Colin Kapernick benches self for National Anthem

[*jason*]

Well... You had to know this "controversy" would produce some comic relief... Sure enough, it has. I guess Rodney Harrison said that Kaepernick should shut up. Harrison doesn't want someone of another race to speak for "his" people. He said that Kaepernick doesn't know what it's like to walk into a Foot Locker with a couple thousand dollars in his pocket (neither do I, but whatever), and have the employees look at him as if he's there to steal something.... Apparently ol' Rod didn't realize Colin is black too.... Spoiler alert Rodney.... It's OK if Jason Kidd speaks for your people too.

[*Nately120*]

Are veterans and other service types really offended and/or care about this guy or anyone not standing during the anthem? I see the "support the troops or else" branch of the PC police going crazy every time it happens, though.

[Rotobeast]

(08-30-2016, 10:47 PM)jason Wrote: Well... You had to know this "controversy" would produce some comic relief... Sure enough, it has. I guess Rodney Harrison said that Kaepernick should shut up. Harrison doesn't want someone of another race to speak for "his" people. He said that Kaepernick doesn't know what it's like to walk into a Foot Locker with a couple thousand dollars in his pocket (neither do I, but whatever), and have the employees look at him as if he's there to steal something.... Apparently ol' Rod didn't realize Colin is black too.... Spoiler alert Rodney.... It's OK if Jason Kidd speaks for your people too.

Dang.... It must be different, where Harrison is from.
I was in a Columbus (Easton Mall) FootLocker and about 8 black youths were having their run of the place.
They would demand their size in a certain style, try it on, model themselves in the mirror and to one another, take the shoe off, throw it at the service rep, and demand the next choice to try on.

Granted... this is a small moment in time, with only a small sample size, but I feel I must share the stark contrast in experiences.

More on topic.... I caught myself removing my hat, when hearing The National Anthem at the beginning of the local high school football game, on the radio, in the car, while driving.

This was Friday night, but I didn't remember, until this post.

I also remove it for funerals that pass.

I guess I'm programmed.

I refuse to walk over a grave, also.

I'm weird, maybe...

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[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(08-30-2016, 11:07 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Are veterans and other service types really offended and/or care about this guy or anyone not standing during the anthem?  I see the "support the troops or else" branch of the PC police going crazy every time it happens, though.

Yep.....they are.  Some aren't, but most are.....in particular.....a current player and former veteran.

http://sfo.247sports.com/Bolt/Steelers-military-veteran-Villanueva-addresses-Colin-Kaepernick-47032265


This makes me loathe the prick even more....forcing me to side with a damn Stooler.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(08-30-2016, 11:35 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Dang.... It must be different, where Harrison is from.
I was in a Columbus  (Easton Mall) FootLocker and about 8 black youths were having their run of the place.
They would demand their size  in a certain style, try it on, model themselves in the mirror and to one another, take the shoe off, throw it at the service rep, and demand the next choice to try on.

Granted... this is a small moment in time, with only a small sample size, but I feel I must share the stark contrast in experiences.

More on topic.... I caught myself removing my hat, when hearing The National Anthem at the beginning of the local high school football game, on the radio, in the car, while driving.

This was Friday night, but I didn't remember, until this post.

I also remove it for funerals that pass.

I guess I'm programmed.

I refuse to walk over a grave, also.

I'm weird, maybe...

Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk

It's called respecting others.....something these me first generation ***** have no concept of.

[GMDino]

(08-30-2016, 11:47 PM)Wyche Wrote: It's called respecting others.....something these me first generation ***** have no concept of.

Meh, every generation thinks the next one doesn't have as much respect as they did.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(08-31-2016, 08:38 AM)GMDino Wrote: Meh, every generation thinks the next one doesn't have as much respect as they did.

Hell, it isn't just this generation.....it goes back a couple of them.  Folks used to have civic pride, nowadays, it's all about those Benjamins and what can you do for me......been that way for several decades, it's just getting worse.

