EU court decides Sweden can not deport terrorist migrants

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 11:21 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You're apparently upset that a treaty ratified by all members of the UN was ratified by all members of the UN and are suggesting that anything that comes from it is a "sham".

The reality of all of this is that the member nations of the EU agreed to changes and now nearly a decade later a single court ruling is being misrepresented as a rallying call for alt right White Europeans. We've moved away from discussing the fact that this ruling didn't tell Sweden it can't deport terrorist migrants and are now discussing whether or not the treaty that gave the courts more power is legitimate. 

It's a moot argument that is a poor excuse for ignoring the reality of what the courts actually said. 

Hahaha they had to take this through the back door to seize control. But hey let’s not worry about the people of three members who voted this down.

The fact they pulled this with the Lisbon Treaty should honestly lead to an EU referendum in every member country.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 11:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: That was two years before the final treaty. Perhaps changes changed their decision just like in Ireland.


On a whim? Wouldn't all the countries have an equal say?

Our constitution has been changed and added to without adding a new one.


I think it's just a little paranoia to look at it that way.

They changed the rules to allow parliaments to ratify it as opposed to a vote of the people. They used this and made arrangements to get it passed. Which is why the Irish public yell at their former leader on the streets.

All countries do not have equal say. Germany has the most votes in the EU.

[GMDino]

(01-24-2018, 11:35 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They changed the rules to allow parliaments to ratify it as opposed to a vote of the people.   They used this and made arrangements to get it passed.    Which is why the Irish public yell at their former leader on the streets.  

All countries do not have equal say.   Germany has the most votes in the EU.

But Ireland ratified it the second time.  But a much larger margin.  So that is moot.  That's what you would call "snowflakes" who "need to admit they lost".


Looks like they have changed the voting weights a few times...with Germany on of four countries to have more votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

Quote:Treaty of Lisbon[edit]


Article 16 of the "Treaty on European Union",[22] as amended by the Treaty of Lisbon, stipulates that the Council voting arrangements of the Nice Treaty applied until 31 October 2014.[a] Article 16 also states the conditions for a qualified majority, effective since 1 November 2014 (Lisbon rules):

• Majority of countries: 55% (comprising at least 16 of them), or 72% if acting on a proposal from neither the Commission nor from the High Representative, and
• Majority of population: 65%.
  

A blocking minority requires—in addition to not meeting one of the two conditions above—that at least 4 countries (or, if not all countries participate in the vote, the minimum number of countries representing more than 35% of the population of the participating countries, plus one country) vote against the proposal. Thus, there may be cases where an act is passed, even though the population condition is not met. This precludes scenarios where 3 populous countries could block a decision against the other 25 countries.



Note that the Lisbon rules eradicated the use of "artificial" voting weights. This move, first proposed in the Constitution, is based on the size of populations and, at the same time, acknowledges the smaller member states' fears of being overruled by the larger countries.

And, again, they agreed to it.  It wasn't forced on any country by a court.

[BmorePat87]

(01-24-2018, 11:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: But Ireland ratified it the second time.  But a much larger margin.  So that is moot.  That's what you would call "snowflakes" who "need to admit they lost".


Looks like they have changed the voting weights a few times...with Germany on of four countries to have more votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union



And, again, they agreed to it.  It wasn't forced on any country by a court.

Facts no longer matter in this thread. It's best that we move on.

[GMDino]

(01-24-2018, 11:58 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Facts no longer matter in this thread. It's best that we move on.

Maybe someday....

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 11:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: But Ireland ratified it the second time.  But a much larger margin.  So that is moot.  That's what you would call "snowflakes" who "need to admit they lost".


Looks like they have changed the voting weights a few times...with Germany on of four countries to have more votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union



And, again, they agreed to it.  It wasn't forced on any country by a court.

Dig past Wikipedia for the Irish vote.

[GMDino]

(01-24-2018, 12:37 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Dig past Wikipedia for the Irish vote.

Do you have information about them NOT approving it the second time by a much larger margin?

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 01:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: Do you have information about them NOT approving it the second time by a much larger margin?

Look at what the EU crafted to get it through.

The Lisbon Treaty shenanigans is what is lit this anti EU movement in Europe . This lit the fuse and Merkel, the mother of all migrants, telling them to Stampede into Europe at unchecked levels is what fuels it.

If I thought you actually took it serious I would go find things for you but I have been around long enough to know what you are all about.

I bet you didn’t even watch the two videos I posted earlier. You see the MEP debate on the matter.

[GMDino]

This is all over the place.

