Civil Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Soliciting Sex and Intimidating Witnesses

[jfkbengals]

(09-12-2016, 01:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The fact that someone filed a lawsuit doesn't mean it suddenly has any more credibility than a claim without a lawsuit attached to it. I could sue you and allege similar crimes, it doesn't make it credible. It reads like some poor, drug addict trying to get some attention and money. She had just as many chances in the last 10 years when he hosted a popular TV show. She waits until he locks up the nomination?

That kept being said about Bill Cosby, too...

[BmorePat87]

(09-12-2016, 09:37 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: That kept being said about Bill Cosby, too...

The Cosby accusations weren't as incredible (drugged versus sex slave?) and there were numerous women.

One random person coming 20 years later when he locks up the nomination telling an incredible tale sounds made up. And I think Trump is deplorable. 

[jfkbengals]

(09-12-2016, 10:22 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The Cosby accusations weren't as incredible (drugged versus sex slave?) and there were numerous women.

One random person coming 20 years later when he locks up the nomination telling an incredible tale sounds made up. And I think Trump is deplorable. 

Which is also what was said about Cosby.

Time went by and it became 2, more time went by and it tripled, etc.

My point is, we all said "This just sounds like make believe" about Fat Albert, but we learned that it wasn't fantasy after all.

[*rfaulk34*]

Wasn't this on 60 minutes a few months ago? I don't recall if Trump was a part of it, i just remember the Epstein guy, rich dudes and private planes filled with "escorts", some underage. 

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-12-2016, 11:54 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Wasn't this on 60 minutes a few months ago? I don't recall if Trump was a part of it, i just remember the Epstein guy, rich dudes and private planes filled with "escorts", some underage. 

Yes Epstien is a known pedo.
Bill Clinton is also a frequent flier. 26 times on Epstien's flight logs, including a trip to "orgy island" back in 2002.

On the other side, Trump has been on the plane at least once. But most of their hanging out was done at one of Trumps hotels.
Digging deeper shows that Prince Andrew also has ties to Epstien.
Their is many more too, actors such as Chris Tucker.

Prince Andrew has been accused as well.

It's just sad how Epstien has so many 1% ers in his back pocket. This makes it difficult to charge him, and I am sure this is by design on his part.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-12-2016, 09:37 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: That kept being said about Bill Cosby, too...

Yes and the lesson learned there is once a pattern is established, then we might have something. 1 or 2 is not enough to establish a pattern. 

Cosby's problem was he used a drug as well. Straight up sex would've been much harder to prove that it was rape and not consensual.

[xxlt]

Disturbing that allegations are still so casually dismissed after Jimmy Savile, after Jerry Sandusky, after the Catholic Church spending $4 billion defending priests guilty of sexual abuse of children, after Cosby...

Please consider the following: 

http://www.victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics

From the above website:

Child Sexual Abuse Statistics



The prevalence of child sexual abuse is difficult to determine because it is often not reported; experts agree that the incidence is far greater than what is reported to authorities. CSA is also not uniformly defined, so statistics may vary. Statistics below represent some of the research done on child sexual abuse.



The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Children’s Bureau report Child Maltreatment 2010 found that 9.2% of victimized children were sexually assaulted (page 24).



Studies by David Finkelhor, Director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center, show that:



   1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;

   Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual abuse incident;

   During a one-year period in the U.S., 16% of youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;

   Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;

   Children are most vulnerable to CSA between the ages of 7 and 13.



According to a 2003 National Institute of Justice report, 3 out of 4 adolescents who have been sexually assaulted were victimized by someone they knew well (page 5).



A Bureau of Justice Statistics report shows 1.6 % (sixteen out of one thousand) of children between the ages of 12-17 were victims of rape/sexual assault (page 18).



A study conducted in 1986 found that 63% of women who had suffered sexual abuse by a family member also reported a rape or attempted rape after the age of 14. Recent studies in 2000, 2002, and 2005 have all concluded similar results (page 8).



