DeSantis out-Endorses Trump

[*pally*]

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1749159384112845285

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”<br><br>- Winston Churchill <a href="https://t.co/ECoR8YeiMm">pic.twitter.com/ECoR8YeiMm</a></p>&mdash; Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) <a href="https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1749159384112845285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2024</a></blockquote>

[Dill]

(01-21-2024, 05:10 PM)pally Wrote: https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1749159384112845285

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”<br><br>- Winston Churchill <a href="https://t.co/ECoR8YeiMm">pic.twitter.com/ECoR8YeiMm</a></p>&mdash; Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) <a href="https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1749159384112845285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2024</a></blockquote>

Wonder if some of his support will shift to Haley.

I'm thinking people stuck with DeSantis for so long because they don't want Trump.

They may prefer Haley's "corporatism" to Trump's erratic and lawless behavior.

[*Nately120*]

DeSantis has been endorsing Trump the whole time.  The GOP is frozen at the moment where all of their candidates who even hope to have a future have to admit that Trump is the only choice.  Then if/when Trump dies without being able to establish his family as the royal family of the USA and/or if his followers don't insist a Trump AI bot become the president for life or something, they can say "I never turned on Trump, so now you can vote for me!"

The founding fathers probably didn't specify that a computer with an AI Trump program on it can't be the president for life.

[NATI BENGALS]

Why are all these GOP leaders endorsing a traitor who tried to end democracy in the USA who was also friends with and in Epstein’s orbit for over a decade? Same guy who stole top secret documents hid them and lied about it? Same guy who bankrupted casinos and multiple other businesses? Same guy who brought the country to the brink under his pandemic leadership failures?

Why man? wtf

[GMDino]

Color me stunned that his Florida Man routine didn't carry over.  I mean he also had no personality or ability to connect with the voters so how could this have happened? 

All seriousness aside it was going to be P01135809 all along.  Nothing has changed since 2020.  The gop has no platform and no guts and they are beholden to the MAGA crowd, despite those (here and in the real world) who said P01135809 was done after losing.

[GMDino]

And another thing.  Is this man ever wrong?!?! 

[*Nately120*]

So does DeSantis have a shot for 2028 or is it sort of a lost cause?  If Trump loses in 2024 he's going to run in 2028 and/or threaten to run 3rd party if the GOP doesn't nominate him, and if Trump wins in 2024 I can only imagine the GOP is basically going to ask Donald Trump to appoint their next candidate for them and/or Trump will have 4 years to come up with a way to either not leave office or hand things over to one of his kids etc.


I can't imagine a world where Trump wins 2 terms and the GOP doesn't want or have to simply allow him to hand pick his successor.  Who is Trump even going to like 4 years from now?  Stay tuned.

[*pally*]

DeSantis will never be President or even a nominee unless he undergoes some sort of radical personality transplant. He will run again though because he doesn’t have a lot of political options left. He is term limited so when his term as governor is up he can’t run for that office again. He could challenge Marco Rubio for the Senate in 2028. I can’t see him going back to the House.

Trump will scream rigged election when he loses in November. He will announce his 2028 candidacy on Inauguration Day 2025

[CKwi88]

Guy might have had a worse trajectory than the 2023 Philadelphia Eagles.

Ever since Trump refused to go away quietly (to the surprise of, well, almost nobody) it was always going to stay Trump's party. At this point it's Trump's party until he's dead, win or lose in 2024 and beyond.

At this point the only mystery left on the Republican side of things is how much of the 50%ish of Republican voters reject Trump vs. how many people act like GOP leadership and capitulate.

[CJD]

DeSantis is proof that Trump's nonsense will probably not work once Trump is out of political contention (whether that be via winning his second term in 2024, being in jail, him dying/physically incapable of running for office or the Republican party finally abandoning him [it's not going to be the fourth one]).

DeSantis was Trump without the charisma, and people were not fans of him.

[CKwi88]

(01-22-2024, 12:38 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: DeSantis is proof that Trump's nonsense will probably not work once Trump is out of political contention (whether that be via winning his second term in 2024, being in jail, him dying/physically incapable of running for office or the Republican party finally abandoning him [it's not going to be the fourth one]).

DeSantis was Trump without the charisma, and people were not fans of him.

You act as if Trump winning in 2024 means he will be out of political contention afterwards.  

[XenoMorph]

(01-22-2024, 02:45 AM)pally Wrote: DeSantis will never be President or even a nominee unless he undergoes some sort of radical personality transplant. He will run again though because he doesn’t have a lot of political options left. He is term limited so when his term as governor is up he can’t run for that office again.  He could challenge Marco Rubio for the Senate in 2028.  I can’t see him going back to the House.  

Trump will scream rigged election when he loses in November.  He will announce his 2028 candidacy on Inauguration Day 2025

based on all the news about elections and weird things happening (votes getting flipped not counted etc all over the nation he probly is right.)

[CJD]

(01-22-2024, 12:54 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: You act as if Trump winning in 2024 means he will be out of political contention afterwards.  