(01-24-2018, 06:17 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Look at what the EU crafted to get it through.  

The Lisbon Treaty shenanigans is what is lit this anti EU movement in Europe .  This lit the fuse and Merkel, the mother of all migrants, telling them to Stampede into Europe at unchecked levels is what fuels it.  

If I thought you actually took it serious I would go find things for you but I have been around long enough to know what you are all about.  

I bet you didn’t even watch the two videos I posted earlier.    You see the MEP debate on the matter.

What I looked at was that it was rejected, altered, and approved.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 06:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: This is all over the place.


What I looked at was that it was rejected, altered, and approved.

Because it’s not as simple as that. It was a power seize by the EU after the people rejected it.

If you love the idea of the United States of Europe then you probably don’t care the people were screwed. If you love freedom and the ability of a nation to makes its own laws and control its own borders then you are against this action.

Just depends on where you stand. For instance Matt loves the idea of the EU. That’s fine . He is a socialist who believes this somehow stops conflicts. I prefer separate nations who just trade with one another. If the EU was it’s original self then I would be also be pro EU.

[Belsnickel]

(01-24-2018, 06:30 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Just depends on where you stand. For instance Matt loves the idea of the EU. That’s fine . He is a socialist who believes this somehow stops conflicts. I prefer separate nations who just trade with one another. If the EU was it’s original self then I would be also be pro EU.

I always forget how ignorant some people are about socialism.

[GMDino]

(01-24-2018, 06:30 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Because it’s not as simple as that.   It was a power seize by the EU after the people rejected it.  

If you love the idea of the United States of Europe then you probably don’t care the people were screwed.    If you love freedom and the ability of a nation to makes its own laws and control its own borders then you are against this action.  

Just depends on where you stand.    For instance Matt loves the idea of the EU.  That’s fine .  He is a socialist who believes this somehow stops conflicts.    I prefer separate nations who just trade with one another.   If the EU was it’s original self then I would be also be pro EU.

The people accepted it.

The ones who don't like that are still complaining...much like those who didn't vote for Trump.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 01:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: Do you have information about them NOT approving it the second time by a much larger margin?

How about governments not allowing referendums. And then not accepting a no vote and making them vote over and over again until it’s a yes.

This is Soviet Union type stuff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1054732/EU-begins-secret-drive-force-Ireland-vote-rejected-Lisbon-Treaty.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/dec/13/eu-ireland-lisbon-treaty

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/2437817/Nicolas-Sarkozy-Ireland-must-vote-again-on-EU-Lisbon-treaty.html

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 06:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I always forget how ignorant some people are about socialism.

Oh would you prefer globalist?

You prefer the socialist party in Germany. So it’s not much of a stretch. But if you want to say your a green or whatever then so be it.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 06:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: The people accepted it.

The ones who don't like that are still complaining...much like those who didn't vote for Trump.

If the people accepted it there would be no rise of anti Eu groups all over Europe.

It was a flat out power grab and they conspired to force them to revote until they gave in...... the exact same thing they are trying to do with Brexit.

Jacob Reed Mogg just blasted the Davis today.

[GMDino]

(01-24-2018, 08:50 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If the people accepted it there would be no rise of anti Eu groups all over Europe.  

It was a flat out power grab and they conspired to force them to revote until they gave in...... the exact same thing they are trying to do with Brexit.  

Jacob Reed Mogg just blasted the Davis today.

Well not ALL the people accept it...lol.

Just like not everyone here accepts everything that is voted on.

Which sees the rise of groups that protest a lot.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-24-2018, 08:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well not ALL the people accept it...lol.

Just like not everyone here accepts everything that is voted on.

Which sees the rise of groups that protest a lot.

Some groups peacefully work to get votes and form a voting block (anti Eu/pro nation state parties). Others like Antifa decide to just attack people with violence.

[Dill]

(01-24-2018, 06:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I always forget how ignorant some people are about socialism.

How strange. And there is so much information about socialism on the internet, lol . . .

[Dill]

(01-24-2018, 08:48 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Oh would you prefer globalist?  

You prefer the socialist party in Germany.  So it’s not much of a stretch.   But if you want to say your a green or whatever then so be it.

Lucy, how come you are all upset about countries voting together to better their common economies, but you defend authoritarian Russia?  Why the selective application of democratic ideals?

[GMDino]

(01-25-2018, 12:46 AM)Dill Wrote: Lucy, how come you are all upset about countries voting together to better their common economies, but you defend authoritarian Russia?  Why the selective application of democratic ideals?

Gotta know which side you bread is buttered!

If ya know what I mean....