Children who had an experience of rape or attempted rape in their adolescent years were 13.7 times more likely to experience rape or attempted rape in their first year of college (page 9).

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The above says "1 in five girls" is a victim of child abuse. There is a consensus among many other experts that the actual number is at least 1 in five children, with girls victimized more often. There is a line in the same summary above affirming this - stating 28% of American 14-17 years olds  reported they had been sexually victimized in their lifetimes.

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[url= https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/ncr-research-costs-sex-abuse-crisis-us-church-underestimated]https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/ncr-research-costs-sex-abuse-crisis-us-church-underestimated[/url]


The dollar figure mentioned in the opening of this post pertaining to the Catholic Church expenditures defending pedophiles comes from the above website.

Expert Richard Sipe estimated in 1976 that 6% of Roman Catholic priests had sexually assaulted a child. You can verify that here (item 14):

http://www.awrsipe.com/Articles/Knowledge%20of%20sexual%20activity.html

I believe Sipe has more recently put the number of priests guilty of sexually assaulting children at closer to 10%.

To learn more about the scope of abuse in the Catholic Church check this out:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/

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Children are reluctant to report abuse, so are adults.

But, recently this article affirmed the fact 1/5 college females reported having been sexually assaulted since enrolling in college:

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/09/21/controversial-1-in-5-sexual-assault-statistic-validated-in-new-national-survey/

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In light of the above I humbly ask people to be less casually dismissive of allegations of sexual assault. Yes, the convenient timing can make it look like a shakedown, and the notion that "you" could be falsely accused is frightening. But the fact is, children (and adults) often struggle for years to find the courage to disclose their victimization. When they do, whether the timing is best for the perpetrator is not and should not be a major concern. It is often fear and guilt that other people are going to be hurt which compels a survivor to take the difficult step of going public. The thanks they get is being dismissed as opportunists because the timing is bad for a candidate or a celebrity is being cast in a negative light. Think about how absurd it is to say, "couldn't he wait until after the movie premier?" or "couldn't she wait until after the campaign?"

Mike McQueary http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/10546874/mike-mcqueary-former-penn-state-assistant-said-was-sexual-abuse-victim-sources-say was a pariah for reporting Sandusky. Some hated him for not kicking Sandusky's ass, some hated him for "betraying" Sandusky and Joe Paterno. But it wasn't a shakedown of the college, and McQueary wasn't the bad guy. McQueary was the good guy, and still got a raft of shit from all corners. And, according the link above he is also a sexual abuse survivor. And he filed a whistle blower suit against Penn State. Didn't know about those last two developments, but they point to the complexity of such happenings.

My point in bringing up McQueary is 1. since it is an ESPN link maybe more people will look at it more than the others and then maybe go look at the others and think about this a little more 2 even witnesses who blow the whistle get dumped on - think how a victim feels and why they would be reluctant to face such scorn and 3. incidences of false allegations are very rare - in fact there are far more unreported assaults than false allegations.

Nobody wanted to believe Jo Pa and/or Penn State looked the other way, nobody wanted to believe thousands of priests raped boys and girls from coast to coast in every diocese and almost every parish, nobody wants to hear... but denial doesn't change the reality.

[GMDino]

(09-13-2016, 08:51 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Yes and the lesson learned there is once a pattern is established, then we might have something. 1 or 2 is not enough to establish a pattern. 

Cosby's problem was he used a drug as well. Straight up sex would've been much harder to prove that it was rape and not consensual.

Then Bill Clinton should not be accused of being a rapist and neither should Ben Roethlisberger.

[xxlt]

(09-13-2016, 08:51 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Yes and the lesson learned there is once a pattern is established, then we might have something. 1 or 2 is not enough to establish a pattern. 

Cosby's problem was he used a drug as well. Straight up sex would've been much harder to prove that it was rape and not consensual.

So, just to be clear, let's say you have a mother, a sister, and a wife.

