Chauvin Will Be Innocent- Prepare For Riots

[*Nately120*]

So according to this thread the police responded to a man who had 3 times a lethal dose of drugs in his system by restraining him until he died of a drug overdose? That seems like a bizarre defense to have, but it might be true I guess because it's still pretty damning.

Chauvin didn't kill him, so much as he pinned a dying man to the ground until he died? That's a magic bullet defense? Still seems like a LEO should be pretty legally culpable for restraining someone who is in dire need of medical help.

[fredtoast]

I will say this. Brad may not know much about the evidence and testimony at this trial, but there is still a good chance Chauvin is either acquitted or only convicted of a minor offense.

It is difficult to convict a police officer of anything.

[BFritz21]

(04-09-2021, 11:37 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I don’t know how much neck vs back matters. If you have weight in your chest or back, it hinders your ability to breathe. The more weight, the less able you are to breathe.

(04-10-2021, 12:55 AM)Benton Wrote: https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvin-trial-expert-lack-of-oxygen-killed-floyd-b1092d8b70ea934776161355fdf171a4

If they listen to specialists, no.

If they listen to some dude on a message board... hell, I dunno. How many people on the board are medical doctors? How many talking heads saying Chauvin deserved to die are doctors? If I put my 200 pounds on someone's chest do they suffocate slower than if I do it on the back of their neck?

(04-10-2021, 10:58 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Not really.  The weight on his back still compressed his lungs and made it harder for him to breathe.

All of you seriously don't think that someone kneeling on a person's back is less dangerous than a person kneeling on their neck?  

Making it harder to breathe is one thing, but how much less harmful is it than kneeling on their neck?  You do realize that the neck is the airway connects the mouth, which is where the oxygen enters the body, to the lungs, which is where it ends up?

[GMDino]

(04-10-2021, 03:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: All of you seriously don't think that someone kneeling on a person's back is less dangerous than a person kneeling on their neck?  

Making it harder to breathe is one thing, but how much less harmful is it than kneeling on their neck?  You do realize that the neck is the airway connects the mouth, which is where the oxygen enters the body, to the lungs, which is where it ends up?

If you would listen to the experts who testified you'd know.  But I'm sure Ben Shapiro is *just* as informed.

[BFritz21]

(04-10-2021, 01:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I will say this.  Brad may not know much about the evidence and testimony at this trial, but there is still a good chance Chauvin is either acquitted or only convicted of a minor offense.

It is difficult to convict a police officer of anything.

How is that legal to take shots at me? 


What makes your knowledge on this case, or anyone else that has commented, more informed than mine?

You were arguing against my opinion that he'll be acquitted or convicted of a lesser offense, but now that it's going further along, you agree with me, so care to take back all your previous, condescending posts?

[mallorian69]

(04-09-2021, 03:37 PM)Goalpost Wrote: The drug part bothers me but it is what it is.  He seems to be kneeling on him and not listening to his plea for help.  I still don't think causing 200 million in damage to a city or whatever is was is acceptable.  A lot of other innocent people were further ruined.

Get ready for another 200 million no matter what the jury decides. If he's acquitted they will burn it down for justice. If he's convicted they will burn it down in celebration. Either way the city is gonna burn.

[fredtoast]

(04-10-2021, 03:38 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: What makes your knowledge on this case, or anyone else that has commented, more informed than mine?

My ability to look at news sources that are not exclusively from the right-wing echo chamber.

It is not just me.  Multiple people in this thread have posted testimony from the trial (not just their own personal opinion) that disporves many of the claims Shapiro made.

[fredtoast]

(04-10-2021, 03:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: All of you seriously don't think that someone kneeling on a person's back is less dangerous than a person kneeling on their neck?  

Making it harder to breathe is one thing, but how much less harmful is it than kneeling on their neck?  You do realize that the neck is the airway connects the mouth, which is where the oxygen enters the body, to the lungs, which is where it ends up?

It is also less dangerous to shoot someone in the body than in the head, but both can kill you.

