've known my wife!  LOL!  We can go back and forth and still not be mad or hate each other....but he has gone way right since Obama was elected.  And he is probably one of the LEAST racist people I know.

[Au165]

(10-24-2018, 11:15 PM)GMDino Wrote:

I'm seen this image twice now.  

Retweeted on Twitter from "Q", and then by a good friend on FB.  Who also said this:



Because I guess he doesn't want to let an opportunity to continue the vitriol.

Politics is the only thing he and I disagree on...and he is WAY to the right.

So a couple things here strictly from the technical side...

• Gauge of wire means nothing
• Fireworks are often used in pieces as parts of a lot of improvised explosives because....they are explosive devices
• Clock is needed because you don't want it to explode in transit. My guess is the hope was it would sit inside on someones desk before being opened.
• Why do they believe it have an alarm function? Because there aren't old time bells on top? There is most likely a setting for an alarm that does create a trigger point at a board level that the wires are connected to.
• Why would the wiring not go end to end? There are plenty of ways to skin a cat the main thing is the wires are there to create ignition. My guess is there is exposed wire running inside the bomb that when the circuit completes on the time the clock is set for the exposed wired causes ignition of the material between the ends through arching or some other process.
  

People want to believe there is more to everything....when the reality is there are just crazy people in the world.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-25-2018, 11:02 AM)GMDino Wrote: Oy, he and I just don't talk politics...at all...but I asked where the photo came from.  Genuinely curious as the only one I had seen was attributed to Qannon.  (I later found out CNN released some images.)

The conversation went immediately downhill becuase...politics.





Understand I've known him longer than I've known my wife!  LOL!  We can go back and forth and still not be mad or hate each other....but he has gone way right since Obama was elected.  And he is probably one of the LEAST racist people I know.

I always wonder why people automatically believe people's technological/scientific  assessments.  Someone makes observations, like about that bomb, and other people just say OK.  We saw it a lot from nutjobs about 9/11 and pretty much any other conspiracy theory.  

[fredtoast]

It is kind of funny watching people trying to deflect Trumps promotion of violence.

It will also be interesting to see how much he tones it down. Many of the biggest cheers at his rallies have come from his quotes promoting violence.

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2018, 12:28 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is kind of funny watching people trying to deflect Trumps promotion of violence.

It will also be interesting to see how much he tones it down.  Many of the biggest cheers at his rallies have come from his quotes promoting violence.

Any examples of Trump promoting violence?

[fredtoast]

(10-25-2018, 12:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Any examples of Trump promoting violence?

Tons of them.  Most recently he glorified a guy who physically assaulted a reporter just for asking a question.

Montana congressman Greg Gianforte pled guilty to assault charges for body slamming a reporter.  

Donald Trump has praised Greg Gianforte, the Congress member from Montana, for violently attacking a Guardian reporter, saying that someone who performs a body slam is “my guy”.

“We endorsed Greg very early. But I heard that he body-slammed a reporter. This was the day of the election or just before, and I thought, ‘Oh, this is terrible! He’s going to lose the election.’”

Trump continued: “And then I said, ‘Wait a minute, I know Montana pretty well, I think it might help him.’ And it did.”
The line prompted another huge cheer from the Montana crowd.
The US president finished his account of the physical assault by saying of Gianforte: “He’s a great guy. Tough cookie.”

[fredtoast]

In February 2016, during his campaign for president, Trump told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, "So I got a little notice. We have wonderful security guys. It said, ‘Mr. Trump, there may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience.’ So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell .... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."


• November 2015. At a rally in Alabama, Trump said about a protester, "Get him the hell out of here, will you, please? Get him out of here. Throw him out!"
The following day, calling into Fox News, Trump responded to a question about allegations that the protester had been "roughed up." The protester, Trump said, had been "so obnoxious and so loud ... maybe he should have been roughed up. Maybe he should have been roughed up. Because it was totally disgusting what he was doing."

At one point at a rally in Michigan, Trump reiterated his pledge to pay legal fees for people who remove protesters. "Get him out," Trump said. "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."

March 2016. At a rally in North Carolina, Trump said, "In the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough. And when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily. But today they walk in and they put their hand up and they put the wrong finger in the air at everybody. And they get away with murder, because we’ve become weak."

"Part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long (to remove the protesters) is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right? And they're being politically correct the way they take them out. So it takes a little bit longer. And honestly, protesters they realize it -- they realize there are no consequences to protesting anymore. There used to be consequences. There are none anymore."

Trump said, "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?"