Someone rapes your mother. His name is Mike N and he drives a delivery truck in your neighborhood. Your mom tells you about it. You say, "Mom, anyone could make an allegation like that against Mike N. But, you can't expect me or anyone else to believe yo were raped. I mean, there just isn't enough to establish a pattern here."

Then Mike N is accused of raping a 7 year old girl. The little girl doesn't want to talk about it, but her mother walked in on it and she is filing charges. But you don't here about that because Mike N has a good friend at the jail and a good lawyer and they keep the press away. Finally, to avoid a prolonged stressful trial for her and her daughter, the mother agrees to let the prosecutor accept a plea and Mike N is put on probation for a year. The prosecutor tells her the most he would have got at trial was probably 5 years. The family tries to move on.

Then Mike N rapes your sister. She tells mom, who recommends she not tell you because you don't want to hear such things about good old Mike N. Mom says, if your own family won't support you, you can't expect much from the system, so do what I did and just ignore this and hope the nightmares go away in time.

Then Mike N rapes your wife. She tells you. You say, "Well, my mom did say he is a rapist, and you do too, but one or two isn't enough to establish a pattern. If you can find some more women who say Mike N raped them too, I would then be willing to consider the possibility that you are both telling the truth."

Is that how you roll?

[GMDino]

(09-13-2016, 10:22 AM)xxlt Wrote: So, just to be clear, let's say you have a mother, a sister, and a wife.

Someone rapes your mother. His name is Mike N and he drives a delivery truck in your neighborhood. Your mom tells you about it. You say, "Mom, anyone could make an allegation like that against Mike N. But, you can't expect me or anyone else to believe yo were raped. I mean, there just isn't enough to establish a pattern here."

Then Mike N is accused of raping a 7 year old girl. The little girl doesn't want to talk about it, but her mother walked in on it and she is filing charges. But you don't here about that because Mike N has a good friend at the jail and a good lawyer and they keep the press away. Finally, to avoid a prolonged stressful trial for her and her daughter, the mother agrees to let the prosecutor accept a plea and Mike N is put on probation for a year. The prosecutor tells her the most he would have got at trial was probably 5 years. The family tries to move on.

Then Mike N rapes your sister. She tells mom, who recommends she not tell you because you don't want to hear such things about good old Mike N. Mom says, if your own family won't support you, you can't expect much from the system, so do what I did and just ignore this and hope the nightmares go away in time.

Then Mike N rapes your wife. She tells you. You say, "Well, my mom did say he is a rapist, and you do too, but one or two isn't enough to establish a pattern. If you can find some more women who say Mike N raped them too, I would then be willing to consider the possibility that you are both telling the truth."

Is that how you roll?

My guess is Mike would say if there was evidence that would be different.

And I would agree.

I would also agree with you that this idea that one or two isn't enough for Trump (but is for Clinton and others) is a very strange take.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-12-2016, 09:37 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: That kept being said about Bill Cosby, too...

The thing about the Cosby thing I find fascinating are that the same feminists who say we HAVE to believe the alleged victims  are, by and large, the same ones that turn around and defend Bill Clinton. 

(09-13-2016, 09:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: Then Bill Clinton should not be accused of being a rapist and neither should Ben Roethlisberger.

Ummmm, there have been more than 2 allegations against Bill.

(09-13-2016, 10:22 AM)xxlt Wrote: So, just to be clear, let's say you have a mother, a sister, and a wife.

Someone rapes your mother. His name is Mike N and he drives a delivery truck in your neighborhood. Your mom tells you about it. You say, "Mom, anyone could make an allegation like that against Mike N. But, you can't expect me or anyone else to believe yo were raped. I mean, there just isn't enough to establish a pattern here."

Then Mike N is accused of raping a 7 year old girl. The little girl doesn't want to talk about it, but her mother walked in on it and she is filing charges. But you don't here about that because Mike N has a good friend at the jail and a good lawyer and they keep the press away. Finally, to avoid a prolonged stressful trial for her and her daughter, the mother agrees to let the prosecutor accept a plea and Mike N is put on probation for a year. The prosecutor tells her the most he would have got at trial was probably 5 years. The family tries to move on.

