Christian Nationalism; The Right-wing Addiction

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-13-2022, 04:08 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who ignores the good a religion can do for an individual. The problems arise when the individual forces that religion on those who don't want to live under that person's chosen path.

Then why do you get so worked up over a Pamphlet in your mailbox? That's not really anyone "forcing their Religion" on you. That piece of paper holds no power over you, unless you give that power. So see it, toss it and finish your run.

[BigPapaKain]

(07-13-2022, 04:31 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Then why do you get so worked up over a Pamphlet in your mailbox? That's not really anyone "forcing their Religion" on you. That piece of paper holds no power over you, unless you give that power. So see it, toss it and finish your run.

A: I get just as annoyed with pre-approved credit card offers as I do with churches pamphlets. It's a waste of paper and my time - if I want to do business with you (and don't kid yourselves, religion is a business first) I'll reach out to you in a way less wasteful.

B: you're right that it doesn't hold power over me, at least not yet. Of course no other religion is pushing to be a national law making body in this country, so it's irritating that they're ignoring the basis of the Constitution AND their own religion. I have a problem with direct and willful hypocrisy, no matter the source. That the church is constantly doing as such is annoying to me.

At the end of the day, I'll continue to shit on the church in every shape and form I can until they either gain control of the country and execute me or knock it the **** off. And since my comments don't have any power over you, ignore it and finish your run.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-13-2022, 04:39 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: A: I get just as annoyed with pre-approved credit card offers as I do with churches pamphlets. It's a waste of paper and my time - if I want to do business with you (and don't kid yourselves, religion is a business first) I'll reach out to you in a way less wasteful.

B: you're right that it doesn't hold power over me, at least not yet. Of course no other religion is pushing to be a national law making body in this country, so it's irritating that they're ignoring the basis of the Constitution AND their own religion. I have a problem with direct and willful hypocrisy, no matter the source. That the church is constantly doing as such is annoying to me.

At the end of the day, I'll continue to shit on the church in every shape and form I can until they either gain control of the country and execute me or knock it the **** off. And since my comments don't have any power over you, ignore it and finish your run.

LOL I was curious if you got pissed at CC offers as well. At least you aren't discriminating 

[BigPapaKain]

(07-13-2022, 05:00 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL I was curious if you got pissed at CC offers as well. At least you aren't discriminating 

I genuinely do. Like mother ***** I have enough debt. Leave me alone lol

[*michaelsean*]

(07-13-2022, 04:26 PM)Lucidus Wrote: In the Pew Research numbers I cited in the OP, 68% of all Christians surveyed thought that laws should be influenced at least somewhat by the Bible. That's a disturbing number and definitely more than just the extremists. While it's the hardcore Evangelical movement that is the driving force in terms of the desire for Christian Nationalism, there are far too many moderate Christians who seem to share the Evangelical idea of using the Bible to influence law and policy. 


Perhaps I'm misunderstanding; but are you stating that belief in God, by way of Jesus, isn't extremely important? That would seem to render John 3:16-18 rather useless. 


As difficult as it is for me, I will refrain from espousing my thoughts on the Catholic Church.


There's no denying that everyone interprets the Biblical passages in their own way. Sometimes for very nefarious reasons. Sometimes for selfish reasons. Sometimes for innocuous reasons. 


If you're stating the Bible should be viewed as simply a literary work, then I agree. 


I'll leave this one alone as well.


I understand what you're trying to say, but at the same time, we must acknowledge that for any instance of meaningful allegory, there is also an utterly absurd or disturbing instruction meant to be taken very literally.



This is part of the problem. You could view the Noah's ark story as allegory. However, the means of "starting anew" required the extermination of every single human except for one chosen group. That seems an incredibly dangerous allegory.

Sorry I don’t know how to break out just my quote. All of the following statements are my own beliefs, in a rough probably not completely accurate, view of God. Yes I am saying that your eternal self is quite safe. I believe Jesus was Misinterpreted and misquoted. There is nothing you or I have to do. This isn’t a test which would be a ridiculous endeavor by God. You come into this world knowing nothing and God is going to give you X amount of years to figure it out or He will torture you forever. PS He loves you unconditionally. Huh? There’s no rational purpose to that. I think that we and everything else is God. The separation that we experience as reality is in fact the illusion. I still try to work out a lot, and cannot give answers that will satisfy anyone, but the thing is, the more I ponder this God and not the God of religion, the more I’m convinced there is something there.

[Leon]

(07-13-2022, 09:46 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Sorry I don’t know how to break out just my quote.  All of the following statements are my own beliefs, in a rough probably not completely accurate, view of God. Yes I am saying that your eternal self is quite safe.  I believe Jesus was Misinterpreted and misquoted. There is nothing you or I have to do. This isn’t a test which would be a ridiculous endeavor by God. You come into this world knowing nothing and God is going to give you X amount of years to figure it out or He will torture you forever. PS He loves you unconditionally. Huh?  There’s   no rational purpose to that. I think that we and everything else is God. The separation that we experience as reality is in fact the illusion. I still try to work out a lot, and cannot give answers that will satisfy anyone, but the thing is, the more I ponder this God and not the God of religion, the more I’m convinced there is something there.

the Christian God is the only god there is, and he doesn't just give out free passes to the Kingdom. you have to repent of your sins and you have to accept Jesus as your lord and savior. this is clearly instruction in the Word, straight from God.

[Leon]

(07-09-2022, 09:51 PM)Lucidus Wrote: God, the Holy Bible and interpretations of the Word; all things that lack grounding in reality as it pertains to their ability to be verified by any demonstrable method. That is to say -- propositions for which faith necessarily serves as the foundation for belief.