[GMDino]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/military-personnel-colin-kaepernick-veteransforkaepernick-nfl-49ers-anthem

Quote:There have been countless takes on Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand during the national anthem.
Among those takes, the notion that Kaepernick’s actions disrespected the military has been argued to great lengths despite Kaepernick himself clarifying his intentions and respect for the military.

On Twitter, military personnel tweeted photos and messages in support of Kaepernick’s protest with the hashtag #VeteransForKaepernick.

The tweets are at the link.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(08-31-2016, 09:14 AM)GMDino Wrote: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/military-personnel-colin-kaepernick-veteransforkaepernick-nfl-49ers-anthem




The tweets are at the link.

Yep, as I noted earlier, some are for, some are against.

[Rotobeast]

(08-31-2016, 08:54 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Hell, it isn't just this generation.....it goes back a couple of them.  Folks used to have civic pride, nowadays, it's all about those Benjamins and what can you do for me......been that way for several decades, it's just getting worse.

I'm just going to blame the hippies.
They started in San Fran, too.


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[xxlt]

(08-28-2016, 12:47 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: A friend of mine pointed out that many of the loudest, most belligerent, voices you hear on this issue come from people who aren't full black e.g. have one white parent. His opinion is they feel the need, conciously or not, that they have to prove their "blackness". Once he made that point I noticed how frequently this seemed to pop up.

Or maybe just a little taste of what it is like to be full black leaves a really bad taste in the mouths of those "partials."

As Chris Rock said, "Not a one of you white people in here would trade places with me! AND I"M RICH!!"

[*PhilHos*]

(08-30-2016, 11:35 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Dang.... It must be different, where Harrison is from.
I was in a Columbus  (Easton Mall) FootLocker and about 8 black youths were having their run of the place.
They would demand their size  in a certain style, try it on, model themselves in the mirror and to one another, take the shoe off, throw it at the service rep, and demand the next choice to try on.

I actually think a lot of people who think this ("Oh, they're looking at me like I'm about to steal something") are using their own perceptions and biases and misreading what's actually happening.

My wife does this a lot (she's white, BTW). She'll constantly tell me that so and so is looking at her like she's ugly or that she's dressed weird or that she's about to do something bad or what have you. A couple of times I've actually seen the person looking land I don't see the same look AT ALL. 

And another thing, when I first worked at a Super K-Mart, we were told that we were to constantly watch everyone in our department or area. Even if they told us they didn't need our help. Partially, yes, to keep them from stealing anything, but mostly to be there if and when they clearly needed assistance. 

I'm not saying that there aren't times where blacks may be correct in that they're being racially profiled and whatnot, but given my experiences with my wife and at Super K-Mart, I can't help but wonder if a large portion of people making that claim are completely misreading a situation and/or being biased themselves.

[PacMan Fever]

I'll just leave this here http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/31/boomer-esiason-would-like-colin-kaepernick-to-get-off-his-lawn/

[*bfine32*]

(08-30-2016, 11:07 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Are veterans and other service types really offended and/or care about this guy or anyone not standing during the anthem? I see the "support the troops or else" branch of the PC police going crazy every time it happens, though.

Personally I think both sides are taking it to extremes. Some are trying to paint what CK did as a good thing and if you disagree with what he did you are "unAmerican". Others consider what he did "unAmerican".

I am not offended by CK's actions as I let no other person's action define my worth. I do find it disrespectful to the men that have created a Nation in which he is allowed to flourish.

EDIT: I will say he failed in what he was trying to do. Nobody is talking about why he didn't stand only the fact that he did not.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-31-2016, 11:23 AM)xxlt Wrote: Or maybe just a little taste of what it is like to be full black leaves a really bad taste in the mouths of those "partials."

As Chris Rock said, "Not a one of you white people in here would trade places with me! AND I"M RICH!!"