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amendment people—maybe there is. I don't know."

Trump calling the media "the enemy of the American people" is the exact language that Stalin and Mao used to justify purges of any people or parties that disagreed with them.

[GMDino]

(10-25-2018, 12:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Any examples of Trump promoting violence?

You spelled "I'm going to pretend I haven't been shown these example repeatedly for the last three years" wrong. 

[BmorePat87]

(10-25-2018, 12:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Any examples of Trump promoting violence?

Well, he did call a guy a "great guy" for body slamming a reporter, saying that being able to do that makes him "my type [of guy]".

He promised to pay the legal fees of anyone who "knocks the hell [out]" of protestors at his rally and said he'd like to punch protestors in the face. At one point he said of a protestor being taking out that "if you do [hurt him], I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it".  

[GMDino]

(10-25-2018, 12:28 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is kind of funny watching people trying to deflect Trumps promotion of violence.

It will also be interesting to see how much he tones it down.  Many of the biggest cheers at his rallies have come from his quotes promoting violence.

Just enough to blame the "fake news" media about 12 hours later.

A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 25, 2018

[Belsnickel]

(10-24-2018, 08:02 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Except for all the communist governments.

And I don’t know if it’s authoritarianism, but things like Canada saying it is an offense to not address a person by their chosen pronoun surely isn’t anti-authoritarian.

This is just one of those things that bothers me. Just because a country claims to be communist doesn't make it so. We really have not seen a communist nation-state. All those that have claimed to be communist have been authoritarian in nature, but by definition the two cannot exist in the same nation. Communism involves a democratic form of governance, which is in direct opposition to authoritarianism. What people perceive as communism is actually just the Soviet model, which was really rooted in Stalin's school of thought (and carried over by Mao) and really isn't communist, or even socialist for that matter.

(10-25-2018, 10:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: Or, while asking for civility, continuing to blame "the media" while taking no blame himself.

Yeah, that was why I don't care what he has to say. I'm just glad he isn't boosting conspiracy theories.

[Benton]

(10-25-2018, 12:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Any examples of Trump promoting violence?

(10-25-2018, 12:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Tons of them.  Most recently he glorified a guy who physically assaulted a reporter just for asking a question.

Montana congressman Greg Gianforte pled guilty to assault charges for body slamming a reporter.  

Donald Trump has praised Greg Gianforte, the Congress member from Montana, for violently attacking a Guardian reporter, saying that someone who performs a body slam is “my guy”.

“We endorsed Greg very early. But I heard that he body-slammed a reporter. This was the day of the election or just before, and I thought, ‘Oh, this is terrible! He’s going to lose the election.’”

Trump continued: “And then I said, ‘Wait a minute, I know Montana pretty well, I think it might help him.’ And it did.”
The line prompted another huge cheer from the Montana crowd.
The US president finished his account of the physical assault by saying of Gianforte: “He’s a great guy. Tough cookie.”

(10-25-2018, 12:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: In February 2016, during his campaign for president, Trump told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, "So I got a little notice. We have wonderful security guys. It said, ‘Mr. Trump, there may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience.’ So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell .... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."


• November 2015. At a rally in Alabama, Trump said about a protester, "Get him the hell out of here, will you, please? Get him out of here. Throw him out!"
The following day, calling into Fox News, Trump responded to a question about allegations that the protester had been "roughed up." The protester, Trump said, had been "so obnoxious and so loud ... maybe he should have been roughed up. Maybe he should have been roughed up. Because it was totally disgusting what he was doing."

At one point at a rally in Michigan, Trump reiterated his pledge to pay legal fees for people who remove protesters. "Get him out," Trump said. "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."

March 2016. At a rally in North Carolina, Trump said, "In the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough. And when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily. But today they walk in and they put their hand up and they put the wrong finger in the air at everybody. And they get away with murder, because we’ve become weak."

"Part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long (to remove the protesters) is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right? And they're being politically correct the way they take them out. So it takes a little bit longer. And honestly, protesters they realize it -- they realize there are no consequences to protesting anymore. There used to be consequences. There are none anymore."

Trump said, "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?"

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amendment people—maybe there is. I don't know."

Trump calling the media "the enemy of the American people" is the exact language that Stalin and Mao used to justify purges of any people or parties that disagreed with them.

(10-25-2018, 12:59 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Well, he did call a guy a "great guy" for body slamming a reporter, saying that being able to do that makes him "my type [of guy]".

