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(03-10-2016, 02:22 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Oh, no doubt that there is an overreaction to a point.
However there are plenty of instances where Muslims practicing Sharia Law will target women that they think aren't dressed modestly. To some Muslims (not just the men), if a woman isn't fully covered from head to feet, then she isn't being modest and that she is tempting men.
I guess the idea is that men are unable to control their urges and will have sex with any woman that is tempting him.
That is counter to how western woman behave and act. If the western woman were to go to live in a Muslim country, then I would agree that she should follow the local customs regarding her attire. However these immigrants or refugees are coming into the countries that western woman have lived for many years. To tell those women to be more tolerant and not try to tempt these men by wearing shorts or skirts or dresses or low cut tops is where I have a problem with the immigration of this group of people.
In this very article, we have a man that is having to defend his own wife and daughter from harassment from a Sharia Patrol. I could understand if this was Dubai (which is very lax on these things), Kuwait or Saudi Arabia. However this is Austria. Why is there a Sharia Patrol in Austria? To me there shouldn't be.
On that list of crimes reported there were multiple men who reported being sexually assaulted too.
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(03-09-2016, 12:19 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: If you allow someone to stay in your home and he rapes your daughter, would you not at least ask him to leave ?
I'd erase the SOB, but I doubt many would say "oh, rapes happen all the time".
If I were in charge of a country and a non-citizen had irrefutably raped someone, I would deport them and any family members.
That should be the process.
If you can't keep it in your pants, you just screwed your whole family.
When phrased like that it certainly sounds silly to say "no, I wouldn't ask them to leave".
A better way to understand the argument is "the numbers out there do not suggest that refugees are raping or killing at higher rates than the non-refugee population".
Anecdotal evidence is powerful, but you cannot claim that there is a problem until the actual occurrence indicates that it is. If every 1 in 10,000 (made up number) German rapes someone, we should expect the refugee numbers to be similar. If it turns out that of the nearly 1,000,000 refugees, only 50 raped someone, then that's 1 in every 20,000. They're arguably better than the population. If it's 500 rapists, then it's 1 in every 2,000 and we have an issue.
So the question becomes, is it actually a problem? There was a post about a family killing their daughter. The poster said "they don't value the west!!!". Well, murder happens often here and many times between family members. Crunching FBI data, the one murder in the 1,000,000 refugees was FAR below the rate in which it happens here, so the claim was dismissed. If anything, it would appear they value something more than the average American.
I said I would concede if the numbers came out and suggested it was a problem.
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(03-10-2016, 01:01 AM)Vlad Wrote: .an Imam that blames scantily clad women and perfume for the rape spree...
There was no rape spree.
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(03-10-2016, 08:18 AM)GMDino Wrote: On that list of crimes reported there were multiple men who reported being sexually assaulted too.
Yes Muslims rape men as well. Especially boys.
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(03-10-2016, 11:03 AM)fredtoast Wrote: There was no rape spree.
Coordinates sexual assaults across Europe by migrants would say differently
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http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/03/10/italian-police-arrest-imam-who-infiltrated-migrant-center-and-planned-rome-terrorist-attack/
Quote:Italian counterterrorist police have arrested a 22-year-old Somali imam and asylum-seeker, for planning a terror attack on the city of Rome as well as “intense and vehement proselytism” among migrants for jihad.
On Wednesday, police moved swiftly to arrest the man at the “Happy Family” migrant reception center where he was living in Campobasso, in the southern Italian region of Molise, saying they had evidence he intended to leave that very day for Rome where he planned to carry out an attack.
Prosecutors also claim they have “clear technical evidence” indicating that the imam, who told others living at the center that he was a member of the Somali Islamist group al Shabaab, was preparing an attack in Rome. He had been denied refugee status and would have had to leave the migrant center soon.
Just over two months of intense investigation, including the interception of phone conversations and taped footage from a hidden camera placed in the man’s room, allowed the counterterrorist agents ascertain the real extent of his words and intentions.
According to police, in an intercepted conversation the man uttered the phrase, “Let’s start with Italy, let’s go to Rome and start with the station,” referring to Rome’s iconic Termini train station.
“The war continues. Charlie Hebdo was only a foretaste of what is happening now,” he also said, as well as “there’s an easier way: to equip themselves and blow themselves up, that’s the easiest way.”
The man allegedly used his platform as imam to praise last November’s terrorist attacks in Paris and the “martyrdom” of its perpetrators, urging the other guests of the center to join jihad and follow him, first to Rome and then to Syria. At the end of one service, the imam offered a prayer for the Islamic State and for the fighters who sacrifice themselves for the cause.
According to the charges brought against him, the young Somali sang the praises of ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Al Shabaab, in an attempt to radicalize other guests of the reception center to undertake violent actions under jihad. The chief prosecutor of Campobasso, Armando D’Alterio has described his activities as an “intense and vehement proselytism” for jihad against the West.