Possibly, I wouldn't know personally.  I would point out that the guy making this point, and a large percentage of the group discussing it who agreed, were black guys.  

[CJD]

Congratulations to Boomer on sounding like the most obliviously white privileged guy in America.

I'm glad they called him "former Jets QB" and didn't directly affiliate him to the Bengals in this article.

[Bmoreblitz]

(08-31-2016, 11:37 AM)PhilHos Wrote: I actually think a lot of people who think this ("Oh, they're looking at me like I'm about to steal something") are using their own perceptions and biases and misreading what's actually happening.

My wife does this a lot (she's white, BTW). She'll constantly tell me that so and so is looking at her like she's ugly or that she's dressed weird or that she's about to do something bad or what have you. A couple of times I've actually seen the person looking land I don't see the same look AT ALL. 

And another thing, when I first worked at a Super K-Mart, we were told that we were to constantly watch everyone in our department or area. Even if they told us they didn't need our help. Partially, yes, to keep them from stealing anything, but mostly to be there if and when they clearly needed assistance. 

I'm not saying that there aren't times where blacks may be correct in that they're being racially profiled and whatnot, but given my experiences with my wife and at Super K-Mart, I can't help but wonder if a large portion of people making that claim are completely misreading a situation and/or being biased themselves.

 While being stationed at Rock Island I remember going to a footlocker in a mall in Iowa.  Looked around and was confused as to the unusually small selection of shoes and brands. I asked a sales associate about a few popular shoes and they said.." We don't sell those here because it attracts THE WRONG CROWD". My mouth dropped and I never went back to that mall again.

[Bmoreblitz]

(08-31-2016, 12:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Possibly, I wouldn't know personally.  I would point out that the guy making this point, and a large percentage of the group discussing it who agreed, were black guys.  

Most in the black community don't even look at bi racial individuals as being half or biracial. They look at them and consider them black. There are many you wouldn't even know they were mixed.

[Wes Mantooth]

You know, I'm going to try to be somewhat short, as I'm known to ramble. And I'm aware that much of what I'm about to say belongs moreso on Kotsch than JN. I'm not sure anyone really cares what I think, and it's far from a hot take or terrible unique, but I'm going to share it anyway:

Colin Kaepernick is a moron. The first question I have is questioning the timing of his display vs the convenience of it. Meaning, would he be making the same display if he was still starting, if he was a star/focal point? Would he making the same display if he were in the middle of contract negotiations? Just how sincere is he motivation?

And let's for a second believe that it's 100% sincere. He has no other motivation that what he truly believes. Guess what? What he believes to be a worthy cause is stupid. Yup, just plain stupid. Go ahead, bring out that bleading heart blowhard Fred or anyone else that wants to defend this ridiculous cause. Plain and simple, I find people who support BLM and the ideas behind it to be misinformed, people more concerned with inserting themselves into a movement than the movement itself, or outright liars.

This country has close to 400 million people in it. Almost 1 million police officers. Millions upon millions of criminals. By sheer numbers alone that provides one heckuva an opportunity to frame an argument or paint a narrative. Surely, if so much police misconduct exits you can find youself a slew of instances and martyrs to hold up to make your point. So what do we have?

The first guy that kind of set this whole thing off was Michael Brown. A piece of shit who robbed a store, strong-armed a clerk, and then was so worried about being caught that he proceeded to WALK DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. Ignored police commands, ended up resisting arrest, fighting with the cop, going for his weapon. Hands up don't shoot? Oh, no witnesses made that up, even admitted it to it later. All of the testing, reports and autopsy bank this up. Doesn't matter though, this piece of shit is still head up as a martyr and that saying (Hands up..) still exists regardless if it even happened or not.

You got Freddy Gray in Baltimore, a guy who had been arrested dozens of times who died in the back of a squad car. He wasn't shot. And 3 of the 5 officers were minorities. The police vehicle, and the officer responsible for transporting him were both minorities. So we've got another know piece of shit, who wasn't purposely killed, and who white officers had nothing to do with other than the initial arrest. Meh, here's another example of police gunning down innocent black men. Forget that he wasn't exactly innocent or gunned down. He also had back surgery recently but I'm sure that had nothing to do with his situation.

