Can someone explain to me.... (regarding Trump)

[*bfine32*]

(11-15-2016, 10:51 AM)GMDino Wrote: Too bad that wasn't investigated.

Oh, but it was investigated and it was determined that she did indeed but classified information at risk. It is just that those doing the investigating asserted she did it out of carelessness and not intent and the DOJ accepted this. 

[*bfine32*]

(11-15-2016, 11:16 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: Not really.

If your saying that the meme I posted and the Hillary allegation are both used for political hay, then I can see that. But there are some differences.
The meme is about an inherent difference between the left and the right. It is basically saying that the left prioritizes racial equality higher than the right. I believe this to be true. It doesn't mean that the right gives it no priority. Just that they prioritize other things higher (i.e. they don't see it as as big of a problem currently). The left tends to scrutinize the right based upon that criteria, the right tends to reject that scrutiny as over-blown and as an attempt to call everyone on the right a "racist" (which, admittedly, there are some on the left who do this).

..and the Right values security of Government secrets over the Left.

Point is throughout the campaign both sides freely admitted their's was not a perfect candidate; however, one had to win. The Right won and the Left has not accepted it. They have questioned the Constitution, called for the EC to go against the will of those that voted, slurred the President Elect, and those that casted their vote for him. Althe while sitting atop of some fabricated high ground. 

[Dill]

(11-15-2016, 10:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: And those that went with Hills decided that compromising Government secrets isn't a deal-breaker. End of story. 

Sometimes you have to chose the Devil you dance with. 

Yes, I will cop to that. And I chose the devil that knows what she is doing over the racist who doesn't--the guy who just asked for top secret security clearance for his children.

Colin Powell also used private email as secretary of state and I still have a TON of respect for the guy.

[Dill]

(11-15-2016, 07:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: The problem I have with some of these stories is that once the media (all media kids...not just the "lamestream" media) grabs on to a thing it gets the front page.  So these may have always been going on and mostly ignored as background noise or they could be new based on current events.

A reasonable response, Dino. But here's the thing--it's not just US youth who feel inspired by Trump to go public with their racism.

Something in his message has emboldened right-wing militias and the klan as well.

And overseas, fascist or protofascist parties in Europe see the same thing. The Golden Dawn, the Falange, Le Pen in France, Geert Wilders in Holland, are celebrating Trump's victory as much as the US White Power movement.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(11-15-2016, 10:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: And those that went with Hills decided that compromising Government secrets isn't a deal-breaker. End of story. 

Sometimes you have to chose the Devil you dance with. 

What secrets were compromised and by whom?

[Dill]

(11-15-2016, 09:48 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: This all changed around 1988 during the first Bush Admin. The FCC was ordered to change their rules and no longer monitor the political content in the media. This wasn't such a big deal at the time. It was made because cable TV was expanding to almost 100 stations (at that time) and the GOP, who have generally mistrusted media since the 60's anyway, felt this would even the playing field in media. There could be stations which promoted their views. Also, biased "shock jock" radio was becomng more popular.

I don't think that they envisioned the transformations that would occur during the next couple of decades. Fox News, a young upstart trying to make a name among the original "Big 3", would transform itself into a conservative flagship and would successfully feed off of right-wing media mistrust. Additionally, the internet suddenly became 'a thing'. Now, we don't even use the phrase "surfing the web". It is just part of daily life: what you do everyday. And with the internet, you could go anywhere you want and live there. You don't ever have to hear news you don't want to hear.

Rep for a fine history presentation.  I would only add that Fox doesn't just "feed" off right-wing media mistrust. It has intensified and expanded that mistrust to cover millions of voters now. It mainstreams the kind of right-wing extremism that was always marginal back when the big three were our primary news sources. Back when Eisenhower was a Communist and flouridation was a Communist plot.

[Bengalzona]

(11-15-2016, 11:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote: ..and the Right values security of Government secrets over the Left.

Point is throughout the campaign both sides freely admitted their's was not a perfect candidate; however, one had to win. The Right won and the Left has not accepted it. They have questioned the Constitution, called for the EC to go against the will of those that voted, slurred the President Elect, and those that casted their vote for him. Althe while sitting atop of some fabricated high ground. 

In contrast to the right accepting President Obama? That never happened either.

[Dill]

(11-15-2016, 11:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote: ..and the Right values security of Government secrets over the Left.

Point is throughout the campaign both sides freely admitted their's was not a perfect candidate; however, one had to win. The Right won and the Left has not accepted it. They have questioned the Constitution, called for the EC to go against the will of those that voted, slurred the President Elect, and those that casted their vote for him. Althe while sitting atop of some fabricated high ground. 