Then Mike N rapes your sister. She tells mom, who recommends she not tell you because you don't want to hear such things about good old Mike N. Mom says, if your own family won't support you, you can't expect much from the system, so do what I did and just ignore this and hope the nightmares go away in time.

Then Mike N rapes your wife. She tells you. You say, "Well, my mom did say he is a rapist, and you do too, but one or two isn't enough to establish a pattern. If you can find some more women who say Mike N raped them too, I would then be willing to consider the possibility that you are both telling the truth."

Is that how you roll?

I know you're trying to make a point to someone in particular, but there isn't a person on these forums, I believe, that wouldn't automatically believe their mom or sister or wife if told that they had been raped, no matter by whom (well, maybe unless it was by their father/brother).

The skepticism from allegations arise usually in people not close to the victim.

[GMDino]

(09-13-2016, 12:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The thing about the Cosby thing I find fascinating are that the same feminists who say we HAVE to believe the alleged victims  are, by and large, the same ones that turn around and defend Bill Clinton. 


Ummmm, there have been more than 2 allegations against Bill.


I know you're trying to make a point to someone in particular, but there isn't a person on these forums, I believe, that wouldn't automatically believe their mom or sister or wife if told that they had been raped, no matter by whom (well, maybe unless it was by their father/brother).

The skepticism from allegations arise usually in people not close to the victim.

Quote:President Bill Clinton has been accused of sexual assault by two women, Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey. At least eight other women have accused Bill Clinton of sexually harassing them or making unwanted sexual advances toward them, with the allegations dating back to the 1970s.

*Emphasis from the search, not mine.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how%20many%20women%20accused%20bill%20clinton%20of%20rape
How many times has Trump been called a womanizer?

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-13-2016, 10:22 AM)xxlt Wrote: So, just to be clear, let's say you have a mother, a sister, and a wife.

Someone rapes your mother. His name is Mike N and he drives a delivery truck in your neighborhood. Your mom tells you about it. You say, "Mom, anyone could make an allegation like that against Mike N. But, you can't expect me or anyone else to believe yo were raped. I mean, there just isn't enough to establish a pattern here."

Then Mike N is accused of raping a 7 year old girl. The little girl doesn't want to talk about it, but her mother walked in on it and she is filing charges. But you don't here about that because Mike N has a good friend at the jail and a good lawyer and they keep the press away. Finally, to avoid a prolonged stressful trial for her and her daughter, the mother agrees to let the prosecutor accept a plea and Mike N is put on probation for a year. The prosecutor tells her the most he would have got at trial was probably 5 years. The family tries to move on.

Then Mike N rapes your sister. She tells mom, who recommends she not tell you because you don't want to hear such things about good old Mike N. Mom says, if your own family won't support you, you can't expect much from the system, so do what I did and just ignore this and hope the nightmares go away in time.

Then Mike N rapes your wife. She tells you. You say, "Well, my mom did say he is a rapist, and you do too, but one or two isn't enough to establish a pattern. If you can find some more women who say Mike N raped them too, I would then be willing to consider the possibility that you are both telling the truth."

Is that how you roll?

Report it immediately and get a rape kit submitted, that what I would tell every single one of them. Get Proof and hang him. Allegations are too hard to prove in the court of law.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-13-2016, 12:25 PM)GMDino Wrote: *Emphasis from the search, not mine.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how%20many%20women%20accused%20bill%20clinton%20of%20rape
How many times has Trump been called a womanizer?

More than 2 have alleged sexual assault against Bill:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070516192906/http:/chblue.com/Feb1999/022599/clintonwomen022599.htm

Quote:

• Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
• In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Bluelast week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
• In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
• Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
• From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
• Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
• Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
• Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
• Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
• Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
• Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutesinterview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

Doubt the veracity of the allegations all you want, but the fact remains that more than 2 women alleged Clinton sexually assaulted him.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-13-2016, 12:25 PM)GMDino Wrote: How many times has Trump been called a womanizer?

