CA shooting: Domestic Terrorism

[*bfine32*]

(12-04-2015, 11:31 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I'm not talking about the remarks. I'm talking about the prayers. Shouldn't the politicians be more proactive with their prayers to prevent gun violence before it occurs rather than being reactive after the fact?

How do you know they are not?

[*michaelsean*]

(12-04-2015, 11:31 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I'm not talking about the remarks. I'm talking about the prayers. Shouldn't the politicians be more proactive with their prayers to prevent gun violence before it occurs rather than being reactive after the fact?

That was their remarks.  ie "prayers for victims and families."  It's what millions of people say to others during bad times, and why the assumption they don't pray that it doesn't happen again?

[StLucieBengal]

(12-04-2015, 08:51 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: No. That's ridiculous. The wife and I use Amazon Prime a ton. I don't think that's suspicious. 

We get a lot of foreign packages from my in laws. I wouldn't be surprised at all of we were ever asked about it. Probably the reason we haven't had anyone ask is because we are fairly social In the neighborhood. But putting that aside. I would not be shocked if we were ever questioned.

[StLucieBengal]

(12-04-2015, 11:37 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That was their remarks.  ie "prayers for victims and families."  It's what millions of people say to others during bad times, and why the assumption they don't pray that it doesn't happen again?

I do not understand this fake outrage because people sent prayers for the victims families .

I send prayers for loads of stuff.

[StLucieBengal]

So has anyone here discussed that since she was on a K-1 she had to go through tighter scrutiny than these refugees. And they missed she was radical.

And how it's not being reported that the woman radicalized the husband. And why have the authorities not gone through this mosque they attended?

[fredtoast]

(12-05-2015, 02:52 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So has anyone here discussed that since she was on a K-1 she had to go through tighter scrutiny than these refugees.   And they missed she was radical.  

And how it's not being reported that the woman radicalized the husband. 

All have this has been in the news.  I heard it on CNN.  What source told you that it was not being reported?  Maybe you need a better news source.

(12-05-2015, 02:52 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: And why have the authorities not gone through this mosque they attended?

Because there is no link to the mosque.

[Belsnickel]

(12-05-2015, 02:50 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I do not understand this fake outrage because people sent prayers for the victims families .

I send prayers for loads of stuff.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/05/458505532/after-mass-shootings-people-turn-to-prayer-and-prayer-shaming?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202705

[StLucieBengal]

(12-05-2015, 03:32 PM)fredtoast Wrote: All have this has been in the news.  I heard it on CNN.  What source told you that it was not being reported?  Maybe you need a better news source.


Because there is no link to the mosque.

Mainly referring to whether it was being discussed here.

Why did the admin hold the names so CAIR could set up a press conference with the family and the blink shiek's translator?

[StLucieBengal]

(12-05-2015, 08:05 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: http://www.npr.org/2015/12/05/458505532/after-mass-shootings-people-turn-to-prayer-and-prayer-shaming?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202705

What a shame. The daily news is outta line. To Trivialize people's sympathy and caring for others is wrong.

And using this to try and capitalize for more gun seizure/control is also in poor taste. Just as some of the GOP candidates tried to capitalize on the Paris attack by insisting the NSA needed more power to spy .

[*michaelsean*]

(12-05-2015, 08:13 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What a shame.   The daily news is outta line.    To Trivialize people's sympathy and caring for others is wrong.  

And using this to try and capitalize for more gun seizure/control is also in poor taste.   Just as some of the GOP candidates tried to capitalize on the Paris attack by insisting the NSA needed more power to spy .

I think the Dems should keep making fun of people praying.

[GMDino]

(12-05-2015, 10:53 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I think the Dems should keep making fun of people praying.

I was wondering about that.

I mean there is no proof that praying works or helps other than to make people "feel better."  

So is it "making fun of praying" to point that out?

I see posts all the time about how black "never" say or do anything about black on black crime.  Would it be okay if they just prayed about it?  Or would that be hypocritical to say?  

To say it is wrong to throw your hand up and say there's nothing we can do so we will just pray to a higher power to make it better isn't "making fun" of anything...it is pointing out what happens.

[*michaelsean*]

They said things like "our thoughts and prayers with the victims and their families". Not quite saying there is nothing we can do so we are turning it over to God.

[*Nately120*]

(12-05-2015, 08:13 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What a shame.   The daily news is outta line.    To Trivialize people's sympathy and caring for others is wrong.  

I think the criticism is coming from people who think the same political sector that does all the praying happens to be the one that helps facilitate all these things they need to pray for.

Let me put it in a way that might be more believable to you.  So I'm a left-win nutbag politician.  I enact a law that bans all guns from US citizens and my goon squad comes by and takes them from all the law-abiding citizens.  In your mind, I've done something that puts you, your family, and many good citizens at risk.

You criticize me, but I tell you that I'm praying the criminals all turn in their guns.  I am also praying that you and the rest of the citizens who are now unarmed will be safe.  When you are shot and killed by some criminal who has a gun because he didn't follow the law, I tell your family that I will pray for you and that your death is just a terrible tragedy.  Maybe I open the borders against your wishes and when the terrorists flood through I change nothing but assure you everyone who is being killed thanks to me is in my thoughts and prayers.