He promised to pay the legal fees of anyone who "knocks the hell [out]" of protestors at his rally and said he'd like to punch protestors in the face. At one point he said of a protestor being taking out that "if you do [hurt him], I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it".  

Yeah, whatever.

Do you have any examples of him promoting violence against Republicans?

[GMDino]

(10-25-2018, 01:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is just one of those things that bothers me. Just because a country claims to be communist doesn't make it so. We really have not seen a communist nation-state. All those that have claimed to be communist have been authoritarian in nature, but by definition the two cannot exist in the same nation. Communism involves a democratic form of governance, which is in direct opposition to authoritarianism. What people perceive as communism is actually just the Soviet model, which was really rooted in Stalin's school of thought (and carried over by Mao) and really isn't communist, or even socialist for that matter.


Yeah, that was why I don't care what he has to say. I'm just glad he isn't boosting conspiracy theories.

Give him time.  It might rain this weekend and he won't be able to golf....

[Dill]

(10-25-2018, 10:33 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Actually the Postal Service point was a correlation to the 2nd Amendment remark. I'm surprised you missed that.

Nothing wrong with criticizing Trump but to do it in a manner with calls for causing disturbances, bombing the White House, and kicking folks is not constructive in my book; perhaps in yours. 

So am I, since I didn't.

So some "reactions" to Trump can help, if they don't involve bombing or kicking--or just "nothing wrong" with them?

Not sure who advocated kicking. Wasn't Holder, except in a figural sense. In my book anyway.

[Dill]

(10-25-2018, 01:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is just one of those things that bothers me. Just because a country claims to be communist doesn't make it so. We really have not seen a communist nation-state. All those that have claimed to be communist have been authoritarian in nature, but by definition the two cannot exist in the same nation. Communism involves a democratic form of governance, which is in direct opposition to authoritarianism. What people perceive as communism is actually just the Soviet model, which was really rooted in Stalin's school of thought (and carried over by Mao) and really isn't communist, or even socialist for that matter.

Funny you should say that. When German Democratic Republic called itself "democratic," few Americans believed them.  But when they called themselves "communist" most people did believe them.

If we are talking about Marx's version of Communism, the goal was not only democracy and equality, but also for the state to "wither away."

[Dill]

(10-25-2018, 12:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: In February 2016, during his campaign for president, Trump told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, "So I got a little notice. We have wonderful security guys. It said, ‘Mr. Trump, there may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience.’ So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell .... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."

• November 2015. At a rally in Alabama, Trump said about a protester, "Get him the hell out of here, will you, please? Get him out of here. Throw him out!"
The following day, calling into Fox News, Trump responded to a question about allegations that the protester had been "roughed up." The protester, Trump said, had been "so obnoxious and so loud ... maybe he should have been roughed up. Maybe he should have been roughed up. Because it was totally disgusting what he was doing."

At one point at a rally in Michigan, Trump reiterated his pledge to pay legal fees for people who remove protesters. "Get him out," Trump said. "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."

March 2016. At a rally in North Carolina, Trump said, "In the good old days this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough. And when they protested once, they would not do it again so easily. But today they walk in and they put their hand up and they put the wrong finger in the air at everybody. And they get away with murder, because we’ve become weak."

"Part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long (to remove the protesters) is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right? And they're being politically correct the way they take them out. So it takes a little bit longer. And honestly, protesters they realize it -- they realize there are no consequences to protesting anymore. There used to be consequences. There are none anymore."

Trump said, "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?"

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amendment people—maybe there is. I don't know."

Trump calling the media "the enemy of the American people" is the exact language that Stalin and Mao used to justify purges of any people or parties that disagreed with them.

This shows your deep bias towards the Democrats. If you weren't biased you'd have listed all times Obama and Clinton urged supporters to violence against the opposition.   Maybe the press never REPORTED that Hillary praised a party member for body slamming a reporter, but that doesn't mean she didn't.  I have a strong feeling she did. A VERY strong feeling. Why would someone who can order up the murder of a staffer balk at that?

Once Obama said "I don't like what that reporter said. It was factually inaccurate." But the liberal media never reported this attack on the press.  

Just reminding everyone that both sides do it.

[Benton]

(10-25-2018, 06:14 PM)Dill Wrote: Funny you should say that. When German Democratic Republic called itself "democratic," few Americans believed them.  But when they called themselves "communist" most people did believe them.

If we are talking about Marx's version of Communism, the goal was not only democracy and equality, but also for the state to "wither away."

If you want to start a fun argument with Libertarians, tell them the best way to boost their party numbers would be to start partnering with their local Communist party.