Being called a womanizer is not the same as being called a rapist.

Consent is quite important in this equation.

[GMDino]

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/

Quote:Here are all the times Donald Trump has been accused of rape or attempted rape

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Tonight, Donald Trump will officially accept the Republican nomination for President, putting him one step closer to the White House. His speech will likely allude to building walls, making deals, and keeping immigrants out—but what he probably won’t talk about are the three times he’s been accused of rape or attempted rape, by three different women.

While The Donald’s reputation as a womanizer is well known, the public doesn’t often talk about these accusations. But according to legal documents, Trump has been accused of raping a 13-year-old child, raping his ex-wife, and attempting to rape a former business associate. He vehemently denies all of these accusations—and it should be noted anyone can file a civil complaint in court, and a complaint is by no means proof of allegations.

That being said, the first and most famous accusation comes from Trump’s ex-wife Ivana Trump. During a deposition in the ’90s, Ivana described a harrowing scene in which Trump held her arms back, pulled at her hair, and raped her in a fit of rage. She herself used the word “rape.” The details of the incident were made public in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump, written by the journalist Harry Hurt III.

Trump denies this incident took place, and before the book hit shelveshis lawyers required that it include a statement at the front written by Ivana, in which she walks back her use of the word “rape.”

“During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me,” the statement said. “I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”
In her statement she added instead that she felt “violated.”

The second accusation of sexual assault comes from a 1997 lawsuit. Jill Harth says she and her romantic partner were working with Trump on a business deal, when The Donald started making unwelcome sexual advances. In a lawsuit filed against Trump, she says he leered at her inappropriately, groped her on several occasions without her consent, and even “attempted rape.”

In her lawsuit, Harth describes a scene in which Trump took her into one of his children’s bedrooms at his Florida estate Mar-a-Lago, threw her against the wall, began touching her all over, and lifted up her dress.

In a recent interview with The Guardian, Harth says she had to physically prevent him from advancing and shouted out: “What are you doing? Stop it.” Adding, “It was a shocking thing to have him do this because he knew I was with George [her partner], he knew they were in the next room. And how could he be doing this when I’m there for business?”

Trump denies any of this ever happened, calling the allegations “meritless.” While Harth withdrew her lawsuit shortly after Trumpsettled a separate lawsuit with her romantic partner over a business matter, she stands by her claims. (Harth and Trump had a cordial relationship until recently, when the allegations resurfaced and he denied them. At that point, according to The Guardian, Harth decided to speak out.) She also says Trump’s camp has contacted her on several occasions in an attempt to make her change her story and deny it ever happened. “I said I’m not doing that,” she told The Guardian.

The third case against Trump comes via a recent federal lawsuit filed in June 2016 in the State of New York by “Jane Doe.” In the suit, Doe alleges that Trump raped her back in 1994, when she was just 13 years old. According to legal docs, Doe says she attended parties with Trump and his friend Jeffrey Epstein—a registered sex offender known in the media as the “billionaire pedophile.” Doe, who was trying to become a model, says it was during these parties that Trump initiated sexual contact with her on several occasions and on one occasion allegedly raped her.

According to the suit, Trump tied her to a bed, exposed himself to her and then raped her in a “savage sexual attack.” Doe says she screamed for him to stop at which point he struck her in the face while screaming “that he would do whatever he wanted.” In a statement filed with the lawsuit, Doe says Trump threatened to ruin her life and her family’s life if she ever told anyone about the incident:

Quote:Immediately following this rape Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.

The lawsuit also includes a witness statement from a “Tiffany Doe,” who says that, in the ’90s, she was in charge of recruiting adolescent women to entertain guests at Epstein’s parties—and she personally saw the incident occur.

Quote:I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old.

In her statement, Tiffany Doe also says she witnessed Trump force other minors to perform oral sex on him and witnessed his “physical abuse” on them “when they finished the act.”