Not sure who "the Left" is in your story. 

Trump called the system that produced his victory "rigged" and urged his supporters not to accept his loss if he lost, but to march on Washington.

Hillary has congratulated Trump on his win. Obama is working overtime to help a guy who knows nothing about government into the most complicated government job in the world.

Some people are demonstrating in the streets--understandably given the impending disaster. Civil rights/voting rights have obviously been dealt a blow. But Democratic leadership continues to behave like adults. No reason to expect that the Trump team would have. There is no "fabricated" high ground here.

[Dill]

(11-14-2016, 06:12 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Settling lawsuits for housing discrimination is basically an admission of guilt imo.

Saying he hated having blacks count his money at his casino was another that stood out to me.

I though that was Jews, no wait. You're right. He WANTED Jews counting his money. It's what they are good at, right?

[*bfine32*]

(11-15-2016, 12:05 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: What secrets were compromised and by whom?

Any classified information she shared on her private server was compromised (to expose or make vulnerable to danger), and the whom is Hillary.


Credit and rep goes to Dill for not being deliberately naive in an effort to justify the fabricated high ground. He understood what Hillary did and deemed her the lesser of the two evils. 

[GMDino]

(11-15-2016, 11:35 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Oh, but it was investigated and it was determined that she did indeed but classified information at risk. It is just that those doing the investigating asserted she did it out of carelessness and not intent and the DOJ accepted this. 

...and that nothing actually happened and no charges should be filed.

[*bfine32*]

(11-15-2016, 12:11 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: In contrast to the right accepting President Obama? That never happened either.

Mostly I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. 

[*bfine32*]

(11-15-2016, 12:15 PM)Dill Wrote: Not sure who "the Left" is in your story. 

Hit the back arrow, read the thread titles and content. This will help you determine who the Left is in my story. 

[Bengalzona]

(11-15-2016, 12:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Mostly I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. 

The you and me are buds, brah! :andy:

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(11-15-2016, 12:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Any classified information she shared on her private server was compromised (to expose or make vulnerable to danger), and the whom is Hillary.


Credit and rep goes to Dill for not being deliberately naive in an effort to justify the fabricated high ground. He understood what Hillary did and deemed her the lesser of the two evils. 

Give me a specific example of a specific government secret which was compromised. 

If I sent you an uncoded, unencrypted message in the clear over an unsecured net and no one received that message other than you; then that message hasn't been compromised. Credit goes to you for deliberately pretending to be obtuse. So now that we have cleared up your "confusion," who compromised government secrets?  Russia, China, North Korea?

[*bfine32*]

(11-15-2016, 01:08 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Give me a specific example of a specific government secret which was compromised. 

If I sent you an uncoded, unencrypted message in the clear over an unsecured net and no one received that message other than you; then that message hasn't been compromised. Credit goes to you for deliberately pretending to be obtuse. So now that we have cleared up your "confusion," who compromised government secrets?  Russia, China, North Korea?

In the example provided you have compromised the message "to expose (something) to risk or danger". Not sure why you are arguing the semantics. It was determined that Hillary transmitted classified data on her personal server; there is no arguing this.


Whether anyone intercepted the data she compromised or the damage it has/ may cause the Nation is in dispute. Unsure of what I am being obtuse about or confused over; however, I have no doubt in your head you believe I am. 

[CKwi88]

Huh...post election and we get to hear about the defeated candidate's E-mails.

Surprise

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(11-15-2016, 01:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: In the example provided you have compromised the message "to expose (something) to risk or danger". Not sure why you are arguing the semantics. It was determined that Hillary transmitted classified data on her personal server; there is no arguing this.


Whether anyone intercepted the data she compromised or the damage it has/ may cause the Nation is in dispute. Unsure of what I am being obtuse about or confused over; however, I have no doubt in your head you believe I am. 

If something is unsecured it isn't necessarily compromised.  Just like if I crossed a large, open danger area during broad daylight, I'm not compromised if the enemy doesn't see me. 

[Belsnickel]

I think one of the concerns with minority groups that is being overlooked isn't even necessarily his policies, but the atmosphere. We've seen an increased normalization of hatefulness, lately. I've witnessed it first hand, heard about it second and third hand. It's more than a little concerning when people feel comfortable being very openly racist now when they weren't a week ago.

I don't know if anyone had brought that up or not, didn't feel like reading through all the responses, but I did see a lot of talk about policies really being unknown, and of course the Pence factor. But this atmosphere has so much of an impact on people.

[Belsnickel]

(11-15-2016, 01:20 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Huh...post election and we get to hear about the defeated candidate's E-mails.

Surprise

Yet no mention of Pence fighting to keep his secret.