Quote:As my colleague Josh Voorhees described last month, Trump was apparently referring to news reports that Clinton had used a software tool called BleachBit—which deletes emails through a process that does not involve pouring chemicals on emails or an email server, but is a computer program—to delete the emails that her team considered private and that were stored on the same server as her state department work emails. As Laura Wagner also noted in Slate, Bleachbit is a free, open-source software program and thus using it is not a very expensive or complicated process (and also not very effective for somebody trying to permanently destroy evidence of crimes). Acid washing—a process for making jeans look cool if you are on an episode of Miami Vice—appears to be Trump’s shorthand for either bleaching or using BleachBit.
The second question is a bit more difficult to answer. The site Motherboardseems to think Trump was using a metaphor:
Quote:But the simplest answer is that Donald Trump was using a lexicon familiar to him to describe an unfamiliar process. A hotel owner understands the cleaning power of bleach. A Man in his 70s knows exactly what acid washing does to fabric and probably assumes it has the same effect on data. The fact that acid wash is again relevant in 2016 should be a separate and perhaps more alarming cause for concern.
After he repeatedly talked about “bleaching” or “acid washing” emails on the campaign trail, Factcheck.org reached out to his campaign to find out what he might have meant. “His campaign told us Trump didn’t literally mean that Clinton ‘acid washed’ her emails,” the site reported in a story on Sept. 8. “It said that he was using a play on words, referring to Clinton’s joke a year ago about ‘wiping’ her server with a cloth.”
Factcheck’s writers were skeptical, though, noting: “Sorry, we don’t get the play on words, which was not clear in any of Trump’s remarks.”
At least on one occasion, though, Trump definitely literally meant that she had used chemicals to destroy her emails. How do we know? Because he said so.
In an August speech in Everett, Washington, Trump said this:
Quote:Thirty three thousand emails that she deleted. They’re gone. And not only deleted folks, she bleached—which somebody said they had never even heard of—in a very expensive fashion, used chemical so nobody will ever be able to see ‘em. Who does this?
Yes. “Used chemical so nobody will ever be able to see ‘em.” Here’s the video of him saying these things:
On Monday, to chants of “lock her up,” Trump repeated his claim about bleaching and seemed to again be describing a literal process of chemical bleach.
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(07-18-2017, 09:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: I think the media was trying their absolute best to find a time that Trump told the truth/was accurate while campaigning.
Sadly that meant they had to keep correcting him.
He said acid wash instead of bleach, and may have actually thought someone used chemicals. That's important? Wasn't that like 8 months ago?
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
NBC corrects Trump by drawing attention to the fact Hilary not only deleted emails, but tried to permanently destroy them so no amount of computer forensics could pull them back up. 3D chess. All this tweet accomplished was further spreading Trump message about Hillary's emails.
(07-18-2017, 09:58 AM)6andcounting Wrote: NBC corrects Trump by drawing attention to the fact Hilary not only deleted emails, but tried to permanently destroy them so no amount of computer forensics could pull them back up. 3D chess. All this tweet accomplished was further spreading Trump message about Hillary's emails.
Sure. But only because of the low educated voters that don't bother to read beyond the headlines. In the end Trump was wrong...voters just don't care because he says he's smart.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
PS: With this thread, next time someone brings up Hillary Clinton or Hillary's Emails, you just lost all rights on telling them to stop living in the past, or stop bringing up the past.
(07-18-2017, 10:01 AM)GMDino Wrote: Sure. But only because of the low educated voters that don't bother to read beyond the headlines. In the end Trump was wrong...voters just don't care because he says he's smart.
Trump was wrong about something that didn't matter.. Whether it's called bleachbit or acid wash, it doesn't really matter. Thanks for setting the record straight NBC. On the other hand, NBC tweeted about Hillary's corrupt scandals less than a month before the election which only served to reinforce Trump own campaign and debate attacks.
(07-18-2017, 10:06 AM)6andcounting Wrote: Trump was wrong about something that didn't matter.. Whether it's called bleachbit or acid wash, it doesn't really matter. Thanks for setting the record straight NBC. On the other hand, NBC tweeted about Hillary's corrupt scandals less than a month before the election which only served to reinforce Trump own campaign and debate attacks.
Trump had no idea/didn't understand anything that happened. He just proved that if you dumb it down enough people will believe it.
I agree that NBC's attempt to correct an obvious mistake only helped him. I just say it's because the low educated voters didn't know any better. And they believe that if the "lamestream media" says it it must be "fake news" trying to make Trump look bad.
I will never disagree that the coverage of Trump helped Trump.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
PS: With this thread, next time someone brings up Hillary Clinton or Hillary's Emails, you just lost all rights on telling them to stop living in the past, or stop bringing up the past.
