Broken Government

[NATI BENGALS]

Time for a redo?

I'm sorry. But I don't think the framers intended it to be this way.

Guy who the majority of Americans that voted DID NOT vote for appoints 1/3 of our Supreme Court to life time appointments...

LOLz no. That is called broke.

This government is broken. It may be time to tear the whole thing down and start over.

[Belsnickel]

Hey! I've only been saying this for several years now, before Trump was even on the ballot.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

And how, exactly do you propose to do that and what do you propose to replace it with? Also, what parts of the Constitution stay and which go?

[*bfine32*]

(09-22-2020, 09:26 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Time for a redo?

I'm sorry. But I don't think the framers intended it to be this way.

Guy who the majority of Americans that voted DID NOT vote for appoints 1/3 of our Supreme Court to life time appointments...

LOLz no. That is called broke.

This government is broken. It may be time to tear the whole thing down and start over.

Majority of Americans didn't vote for anyone in 2016, but I think the framers would be OK with the EC.

I also think they'd be cool with the way we select SCOTUS.

It's OK if you want to rewrite how the greatest country in the world operates, but don't say "The framers wouldn't want it this way". 

[*bfine32*]

(09-22-2020, 09:57 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: And how, exactly do you propose to do that and what do you propose to replace it with?  Also, what parts of the Constitution stay and which go?

The parts I like stay. The parts I don't go.

Unless the parts I don't like today benefit me tomorrow, then those also stay, unless I change my mind

Also if the parts  I like work against me in the future, then those must go, unless I want to bring them back at a later date

[NATI BENGALS]

(09-22-2020, 10:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Majority of Americans didn't vote for anyone in 2016, but I think the framers would be OK with the EC.

I also think they'd be cool with the way we select SCOTUS.

It's OK if you want to rewrite how the greatest country in the world operates, but don't say "The framers wouldn't want it this way". 

Like I said. The majority of Americans who voted DID NOT vote for him.

Don't say the framers would be OK with the EC when there is no bodies being counted as 3/5.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-22-2020, 11:18 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Like I said. The majority of Americans who voted DID NOT vote for him.

Don't say the framers would be OK with the EC when there is no bodies being counted as 3/5.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

We get it, you're in a twist and you're ranting.  But you haven't answered the salient questions. How do you replace it, what do you replace it with and what parts of the current Constitution do you keep and discard?

[Dill]

(09-22-2020, 09:26 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Time for a redo?

I'm sorry. But I don't think the framers intended it to be this way.

Guy who the majority of Americans that voted DID NOT vote for appoints 1/3 of our Supreme Court to life time appointments...

LOLz no. That is called broke.

This government is broken. It may be time to tear the whole thing down and start over.

Hannity was raging today about how liberal hypocrites want to break government now.

They don't get their way and the want to burn down the house.

They are coming for us. AOC in the lead.  

An alternative might be to support the opposing party and vote Trump, Barr and McConnell out of power.

They've done a lot of damage, but that's what Americans get for not taking politics seriously, supposing Trump and minions would be no different from any other administration. A 6-3 or 7-2 courtt may rub that mistake in real good.

China let this happen.

[NATI BENGALS]

(09-23-2020, 12:01 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: We get it, you're in a twist and you're ranting.  But you haven't answered the salient questions. How do you replace it, what do you replace it with and what parts of the current Constitution do you keep and discard?

That's not my rant. That is the first document written by the United States of America. 

I browsed over a couple of old documents. I didn't see anything mentioned anywhere were it said sit back and let the conman and turtleman from KY F you in the A. 

And like the Founding Fathers wrote That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

To answer your questions. It's coming in two weeks. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-23-2020, 12:24 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: That's not my rant. That is the first document written by the United States of America.

You don't say?   

Quote:I browsed over a couple of old documents. I didn't see anything mentioned anywhere were it said sit back and let the conman and turtleman from KY F you in the A. 

And like the Founding Fathers wrote That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

To answer your questions. It's coming in two weeks. 

What's in two weeks pray tell?

[NATI BENGALS]

(09-23-2020, 12:26 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You don't say?   


What's in two weeks pray tell?

I'll chalk that one up to you being as inconsistent as a Reds batter. Swinging at balls in the dirt and taking strikes down the middle. But I don't expect you to know much about that. 

I don't know what would have to happen for you to respect this line "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"?

[BmorePat87]

(09-22-2020, 11:18 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Don't say the framers would be OK with the EC when there is no bodies being counted as 3/5.

They wouldn't recognize the system either. All adults can vote? You're voting for candidates not electors? Every state is holding an election? No state legislatures are opting to just select their electors? 48 states are winner take all?

[BigPapaKain]

Easiest fix is ranked choice voting. Beyond that, it gets murky.

[fredtoast]

(09-23-2020, 03:10 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: They wouldn't recognize the system either. All adults can vote? You're voting for candidates not electors? Every state is holding an election? No state legislatures are opting to just select their electors? 48 states are winner take all?

Common citizens get to elect the Senators?

[fredtoast]

(09-22-2020, 10:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's OK if you want to rewrite how the greatest country in the world operates, but don't say "The framers wouldn't want it this way". 

The framers did a great job at the time, but times change.

The Framers did not want a standing army.  What do you think about that?

Also the industrial revolution changed the way wealth controls power.

The single smartest thing the founding fathers did was create a way to change the Constitution when it needed to be changed.

[BmorePat87]

(09-23-2020, 11:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Common citizens get to elect the Senators?

Yep, that was a major overhaul of the upper chamber of a branch of government. Why not overhaul how we elect another branch?

[jj22]

Government isn't broken, the character of the American voter is.

When someone who brags about sexual assault, pays off porn stars, cheats on 3 wives, calls on our enemy's to help win elections and attack our democracy, attacks veterans (purple hearts, gold star families, and our captured and tortured soldiers), mocks disabled, flirts/admires \the Dictators of the world AND still gets elected...…

Nothing is wrong with our Government. It's the American voter who has no class or character and elect those reflective of their (lack of) values.

Trump, while some of us just don't get how anyone would think he is our moral compass, or reflective of our values, is unfortunately Americans in a nutshell. What we are learning is that many (even on this board) was raised to be like him, raise their kids to be like him, and believe he is the picture perfect American way. We (those who have fought to maintain true American values and morale) have failed to maintain the values that made America the envy of the world.

But when you can brag about sexual assaults' on tape (no conspiracy theory, or fake news needed) , and still get elected, the problem isn't Government. It's the people. God Bless us, but our Democracy is done.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

How many posts in and not one example of how the government needs to be changed?

[jj22]

Government won't change until the people who elect them do. So I answered. At least I tried.

[Belsnickel]

(09-23-2020, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: How many posts in and not one example of how the government needs to be changed?

Eh, I had a thread trying to get that kind of thing a while ago and most people didn't play ball, there, either.