According to documents, Trump has denied the allegations, stating “These allegations are not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention or, perhaps, are simply politically motivated. There is absolutely no merit to these allegations. Period.”

[GMDino]

(09-13-2016, 12:55 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Being called a womanizer is not the same as being called a rapist.

Consent is quite important in this equation.

Then Clinton has been accused twice of "sexual assault".

[xxlt]

(09-13-2016, 12:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: The thing about the Cosby thing I find fascinating are that the same feminists who say we HAVE to believe the alleged victims  are, by and large, the same ones that turn around and defend Bill Clinton. 


Ummmm, there have been more than 2 allegations against Bill.


I know you're trying to make a point to someone in particular, but there isn't a person on these forums, I believe, that wouldn't automatically believe their mom or sister or wife if told that they had been raped, no matter by whom (well, maybe unless it was by their father/brother).

The skepticism from allegations arise usually in people not close to the victim.

So, Clinton arguably exercised some bad judgement by having repeated affairs, and in the case of Lewinski you can argue that their relationship was unequal because he was president and she was an intern and this makes him guilty of something, but almost certainly not rape. Abuse of power, manipulation, sexual harassment, but not rape. I am not aware of any allegation of rape against Clinton. Allegations of affairs and womanizing? Yes. Of rape or sexual abuse? No. There is a big difference, and people react accordingly.

Cosby drugged and raped women. If he did it once it was wrong. If no one else ever said they knew it happened and he denied it was still wrong. And it was criminally wrong. The fact that he did it again and again is not what made the first time wrong, or made the first time real. The fact he raped multiple women makes him a repeat offender guilty of the crime of rape multiple times.

So, on the point of credibility of victims, it seems like you are saying everyone believes their own family members, but nobody believes the allegations of a stranger. I don't hear you endorsing this attitude, which is encouraging, but I would like to point out a few things. One, if she isn't "your" wife/mother/sister she is wife/mother/sister to someone, and maybe more men should extend the same credibility to another's family member which they would extend to their own. Two, fathers/brothers commit rapes, including (surprisingly often) rapes of family members. Just as all female victims are someone's mother/sister/wife all male perpetrators are someone's father/brother/husband. And sexual assaults and rapes outside of and within a family are, sadly, not near as uncommon as we would wish them to be. (See my earlier post for related statistics.)

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(09-13-2016, 12:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Report it immediately and get a rape kit submitted, that what I would tell every single one of them. Get Proof and hang him. Allegations are too hard to prove in the court of law.

So your response to mom would have been, "Sorry mom, without a rape kit you can't expect me to take you seriously?"

Honestly though, if you ever get the chance to give that instruction, please hang around to see just how easy it is for a rape victim to do that.

Spoiler alert: it is very hard for an adult woman. It is infinitely harder for a child. Honestly, if you ever get a chance to witness the process, or talk to a victim about why they did not follow your simple and excellent advice, please don't pass it up. I think you might find it a valuable learning opportunity.

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(09-13-2016, 12:34 PM)PhilHos Wrote: More than 2 have alleged sexual assault against Bill:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070516192906/http:/chblue.com/Feb1999/022599/clintonwomen022599.htm


Doubt the veracity of the allegations all you want, but the fact remains that more than 2 women alleged Clinton sexually assaulted him.

Good post!

I honestly thought all the allegations against Clinton were allegations of affairs and not allegations of sexual assault. This is not because I am a blind Clinton loyalist - I actually only voted for him once and wasn't too happy doing it and was not a big fan of most of his policies although I concede he governed over 8 years of mostly peace and prosperity. I guess it is just a faulty memory - most of these stories about him were around in 1991 and I haven't heard much about any name other than Lewsinky's in the last decade. Thanks for setting me straight on the number of allegations

I heard him last night on Charlie Rose looking back on some policy things he did with regret - and it made me respect him a little more and gave me a little more hope for Hillary "cleaning up" some of his messes.