From the same link:
Quote:After he repeatedly talked about “bleaching” or “acid washing” emails on the campaign trail, Factcheck.org reached out to his campaign to find out what he might have meant. “His campaign told us Trump didn’t literally mean that Clinton ‘acid washed’ her emails,” the site reported in a story on Sept. 8. “It said that he was using a play on words, referring to Clinton’s joke a year ago about ‘wiping’ her server with a cloth.”
Anyway this wasn't just about "her emails" it was about correcting another Trump falsehood/misunderstanding that didn't matter to his supporters but was true nonetheless.
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(07-18-2017, 10:16 AM)GMDino Wrote: Trump had no idea/didn't understand anything that happened. He just proved that if you dumb it down enough people will believe it.
I agree that NBC's attempt to correct an obvious mistake only helped him. I just say it's because the low educated voters didn't know any better. And they believe that if the "lamestream media" says it it must be "fake news" trying to make Trump look bad.
I will never disagree that the coverage of Trump helped Trump.
I've noticed that, for many, the term "low educated voters" really means "people who didn't vote like me". Not to say there aren't low educated voters, there certainly are, and they abound on both sides of the spectrum.
(07-18-2017, 11:39 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've noticed that, for many, the term "low educated voters" really means "people who didn't vote like me". Not to say there aren't low educated voters, there certainly are, and they abound on both sides of the spectrum.
I prefer to use it for people who are still passing around bad indo, people who voted based on headlines that were false.
I'm sure (and agree with you) there were low educated that voted for Clinton too. Ignoring the faults and spins from your favorite candidate know no political boundaries...but given what I personally have been told and see regularly both on social media and in real life they did tend to fall on the pro-Trump side of the ledger.
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(07-18-2017, 11:39 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've noticed that, for many, the term "low educated voters" really means "people who didn't vote like me". Not to say there aren't low educated voters, there certainly are, and they abound on both sides of the spectrum.
Pretty much.. every time I see someone say "low educated voters" or "uneducated voters" as an excuse or reasoning, I just picture them like this:
(07-18-2017, 11:47 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Pretty much.. every time I see someone say "low educated voters" or "uneducated voters" as an excuse or reasoning, I just picture them like this:
Ha! I like that one!
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The GOP, correctly, gets called out for pandering to white voters. Why, by the same token, does the Democratic party not receive the same criticisms for pandering to "minority" voters?
(07-18-2017, 11:47 AM)GMDino Wrote: I prefer to use it for people who are still passing around bad indo, people who voted based on headlines that were false.
I'm sure (and agree with you) there were low educated that voted for Clinton too. Ignoring the faults and spins from your favorite candidate know no political boundaries...but given what I personally have been told and see regularly both on social media and in real life they did tend to fall on the pro-Trump side of the ledger.
We saw how inaccurate the polls on this election was, but I will tentatively point out this.
High school graduates or less: 45% vs 48% in favor of the Republicans.
I tried to find numbers that were just people who didn't graduate high school, but couldn't find them easily. That said, Democrats got 88% of the African American vote, who are the lowest in the nation at getting a high school degree at 69%. Hispanics voted 65% Democrat, and they are the second worst at graduating High School at 73%. Whites voted 58% Republican and graduated at a rate of 86%.
(http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-high-school-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.html)
Democrats also got 56% of the first time voters (40% for Republicans) and I can't imagine many people I would consider low educated more so than an 18-year-old. Lol
The GOP, correctly, gets called out for pandering to white voters. Why, by the same token, does the Democratic party not receive the same criticisms for pandering to "minority" voters?
High school graduates or less: 45% vs 48% in favor of the Republicans.
I tried to find numbers that were just people who didn't graduate high school, but couldn't find them easily. That said, Democrats got 88% of the African American vote, who are the lowest in the nation at getting a high school degree at 69%. Hispanics voted 65% Democrat, and they are the second worst at graduating High School at 73%. Whites voted 58% Republican and graduated at a rate of 86%.
(http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-high-school-graduation-rates-by-race-ethnicity.html)
Democrats also got 56% of the first time voters (40% for Republicans) and I can't imagine many people I would consider low educated more so than an 18-year-old. Lol
I'm not talking, personally, about people with degrees or even those who graduated.
My ex brother in law graduated high school, was an EMT and still believes Obama was born in Kenya. That's what "low educated" means to me. People who refuse to learn anything beyond the headline that reinforces their own opinion.
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The GOP, correctly, gets called out for pandering to white voters. Why, by the same token, does the Democratic party not receive the same criticisms for pandering to "minority" voters?
I was about to say, it's a common criticism. The right is constantly criticizing the left for it, and there are quite a few on the left that criticize the identity politics game as well.
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