When it comes to the the political process -- religion should carry no more weight than astrology, telepathy, numerology, the paranormal, Flat Earth theory or Q-Anon conspiracies; all suffering from the same absence of naturalistic / scientific evidence.

However, the American political landscape is saturated with religious ideology and influence on the right; from the Republican voter base all the way up to the SCOTUS conservative majority. That saturation is fueled, in large part, by the notion that religious moral authority should supersede church - state separation; including the legislative and judicial process.

Pew Research polling has provided some rather disturbing results:

When asked whether the Bible should influence laws -- either greatly or somewhat; 67% of Republicans said yes, 68% of Christians, and 89% of White Evangelicals (who have become an incredibly vocal and powerful faction on the right).

In addition, 45% of Republicans believed that teachers should be able to lead students in prayer, and 60% thought religious symbols should be displayed on public properties.

Religion, and it's adherents / advocates, enjoy a privileged status that is wholly undeserved and nonsensical. It should zero place in the political - legislative - judicial arena, as it offers nothing more than affirmations of it's own validity, sans any real-world attestation. Yet, alarming numbers in one political party -- and their acolytes in all governmental bodies -- are not only accepting of the power and influence wielded by religion, but are actively pursuing ways to make it even greater.

The invocation of religion by anyone and in any aspect of lawmaking, legal interpretation, constitutional foundation, secular education, civil rights, bans, restrictions, environmental issues, etc., should be widely and profoundly rejected by all who value church - state separation and reality-based forms of evidence. 

This is a most important time in America's history, as there is a very real desire for Christian Nationalism. The means for achieving said desire have been pursued and put in place in a very methodical fashion over the years. However, the effort is no longer one taking place in the shadows or behind closed doors; it's now very much out in the open and unapologetically brazen. 

The goal of the religious right is to impose their morality on everyone; with that morality being derived from barbaric antiquities. 

this is straight propoganda and is just a way of trying to silence religious people. why do you want us not to have a voice. everyone makes up their mind on what they believe, but we aren't allowed to? sounds an awful lot like discrimination to me.

[BigPapaKain]

(07-21-2022, 03:15 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: this is straight propoganda and is just a way of trying to silence religious people. why do you want us not to have a voice. everyone makes up their mind on what they believe, but we aren't allowed to? sounds an awful lot like discrimination to me.

Have your voice, but do what your book says and keep your faith to yourselves. 

[Leon]

(07-21-2022, 03:20 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Have your voice, but do what your book says and keep your faith to yourselves. 

1 Peter 4:10-11. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms. If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.

[BigPapaKain]

(07-21-2022, 03:23 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: 1 Peter 4:10-11. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms. If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.

Matthew 6:5, 6:6
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.


But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen

[Leon]

(07-21-2022, 03:25 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Matthew 6:5, 6:6
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.


But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen

that's about praying, not spreading the Word.

[BigPapaKain]

(07-21-2022, 03:27 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: that's about praying, not spreading the Word.

And yours was about serving others, not ramming the words of a brown Jewish socialist down their throats.

[Leon]

(07-21-2022, 03:28 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: And yours was about serving others, not ramming the words of a brown Jewish socialist down their throats.

If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.


also  Matthew in 28:18-20


“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you.”


as Christians, we are required by the Almighty to spread the word and teaching them how to obey God.

[BigPapaKain]

(07-21-2022, 03:34 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.

As in to say, don't be a false prophet.

Quote:also  Matthew in 28:18-20


“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you.”


as Christians, we are required by the Almighty to spread the word and teaching them how to obey God.

Well as a Satanist I'm here to tell you that the shit ain't appreciated by anyone and the more you push, the more push back you're gonna get.

Hail Satan! Spread his benevolence to all corners of this earth that all might be enlightened.

[Leon]

(07-21-2022, 03:37 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: As in to say, don't be a false prophet.


Well as a Satanist I'm here to tell you that the shit ain't appreciated by anyone and the more you push, the more push back you're gonna get.

Hail Satan! Spread his benevolence to all corners of this earth that all might be enlightened.

you may hate God but he loves you and wants you to know him, even when your pushing him away.

[BigPapaKain]

(07-21-2022, 03:48 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: you may hate God but he loves you and wants you to know him, even when your pushing him away.

Can't hate what doesn't exist. I'd be better served hating Bigfoot or Nessie (which I don't hate).

Also why I can't hate Indiana.

[*michaelsean*]

(07-21-2022, 03:11 PM)Tiger Blood Wrote: the Christian God is the only god there is, and he doesn't just give out free passes to the Kingdom. you have to repent of your sins and you have to accept Jesus as your lord and savior. this is clearly instruction in the Word, straight from God.

Yeah but that makes so sense.  What is God's purpose in doing this?  To weed out His mistakes?

[BigPapaKain]

(07-21-2022, 04:00 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah but that makes so sense.  What is God's purpose in doing this?  To weed out His mistakes?

Tiny pee pee energy.

[guyofthetiger]

God is real and the Bible is the truth. If you need evidence of God, it is all around you. BTW Science has not disproved anything in the Bible that I know of.

[BigPapaKain]

(07-21-2022, 04:39 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: God is real and the Bible is the truth. If you need evidence of God, it is all around you. BTW Science has not disproved anything in the Bible that I know of.

Only in the same sense that science hasn't disproven anything in Harry Potter. It also hasn't disproven the Egyptian pantheon or the Greek pantheon or the Norse pantheon.

Science tends not to chase fairy tales.