You got some other fat ***** piece of shit who had a heart attack while resisting arrest. Again, known criminal. Perhaps his death has more to do with a.) Breaking the law. b.) being a fat ***** slob and c.) resisting arrest than it does with the police just out and out targeting and killing blacks.

You got a woman who hung herself who for some reason has been inserted into this conversation. And, by the way, let me tell you, you looked real scared of the police in that video. A lot of these idiots definitely look fearful of the police. That's why they're yelling, combative, and so uncopperative right from the get go. Those are definitely actions of someone who is fearful of their life. That's what you do when you're scared, don't cooperate, immediately escalate the situation and do nothing the officer says. So I'm not sure what the story is here. It seems she gave them more than enough reason to arrest her, she made a simple traffic stop a huge ordeal, and then killed herself. Boo...*****...hoo.

This last guy in Milwaukee. Wtf? Another criminal. Pointed his gun at a cop. A black cop. Was justly fired upon. What the hell is the problem here? What should have the cop done? What does this have to do with trying to legitimize a cause. Not only should this piece of shit been shot, good ***** riddance.

400 million people and these are some of the best you got? You can't come up with better examples than these? The worst example I've seen is Ray Tensing and that guy was almost immediately charged with murder.

The whole thing is a joke. The media has continued to fan the flames and advance this story. People too stupid to actually look at the facts, and too eager to adopt a cause, have rallied behind an organization that only makes their cause look worse. The interruptions at rallies, the blocking of traffic, none of it helps your cause.

The fact there are some bad police. You take 900,000 people doing anything and you're going to find a wind array of individuals. Good, bad and everything in between. The way this entire situation has been portrayed is completely overblown and has only made things worse.

I could keep going and going, and I'm not even sure I made any point other than that I absolutely hate where everything is headed. It's division created by a lot of misinformation and outright lies, only perpetuated by idiots like Colin Kaepernick. Go ahead and hold up Mike Brown as a martyr. Pretend like crime isn't a huge issue in the black community, where it's glorified in pop culture. Continue doing things like disrespecting police officers and only making an alright tense situation even worse and calling for outright violence again those who are there to protect.

And now, on top of that, shit all over the flag and the military. And do it at a football game no less. Because that's what we all want out of our sports, politic statements. You get paid millions of dollars to play a game. No one wants to hear your opinion on some already beaten to death, bullshit cause. You sir, are a ***** clown. I want to hear Colin Kaerpnick's thoughts on race relations like I wanted to hear Ja Rules thoughts on 911.

[BengalChris]

(08-31-2016, 12:46 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: You know, I'm going to try to be somewhat short, as I'm known to ramble.  And I'm aware that much of what I'm about to say belongs moreso on Kotsch than JN.  I'm not sure anyone really cares what I think, and it's far from a hot take or terrible unique, but I'm going to share it anyway:

Colin Kaepernick is a moron. The first question I have is questioning the timing of his display vs the convenience of it.  Meaning, would he be making the same display if he was still starting, if he was a star/focal point?  Would he making the same display if he were in the middle of contract negotiations?  Just how sincere is he motivation?

And let's for a second believe that it's 100% sincere.  He has no other motivation that what he truly believes.  Guess what?  What he believes to be a worthy cause is stupid.  Yup, just plain stupid.  Go ahead, bring out that bleading heart blowhard Fred or anyone else that wants to defend this ridiculous cause.  Plain and simple, I find people who support BLM and the ideas behind it to be misinformed, people more concerned with inserting themselves into a movement than the movement itself, or outright liars.