I mean, unless the Republicans find a way to destroy the 22nd amendment, he would not be able to run for a 3rd term. Unless he wanted to become a senator or something afterwards, which has only happened twice in US history, if you believe Wikipedia (Andrew Johnson joined the Senate after his presidency and John Quincy Adams joined the House after his presidency). 

Of course, maybe Trump will choose to become the third.

[CKwi88]

(01-22-2024, 02:12 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I mean, unless the Republicans find a way to destroy the 22nd amendment, he would not be able to run for a 3rd term. Unless he wanted to become a senator or something afterwards, which has only happened twice in US history, if you believe Wikipedia (Andrew Johnson joined the Senate after his presidency and John Quincy Adams joined the House after his presidency). 

Of course, maybe Trump will choose to become the third.

Trump has clearly and publicly made allusions to staying in office past two terms. Stated that his supporters would demand it. Trump is a professional bullsh*tter, true, but we've already seen what his words to his followers can do (in this thread even with the baloney about flipped/uncounted votes). He's lost the benefit of the doubt that I feel many people afforded him before his first term. Add to that the outright damage that he could/would do to our institutions during a second term, all bets are off for post 2028. 

[CJD]

(01-22-2024, 02:30 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Trump has clearly and publicly made allusions to staying in office past two terms. Stated that his supporters would demand it. Trump is a professional bullsh*tter, true, but we've already seen what his words to his followers can do (in this thread even with the baloney about flipped/uncounted votes). He's lost the benefit of the doubt that I feel many people afforded him before his first term. Add to that the outright damage that he could/would do to our institutions during a second term, all bets are off for post 2028. 

Most of the things that Trump does that you and I consider unconstitutional have stemmed from ill defined laws and subjective interpretations of the constitution that political biases could shade one way or another (The classic "he said 'peacefully' march to the Capitol!") 

The 22nd amendment is written in black and white and it's basically impossible for Trump to spin it any other way to try and get a 3rd term.

You may be right and there may be some bullshit he tries and maybe his supporters would be stupid enough to believe him, but at a certain point, we need to believe that the American government and its governing documents are strong enough that a con artist being an obvious con artist won't make them crumble.

Because, if they can crumble that easily, then they never actually existed in the first place.

[Belsnickel]

(01-22-2024, 02:12 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I mean, unless the Republicans find a way to destroy the 22nd amendment, he would not be able to run for a 3rd term. Unless he wanted to become a senator or something afterwards, which has only happened twice in US history, if you believe Wikipedia (Andrew Johnson joined the Senate after his presidency and John Quincy Adams joined the House after his presidency). 

Of course, maybe Trump will choose to become the third.

Many of the autocrats in history have done things to alter the laws of their lands and allow them to remain in power. Putin and Xi are two contemporary examples. Where there is a will, there is a way. When a party shows a disdain for democratic principles I have a hard time putting anything past them.

[CJD]

(01-22-2024, 02:42 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Many of the autocrats in history have done things to alter the laws of their lands and allow them to remain in power. Putin and Xi are two contemporary examples. Where there is a will, there is a way. When a party shows a disdain for democratic principles I have a hard time putting anything past them.

I'm not familiar with Russia and China's institutions. Maybe there is a way for Trump to somehow circumvent the constitution and the 22nd amendment.

I hope America isn't that stupid though.

[CKwi88]

(01-22-2024, 02:52 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I'm not familiar with Russia and China's institutions. Maybe there is a way for Trump to somehow circumvent the constitution and the 22nd amendment.

I hope America isn't that stupid though.

Have you been paying attention since 2016?

[Belsnickel]

(01-22-2024, 02:52 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I'm not familiar with Russia and China's institutions. Maybe there is a way for Trump to somehow circumvent the constitution and the 22nd amendment.

I hope America isn't that stupid though.

Democracy takes work to hold on to. There is a reason Ben Franklin's quote resonates throughout history: "A republic, if you can keep it." All nations rise and fall. Governments ebb and flow. We don't think about it in this country but we are not only the first constitutional democracy in the world, but no others have lasted. It takes work to maintain a government system like we have because there are constant threats. This isn't the first time this sort of threat has occurred--the similarities between this and the efforts of authoritarians in the WWII era is remarkable--but the problem with now is that the country is fractured more deeply than it was at that time.

Some people just don't value the ideals of the enlightenment era that our framers built this nation upon. It isn't necessarily stupidity, it's just a difference in values.

[Dill]

(01-22-2024, 04:15 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Some people just don't value the ideals of the enlightenment era that our framers built this nation upon. It isn't necessarily stupidity, it's just a difference in values.

Democracy requires a critical mass of educated citizenry in order to work.

By "educated" I mean that they have to know not only the technical details of how their government works (e.g. how many branches are there, who gets to declare war, etc.), but also the historical precedents and problems from which their government institutions emerged as "solutions."

Absent the latter, democracy is eventually going to seem irksome from more and more people who don't like how elections turn out. People have known how and why democracy breaks down and what is needed to maintain it for 2,400 years; but it only takes one generation to forget.