Conscription = Slavery ?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-07-2016, 05:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Jesus never had people flying planes through skyscrapers, strapping bombs to their chests and walking into a crowded market, going into a nightclub and gunning down anyone they see, driving trucks through crowds, etc.

Yet, the Catholic Church still won't admit burning Bruno Giordano at the stake was wrong because the Church doesn't make mistakes. Was it Christians or Muslims who displaced the indigenous population of North and South America and forced many to convert to Christianity or die?

Regardless of which religion is responsible for more deaths and suffering, does anything you listed change Jesus' teachings?  No. No, they don't. 

[Belsnickel]

(12-06-2016, 09:25 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The biggest reason they are unhappy is because Trump has promised to reduce the number of H1-B's. They are the biggest beneficiary to that program, they make up 2/3rds of all immigrant workers here in the US.

Yeah, that is a concern for them. There is also his positive commentary about the Pakistani leadership, and of course the China thing.

[fredtoast]

(12-07-2016, 05:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Jesus never had people flying planes through skyscrapers, strapping bombs to their chests and walking into a crowded market, going into a nightclub and gunning down anyone they see, driving trucks through crowds, etc.

But he has had them murder abortion providers, and I seem to remember quite a few Christians blowing each other up in Northern Ireland not so long ago.

Also please point out where Jesus said "It is okay to screw over the innocent people who need help if some other bad guys did some bad stuff to you."

[Dill]

(12-07-2016, 05:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Jesus never had people flying planes through skyscrapers, strapping bombs to their chests and walking into a crowded market, going into a nightclub and gunning down anyone they see, driving trucks through crowds, etc.

Well he did have Herod, who killed all the little boys under two years old when he heard a "king" had been born.

And then there was that Roman occupation.

[Dill]

(12-08-2016, 11:35 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Also please point out where Jesus said "It is okay to screw over the innocent people who need help if some other bad guys did some bad stuff to you."

Fred, I don't know if Jesus actually said that, but I am pretty sure the Apostle Paul covered the subject in his second Letter to the Republicans, which was all about getting priorities straight.

It is right after the parable about the rich man who divorced his wives when they got old and married younger women, while the poor man had to stay married to the same woman long after her body went to pot. Jesus supposedly called that a "waste" and compared Mary Magdalene's comely face and figure to those of the high priests' wives, whom he reportedly called "flat-chested dogs" and their husbands "losers." 

Then Paul went on to talk about "wealth creation"; I believe it is there that Paul explicitly says that if you constantly run around worrying about "innocent people" you will never get yours. Then he tells the parable of the rich man who poisoned a village well to get back at another rich man who had cheated him. Not only did he kill his enemy, but half the village died as well and he was able to buy their houses and land at half price,  then flip them a year later at market value. In the words of Paul--"that was huge."  As I interpret it, Paul isn't saying it's ok to harm innocent people--just that you have to get your enemies and let the chips fall where they may. Even then something good may come.   

Jesus was pretty clear that he did not want "losers" for followers. The word is repeated 733 times in the four gospels, applied to women, the poor, and tax collectors. Then there was his Sermon on the Bank, which started out "let the small investors come unto me" and he was able to convert 10,000 small investments of fish and bread into a down payment for a casino; he paid himself a huge managers fee and then filed a business bankruptcy. Then there was the school of prophecy he started that was crushed by big Roman Government and their phoney fraud regulations. I don't have to remind you what happened when Jesus went before that liberal judge Pilate whose Roman background should have disqualified him. The whole of the New Testament basically lays the foundation for a society in which there are opportunities for wealth creation without government interference, and no stifling of entrepreneurship by fraud regulations and taxing the winners to pay society's losers.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-08-2016, 05:26 PM)Dill Wrote: Well he did have Herod, who killed all the little boys under two years old when he heard a "king" had been born.

And then there was that Roman occupation.

And the Tenth plague of Egypt resulting in the death of all first born. Oh, and The Great Flood. Everybody intentionally drowned except for Noah's family. Now consider the God of Abraham is the god of Christians, Jews, and Muslims and the Christian doctrine of the Trinity (God/Jesus/Holy Spirit are the same, but different). Therefore, God killed all those people, God=Jesus & Jesus equals God, thus Jesus killed all those people.  But, let's not forget Moses was a Jew and Exodus is a book in the Old Testament which Christians conveniently distance themselves from because new and old covenants. 

Just so I can keep score at home, which religion do I credit for the deaths caused by the god of Abraham? 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-08-2016, 07:04 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't know if Jesus actually said that, but I am pretty sure the Apostle Paul covered the subject in his second Letter to the Republicans, which was all about getting priorities straight.

It is right after the parable about the rich man who divorced his wives when they got old and married younger women, while the poor man had to stay married to the same woman long after her body went to pot. Jesus supposedly called that a "waste" and compared Mary Magdalene's comely face and figure to those of the high priests' wives, whom he reportedly called "flat-chested dogs" and their husbands "losers." 

Then Paul went on to talk about "wealth creation"; I believe it is there that Paul explicitly says that if you constantly run around worrying about "innocent people" you will never get yours.   That is where he tells the parable of the rich man who poisoned a village well to get back at another rich man who had cheated him. Not only did he kill his enemy, but half the village died as well and he was able to buy their houses and land at half price,  then flip them a year later at market value. In the words of Paul--"that was huge."  As I interpret it, Paul isn't saying it's ok to harm innocent people--just that you have to get your enemies any way can and let the chips fall where they may. Even then something good may come.   

I believe there was another parable after that about creating a real estate with bank loans and investors money, paying yourself with that money, then declaring business bankruptcy. Again the point was that if you go worrying about all the innocent people who got stiffed by the investment, you'll end up like that poor guy stuck with the same old aging wife.

I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read this, otherwise it might have shot out my nose while laughing. 

[*bfine32*]

(12-08-2016, 05:26 PM)Dill Wrote: Well he did have Herod, who killed all the little boys under two years old when he heard a "king" had been born.

And then there was that Roman occupation.

What does this have to do with the teachings of Jesus?

[Mike M (the other one)]

I'm out of this conversation.
Once you get onto Religion Bashing, nothing good comes of it.

Also we've gotten way off topic

[Dill]

(12-08-2016, 08:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What does this have to do with the teachings of Jesus?

That has to do with Leonard's comment about what Jesus didn't have to contend with--planes flying into skyscapers, ec.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-08-2016, 09:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I'm out of this conversation.
Once you get onto Religion Bashing, nothing good comes of it.

Also we've gotten way off topic

Writes the guy who is in favor of banning burqas to protect the wearer from stares which is a form of rudeness. 

[Dill]

(12-08-2016, 09:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I'm out of this conversation.
Once you get onto Religion Bashing, nothing good comes of it.

Also we've gotten way off topic

I see someone bashing a political party. Who was bashing religion?

[fredtoast]

(12-08-2016, 10:12 PM)Dill Wrote: I see someone bashing a political party. Who was bashing religion?

I am beating myself.




Up.

[GMDino]

(12-07-2016, 05:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Jesus never had people flying planes through skyscrapers, strapping bombs to their chests and walking into a crowded market, going into a nightclub and gunning down anyone they see, driving trucks through crowds, etc.

I don't remember an addendum saying that His teaching wouldn't matter if things got worse.  

[Bengalzona]

(12-08-2016, 09:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Also we've gotten way off topic

That pretty much sums it up. Seeing as I haven't seen a post in here on conscription or slavery in several days, I think it is time to close this thread out. 

I did laugh at Dill's post though.