To me it's not about whether prayer works or not, it's about people doing something you feel is putting you and others at risk and then sending some simply platitudes out there in response.  It just reminds me of people who say they are sorry and then keep doing the same thing.  Either change what you are doing or stop pretending you are sorry.

Words are cheap, and in my worthless opinion politicians have really done a lot to turn me off of prayer and religion.  But that's just me. When my ol' man was terminally ill and people said "He's in my prayers" I didn't scoff or tell them to shut up or that prayer was pointless...because I believed they were sincere. Politicians can kiss my ass.

[StLucieBengal]

(12-06-2015, 12:16 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I think the criticism is coming from people who think the same political sector that does all the praying happens to be the one that helps facilitate all these things they need to pray for.

Let me put it in a way that might be more believable to you.  So I'm a left-win nutbag politician.  I enact a law that bans all guns from US citizens and my goon squad comes by and takes them from all the law-abiding citizens.  In your mind, I've done something that puts you, your family, and many good citizens at risk.

You criticize me, but I tell you that I'm praying the criminals all turn in their guns.  I am also praying that you and the rest of the citizens who are now unarmed will be safe.  When you are shot and killed by some criminal who has a gun because he didn't follow the law, I tell your family that I will pray for you and that your death is just a terrible tragedy.  Maybe I open the borders against your wishes and when the terrorists flood through I change nothing but assure you everyone who is being killed thanks to me is in my thoughts and prayers.

To me it's not about whether prayer works or not, it's about people doing something you feel is putting you and others at risk and then sending some simply platitudes out there in response.  It just reminds me of people who say they are sorry and then keep doing the same thing.  Either change what you are doing or stop pretending you are sorry.

Words are cheap, and in my worthless opinion politicians have really done a lot to turn me off of prayer and religion.  But that's just me.  When my ol' man was terminally ill and people said "He's in my prayers" I didn't scoff or tell them to shut up or that prayer was pointless...because I believed they were sincere.  Politicians can kiss my ass.

the dems are as drunk on gun control as progressive GOP are on the NSA spying.... That never seems to stop any terrorist.

Both are ridiculous debates. Criminals will always be armed. In the UK the top selling item on Amazon was a baseball bat. They also want to ban knives with a pointy blade. When you make laws to keep people safe it just becomes ridiculous .

As for praying ... You had it right whether you believe or not... someone is trying to give comfort in the Best way they know how. You just say thanks and move on ... No need to lecture them or call them stupid.

[*bfine32*]

(12-06-2015, 12:16 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I think the criticism is coming from people who think the same political sector that does all the praying happens to be the one that helps facilitate all these things they need to pray for.

Let me put it in a way that might be more believable to you.  So I'm a left-win nutbag politician.  I enact a law that bans all guns from US citizens and my goon squad comes by and takes them from all the law-abiding citizens.  In your mind, I've done something that puts you, your family, and many good citizens at risk.

You criticize me, but I tell you that I'm praying the criminals all turn in their guns.  I am also praying that you and the rest of the citizens who are now unarmed will be safe.  When you are shot and killed by some criminal who has a gun because he didn't follow the law, I tell your family that I will pray for you and that your death is just a terrible tragedy.  Maybe I open the borders against your wishes and when the terrorists flood through I change nothing but assure you everyone who is being killed thanks to me is in my thoughts and prayers.

To me it's not about whether prayer works or not, it's about people doing something you feel is putting you and others at risk and then sending some simply platitudes out there in response.  It just reminds me of people who say they are sorry and then keep doing the same thing.  Either change what you are doing or stop pretending you are sorry.

Words are cheap, and in my worthless opinion politicians have really done a lot to turn me off of prayer and religion.  But that's just me.  When my ol' man was terminally ill and people said "He's in my prayers" I didn't scoff or tell them to shut up or that prayer was pointless...because I believed they were sincere.  Politicians can kiss my ass.

Tee Hee

[*Nately120*]

(12-06-2015, 03:33 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Tee Hee

Solid retort.

[JustWinBaby]

(12-06-2015, 01:53 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: ...In the UK the top selling item on Amazon was a baseball bat. 

***waiting for Dino to fact check***

And, unless you're Babe Ruth, you can't slaughter dozens with a baseball bat.

[Rotobeast]

(12-06-2015, 08:06 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: ***waiting for Dino to fact check***

And, unless you're Babe Ruth, you can't slaughter dozens with a baseball bat.

Sure you can.
You just wouldn't attack dozens that happen to be in the same room. 
Some nutjob could kill a couple dozen people in a public library with a pillow, if they started from the outside edges of the building and worked toward the center. 
Never underestimate a lunatic.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-04-2015, 11:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: How do you know they are not?

Efficacy.

[fredtoast]

(12-04-2015, 06:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ...or they could just pass laws to make murder illegal; that should work.

Honest question for you.

If murder was legal don't you think the murder rate would rise dramatically?