Enviromental Pollution Agency

[mallorian69]

http://www.denverpost.com/environment/ci_28595759/animas-river-contaminated-by-1-million-gallons-contaminated

[*michaelsean*]

I wonder how much they are going to get fined.

[mallorian69]

Knowing them since they were there taking water quality samples they took them after and will fine the company.

[RoyleRedlegs]

The EPA is by far the worst and most useless government agency.

[mallorian69]

(08-10-2015, 12:32 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: The EPA is by far the worst and most useless government agency.

No that would be the department of education

[RoyleRedlegs]

(08-10-2015, 01:37 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: No that would be the department of education

At least the Department of Education had good intentions.

The EPA has always been about a pure governmental overreach of power and control masquerading as caring about the environment 

[mallorian69]

(08-10-2015, 01:41 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: At least the Department of Education had good intentions.

The EPA has always been about a pure governmental overreach of power and control masquerading as caring about the environment 

The EPA can and has done good. Just look at Cleveland, their river hasn't caught on fire in over 40 years. But just like every other government agency it has been corrupted from it's original purpose of striking a balance between protecting the environment and maintaining a good economy.

It has been taken over by power hungry groups and individuals that use it to further their own agendas.

[RoyleRedlegs]

(08-10-2015, 03:05 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: The EPA can and has done good. Just look at Cleveland, their river hasn't caught on fire in over 40 years. But just like every other government agency it has been corrupted from it's original purpose of striking a balance between protecting the environment and maintaining a good economy.

It has been taken over by power hungry groups and individuals that use it to further their own agendas.

The EPA was designed to give the government abilities to snatch property.
It wasn't taken over...it was built that way

[GMDino]

(08-10-2015, 01:41 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: At least the Department of Education had good intentions.

The EPA has always been about a pure governmental overreach of power and control masquerading as caring about the environment 

(08-10-2015, 03:07 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: The EPA was designed to give the government abilities to snatch property.
It wasn't taken over...it was built that way

Yep. Water and air are no cleaner and now government owns the land they snatched.  For sure. 

[RoyleRedlegs]

(08-10-2015, 03:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yep. Water and air are no cleaner and now government owns the land they snatched.  For sure. 

Cool. That happened 30 years ago. 
What are they doing now? Passing rules and regulations that give them the ability to prevent growth. 

[GMDino]

(08-10-2015, 03:19 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Cool. That happened 30 years ago. 
What are they doing now? Passing rules and regulations that give them the ability to prevent growth. 

They are attempting to keep the air and water clean.

[RoyleRedlegs]

(08-10-2015, 03:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: They are attempting to keep the air and water clean.

Nothing is going to happen to the air and water if the EPA went away. 

This isn't a dystopian movie where everything will go to shit. 

Instead they create new rules that allow them to seize control of land if a prairie dog lives on it. Or stop building of a home if a rare bird took a shit there 5 years ago and is never actually seen there. Or if there is a temporary marsh/wetland on private land....


But yeah. Grade A group man. 

[StLucieBengal]

I wondered when this was gonna be posted. Thanks useless regulation.

RRL, excellent post above. So tired of hearing about how the world will turn into Mad Max without the EPA.

If they were a private company they would be slammed for it, now the government does it then it's 3x worse than they say it is ..... and they just say oops.

[GMDino]

(08-10-2015, 03:24 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Nothing is going to happen to the air and water if the EPA went away. 

This isn't a dystopian movie where everything will go to shit. 

Instead they create new rules that allow them to seize control of land if a prairie dog lives on it. Or stop building of a home if a rare bird took a shit there 5 years ago and is never actually seen there. Or if there is a temporary marsh/wetland on private land....


But yeah. Grade A group man. 

No this is America where companies will cut any corner they can to make an extra penny.

And they lie and they pay off inspectors and they pollute and they poison...all in the name of the almighty dollar.

What makes you think that if they weren't forced to not pour chemicals in the water they would not when they are still trying to do it NOW when someone is watching them?

[StLucieBengal]

(08-10-2015, 03:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: No this is America where companies will cut any corner they can to make an extra penny.

And they lie and they pay off inspectors and they pollute and they poison...all in the name of the almighty dollar.

What makes you think that if they weren't forced to not pour chemicals in the water they would not when they are still trying to do it NOW when someone is watching them?

the idea that the companies would just destroy the enviornment is pretty crazy. Your fear mongering.

[GMDino]

(08-10-2015, 03:56 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: the idea that the companies would just destroy the enviornment is pretty crazy.   Your fear mongering.

The idea that they don't shows how you have blinders on.  You are burying your head in the sand.

[jakefromstatefarm]

And people wonder why companies continue to outsource jobs overseas?

Between labor costs and the EPA regulations in this country, it's surprising we make anything here besides food.

Of course, some people believe that the answer to these problems is MORE government.

[mallorian69]

(08-10-2015, 03:56 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: the idea that the companies would just destroy the enviornment is pretty crazy.   Your fear mongering.

So the Cayahoga river didn't catch fire 4 times because companies we're dumping anything and everything in the river?

I agree with you more often than not but this is one of the nots.

[StLucieBengal]

(08-10-2015, 06:59 PM)mallorian69 Wrote: So the Cayahoga river didn't catch fire 4 times because companies we're dumping anything and everything in the river?

I agree with you more often than not but this is one of the nots.

Not saying there isn't a place for Enviornmental protection. But the hysteria over the big bad companies trying to end the world with pollution is my issue.

The EPA needs dialed back to reasonable levels of regulation. Not to mention they are unelected people and do not have to directly answer to the public.

[*PhilHos*]

It looks like Walter Peck is back with the EPA