Donald Trump Jr. Shares, Then Deletes, a Tweet Questioning Kamala Harris’s Race

[Dill]

(07-01-2019, 01:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Who cares?  Harris is a big liar, anyway.

https://davidharrisjr.com/politics/kamala-harris-caught-in-lie-on-her-biography-and-scientists-discover-fire-is-hot/

If you are urging us not to support liars, especially in support of conspiracy theories, then I am in total agreement Sunset. 

This standard is very important when we are choosing a president.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-01-2019, 01:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Who cares? Harris is a big liar, anyway.

https://davidharrisjr.com/politics/kamala-harris-caught-in-lie-on-her-biography-and-scientists-discover-fire-is-hot/

Which makes her just as qualified as Trump to be President. Minus the multiple bankruptcies, of course.

[*bfine32*]

(07-01-2019, 11:14 PM)Dill Wrote: Probably the same folks who were offended when Trump pushed us to the brink of war with Iran

and then were offended again when he called off an airstrike with planes in the air.

"Brink of War with Iran".....2funny

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 12:23 AM)bfine32 Wrote: "Brink of War with Iran".....2funny

Is it your opinion that if Donald had killed 150 Iranians, they would not attempt to retaliate in some form in equal measure?

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 07:48 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Is it your opinion that if Donald had killed 150 Iranians, they would not attempt to retaliate in some form in equal measure?

Did Syria start a war with the US?  Did Libya?No I do not believe we were ever on the Brink of War with Iran.

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 10:21 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Did Syria start a war with the US?  Did Libya?No I do not believe we were ever on the Brink of War with Iran.

So you would have preferred he say "on the Brink of Military Conflict with Iran?"

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 10:26 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: So you would have preferred he say "on the Brink of Military Conflict with Iran?"

My preference is not important, he just used the most hyperbolic phase he could think of. 

But we were never on the brink of war with Iran. It's just a scare tactic just like we've been on the Brink of War with Russia, Syria, North Korea, ect.. 

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 10:31 AM)bfine32 Wrote: My preference is not important, he just used the most hyperbolic phase he could think of. 

But we were never on the brink of war with Iran. It's just a scare tactic just like we've been on the Brink of War with Russia, Syria, North Korea, ect.. 

Well, your preference is important because you are the one who took exception to his choice of words.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

It's all rather immaterial as Harris won't be the nominee. Her history as a prosecutor will work against her in today's pro-criminal Democratic party.

[GMDino]

(07-02-2019, 11:24 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's all rather immaterial as Harris won't be the nominee.  Her history as a prosecutor will work against her in today's pro-criminal Democratic party.

(07-02-2019, 10:31 AM)bfine32 Wrote: My preference is not important, he just used the most hyperbolic phase he could think of. 

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 11:10 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Well, your preference is important because you are the one who took exception to his choice of words.

I just found them humorous

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 11:24 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's all rather immaterial as Harris won't be the nominee.  Her history as a prosecutor will work against her in today's pro-criminal Democratic party.

I'm obviously in the minority in thinking Biden scored points in the exchange; especially when he pointed out how he served as a Defender while KH served as a prosecutor.

[Dill]

(07-02-2019, 10:21 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Did Syria start a war with the US?  Did Libya?No I do not believe we were ever on the Brink of War with Iran.

To get the "brink," you would have to go way beyond the US filling the Gulf with US military assets and threatening annihilation and Iran shooting down a US drone and then US putting planes in the air for a military strike expected to kill some 150 Iranians before the US backed down. 

No different from those times when we had planes in the air to strike Russia or N Korea. 

"If Syria didn't shoot back, why would Iran?" said the Joint chiefs to Trump and the NSC. "They are both in the Middle East so they would respond the same way. Any way, Iran couldn't beat Iraq back in the '80s. So one way or the other it doesn't matter."

[Dill]

(07-02-2019, 01:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm obviously in the minority in thinking Biden scored points in the exchange; especially when he pointed out how he served as a Defender while KH served as a prosecutor.

Actually he scored a lot of points. He does have a great record on civil rights, better than anyone on stage at the time. And he made it clear he has the most experience.  That's why he is still the front runner.

But Harris did more than score a "point" in her exchange with him. She showed that she can challenge opponents in a debate, and showed that Biden was not yet prepped for debate. 

Biden has a chance now to get serious and come back strong in the upcoming debates, but I don't expect him to do that. It's too early to call winners, but if Harris can go toe to toe with Warren, and does not prove gaff prone, she certainly has a shot at the nomination. She would be a good pick for VP too.

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 02:18 PM)Dill Wrote: Actually he scored a lot of points. He does have a great record on civil rights, better than anyone on stage at the time. And he made it clear he has the most experience.  That's why he is still the front runner.

But Harris did more than score a "point" in her exchange with him. She showed that she can challenge opponents in a debate, and showed that Biden was not yet prepped for debate. 

Biden has a chance now to get serious and come back strong in the upcoming debates, but I don't expect him to do that. It's too early to call winners, but if Harris can go toe to toe with Warren, and does not prove gaff prone, she certainly has a shot at the nomination. She would be a good pick for VP too.

To my knowledge, Bernie has a better record on civil rights than Biden. Am I misunderstanding this?

[Dill]

(07-02-2019, 02:31 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: To my knowledge, Bernie has a better record on civil rights than Biden. Am I misunderstanding this?

Black voters don't think so.   Their voting records in Congress might be near identical, but Biden has been writing and pushing civil rights legislation since 1969.  He was point man for the Dems in the '80s when they bucked Reagan on Apartheid.  And he has the support of the first black president now.  

He is not a democratic socialist, but both he and Sanders would be strong supporters of civil rights.

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 04:01 PM)Dill Wrote: Black voters don't think so.   Their voting records in Congress might be near identical, but Biden has been writing and pushing civil rights legislation since 1969.  He was point man for the Dems in the '80s when they bucked Reagan on Apartheid.  And he has the support of the first black president now.  

He is not a democratic socialist, but both he and Sanders would be strong supporters of civil rights.

Well, he was also the one who penned the 1994 Crime Bill. Considering tough on crime is a thing that Kamala is being accused of in some cases, wouldn't that burden rest at Biden's feet as well?

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 02:31 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: To my knowledge, Bernie has a better record on civil rights than Biden. Am I misunderstanding this?

Didn't BLM protest Bernie last election cycle?

[Dill]

(07-02-2019, 04:09 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Well, he was also the one who penned the 1994 Crime Bill. Considering tough on crime is a thing that Kamala is being accused of in some cases, wouldn't that burden rest at Biden's feet as well?

The empirical test says "no."  According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, Biden has 21% of the black vote, to Harris' and Warren's tie at 20%. https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2631.  The difference was far greater last month.

Joe is more likely to get a pass than Harris, I think, especially among black voters over 50.

As I say this I remind you that I am not a big Biden supporter. I have followed the guy since the '80s, and while I like him a lot personally, I don't think he will match Warren or Harris in the upcoming debates.  If I am wrong about his waning ability to focus and grasp the nuances of today's electorate, he will show that in the upcoming debates and I will change my mind and support the old white guy.  His understanding of policy is broader than anyone else's in the field, I believe. I just worry that age is having an effect.