This country has close to 400 million people in it.  Almost 1 million police officers.  Millions upon millions of criminals.  By sheer numbers alone that provides one heckuva an opportunity to frame an argument or paint a narrative.  Surely, if so much police misconduct exits you can find youself a slew of instances and martyrs to hold up to make your point.  So what do we have?

The first guy that kind of set this whole thing off was Michael Brown.  A piece of shit who robbed a store, strong-armed a clerk, and then was so worried about being caught that he proceeded to WALK DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.  Ignored police commands, ended up resisting arrest, fighting with the cop, going for his weapon.  Hands up don't shoot?  Oh, no witnesses made that up, even admitted it to it later.  All of the testing, reports and autopsy bank this up.  Doesn't matter though, this piece of shit is still head up as a martyr and that saying (Hands up..) still exists regardless if it even happened or not.

You got Freddy Gray in Baltimore, a guy who had been arrested dozens of times who died in the back of a squad car.  He wasn't shot.  And 3 of the 5 officers were minorities.  The police vehicle, and the officer responsible for transporting him were both minorities.  So we've got another know piece of shit, who wasn't purposely killed, and who white officers had nothing to do with other than the initial arrest.  Meh, here's another example of police gunning down innocent black men.  Forget that he wasn't exactly innocent or gunned down.  He also had back surgery recently but I'm sure that had nothing to do with his situation.  

You got some other fat ***** piece of shit who had a heart attack while resisting arrest.  Again, known criminal.  Perhaps his death has more to do with a.) Breaking the law. b.) being a fat ***** slob and c.) resisting arrest than it does with the police just out and out targeting and killing blacks.

You got a woman who hung herself who for some reason has been inserted into this conversation.  And, by the way, let me tell you, you looked real scared of the police in that video.  A lot of these idiots definitely look fearful of the police.  That's why they're yelling, combative, and so uncopperative right from the get go.  Those are definitely actions of someone who is fearful of their life.  That's what you do when you're scared, don't cooperate, immediately escalate the situation and do nothing the officer says.  So I'm not sure what the story is here.  It seems she gave them more than enough reason to arrest her, she made a simple traffic stop a huge ordeal, and then killed herself.  Boo...*****...hoo.

This last guy in Milwaukee.  Wtf?  Another criminal.  Pointed his gun at a cop.  A black cop.  Was justly fired upon.  What the hell is the problem here?  What should have the cop done?  What does this have to do with trying to legitimize a cause.  Not only should this piece of shit been shot, good ***** riddance.

400 million people and these are some of the best you got?  You can't come up with better examples than these?  The worst example I've seen is Ray Tensing and that guy was almost immediately charged with murder.  

The whole thing is a joke.  The media has continued to fan the flames and advance this story.  People too stupid to actually look at the facts, and too eager to adopt a cause, have rallied behind an organization that only makes their cause look worse.  The interruptions at rallies, the blocking of traffic, none of it helps your cause.  

The fact there are some bad police.  You take 900,000 people doing anything and you're going to find a wind array of individuals.  Good, bad and everything in between.  The way this entire situation has been portrayed is completely overblown and has only made things worse.  

I could keep going and going, and I'm not even sure I made any point other than that I absolutely hate where everything is headed.  It's division created by a lot of misinformation and outright lies, only perpetuated by idiots like Colin Kaepernick.  Go ahead and hold up Mike Brown as a martyr.  Pretend like crime isn't a huge issue in the black community, where it's glorified in pop culture.  Continue doing things like disrespecting police officers and only making an alright tense situation even worse and calling for outright violence again those who are there to protect.

And now, on top of that, shit all over the flag and the military.  And do it at a football game no less.  Because that's what we all want out of our sports, politic statements.  You get paid millions of dollars to play a game.  No one wants to hear your opinion on some already beaten to death, bullshit cause.  You sir, are a ***** clown.  I want to hear Colin Kaerpnick's thoughts on race relations like I wanted to hear Ja Rules thoughts on 911.  

LOL my thoughts exactly! Only you said it better than I was thinking it.