So what is your point?

[BFritz21]

(04-10-2021, 08:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is also less dangerous to shoot someone in the body than in the head, but both can kill you.

So what is your point?

Kneeling on someone's shoulder can normally kill a person?

[*michaelsean*]

(04-10-2021, 03:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: All of you seriously don't think that someone kneeling on a person's back is less dangerous than a person kneeling on their neck?  

Making it harder to breathe is one thing, but how much less harmful is it than kneeling on their neck?  You do realize that the neck is the airway connects the mouth, which is where the oxygen enters the body, to the lungs, which is where it ends up?

I did not know if it’s less dangerous or not, but it’s potentially fatal. They use to put a heavy stone on a persons chest as a form of execution. The back is no different.

[KillerGoose]

(04-10-2021, 08:42 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Kneeling on someone's shoulder can normally kill a person?

Kneeling on someone’s back can, yes. In this case, Floyd had a bad heart to put it simply. The restraint he was put in suppressed his oxygen intake by force. His airway wasn’t restricted, but his lungs were. It is similar to if you lay down on the ground and have someone stand on your upper back. It immediately becomes much more difficult to breathe. You can achieve a similar effect by kneeling on someone and putting a majority of your weight onto that knee. It compresses their chest, and their lungs.

Floyd didn’t die by asphyxiation, he died by cardiac arrest because his heart couldn’t get the oxygen it needed to due to the restraint he was in. This was exacerbated by the drugs he had in his system.

[fredtoast]

(04-10-2021, 08:42 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Kneeling on someone's shoulder can normally kill a person?

Instead of asking us these questions why not listen to what the medical experts testified to in the trial?

If enough weight is placed on your back or shoulders for long enough you will die because your lungs can't expand enough to breath.

[*Nately120*]

(04-10-2021, 08:42 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Kneeling on someone's shoulder can normally kill a person?

Yes, restraining someone who needs medical attention can kill that person. According to you george Floyd was dying of a drug overdose and the police restrained him until he died.  

[Benton]

(04-10-2021, 03:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: All of you seriously don't think that someone kneeling on a person's back is less dangerous than a person kneeling on their neck?  

Making it harder to breathe is one thing, but how much less harmful is it than kneeling on their neck?  You do realize that the neck is the airway connects the mouth, which is where the oxygen enters the body, to the lungs, which is where it ends up?

If i stand on your neck, you die in what, 2 minutes?

If I stand on your chest, you die in what, 5-10 minutes?

It's ok cause it took me longer to kill you?

[BmorePat87]

(04-10-2021, 03:38 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: What makes your knowledge on this case, or anyone else that has commented, more informed than mine?

His law degree?

[Belsnickel]

(04-12-2021, 01:16 AM)Benton Wrote: If i stand on your neck, you die in what, 2 minutes?

If I stand on your chest, you die in what, 5-10 minutes?

It's ok cause it took me longer to kill you?

I could argue that it is actually worse, because when things take longer to kill you it is cruel and unusual and then faces constitutional considerations.

[BFritz21]

(04-12-2021, 07:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: His law degree?

His law degree allowed him access to facts that the rest of us don't have?

[Dill]

Howcum what the media won't show me is what I see on tv every day.

[*Nately120*]

(04-12-2021, 08:43 PM)Dill Wrote: Howcum what the media won't show me is what I see on tv every day.

Reminds me of the way every women's magazine at the grocery store checkout line has the secret to burning belly fat you can't find anywhere else, or those late night informercials that have the secrets to becoming a real estate gazillionaire that "THEY" don't want you to know, or that moblin you find hiding under the bushes in The Legend of Zelda who assures you the rupees he gives you are "A SECRET TO EVERYONE."  People sure do like to make it seem like they have ultra secret info.

[Dill]

(04-12-2021, 08:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: His law degree allowed him access to facts that the rest of us don't have?

A law degree might help one better assess which facts have legal import and consequence.

I don't think I know more about law and courts than lawyers.