In one recorded sermon, the imam declared to the other guests at the migrant center:
“This month the Prophet is preparing soldiers against the idolaters, fighting against the enemies of God. So take advantage of this month, and race to be the first. God has ordered us to kill his enemies and make jihad in his name, preach religion and Sharia and punish the sinner.”
Police believe the Rome attack was still in the planning stages, and that the man had not yet acquired the necessary materials to carry it out. They do, however, identify him as “extremely dangerous and determined,” with clear intentions of violent actions.
“The arrest in Campobasso shows that the system of prevention works,” said Italian Minister of the Interior Angelino Alfano. “We have a very strict, technically equipped monitoring system in all the centers and places where proselytism can occur and where recruiting could theoretically take place.”
Matteo Salvini of Italy’s Northern League Party was not so quick to heap praise on the system, saying that Italy is in heightened danger of attacks precisely because of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi’s weak immigration policies.
“Renzi is an accomplice in this!” Salvini said. “If I were in his place, there would be blanket controls and mass deportations. Italians are at risk because of Renzi and Mattarella,” he said, referring to Sergio Mattarella, Italy’s President.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/651224/migrant-abducts-young-boy-gropes-mother-swimming-pool-attack-Austria
Quote:The man had attempted to talk to the 37-year-old woman who was at a swimming pool with her young son.
When she rejected his advances at the pool in Klagenfurt, Austria the man reportedly went into the children's play pool and grabbed her son.
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He ran off with the child into a dark grotto being a fake waterfall at the water park.
The panicked mother ran after her child and was allegedly sexually assaulted by the migrant, who had attempted to speak to her in broken German.
The man grabbed her, put his hand inside her swimming costume and touched her private parts before she managed to escape with her child, according to Austrian police.
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The attacker was around 50-years-old and almost certainly a foreigner
Police spokesman Markus Dexl
Officers says the man, described as dark skinned, left the swimming pool shortly after the attack.
Police spokesman Markus Dexl said: "The attacker was around 50-years-old and almost certainly a foreigner, who attempted to speak to her.
"Because she didn't understand him, he had indicated that she should come nearer to him which she did not do."
The woman was attacked behind the fake waterfall at the Klagenfurt poolCEN
The woman was attacked behind the fake waterfall at the Klagenfurt pool
Police are investigating the incident at Klagenfurt Indoor PoolVISITKLAGENFURT.AT
Police are investigating the incident at Klagenfurt Indoor Pool
The man is described as dark-skinned and around 6ft 1in tall, powerfully-built, with short grey curly hair, brown eyes and moustache.
The attack is the latest in a spate of sexual assaults said to involve migrants.
An Iraqi asylum seeker is awaiting trial for the alleged rape of a young boy in a pool changing room in Vienna, Austria.
Tensions have escalated following the Cologne New Year's Eve sex attacksAFP
Tensions have escalated following the Cologne New Year's Eve sex attacks
Cologne: Sex Attacks and Robberies
Tue, January 12, 2016
Thirty-one suspects, including 18 asylum seekers, are under investigation over offences including sexual assault and theft in Cologne on New Year's Eve. Far right protestors in Lepzig have rallied against refugees and German chancellor Angela Merkel.
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Protestors in Lepzig rally after over 100 women were sexually assualted on New Year's Eve [Reuters•Getty]
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The far right wing group in Germany smashed shop windows including this kebab shop [EPA]
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While bosses at a watermark in Norderstedt in Germany have announced plans to segregate men and women after police arrested two asylum seekers from Afghanistan accused of carrying out a sex attack on two girls.
Tensions have escalated in Germany following the Cologne New Year's Eve sex attacks in which up to 130 women were robbed and sexually assaulted by gangs of men, believed to be migrants.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/09/slovenia-to-ban-transit-of-migrants-as-crisis-spirals/
I wish they would all just close borders. We were sitting next to a group of Bulgarians on our flight from turkey. This topic came up and a couple of them had family members who were on border patrol. They said that the border patrol grabs these people and basically unofficially beats them and then expels them. This is why most of the migrants go through turkey over Bulgaria.
Quote:Slovenia announced Tuesday that it will refuse the transit of most migrants through its territory in a bid to seal off the Balkan route used by hundreds of thousands of people seeking a new life in Europe.
The dramatic twist in Europe’s tangled migrant crisis could set off a domino effect among Balkan states, with Serbia swiftly indicating it would follow Ljubljana’s lead and Croatia and Macedonia also expected to follow suit.
The moves to shut down the main route used by the vast influx of migrants hoping to find asylum or better economic prospects in northern Europe come barely a day after the EU and Turkey agreed a proposal aimed at easing the crisis.
EU officials hailed Monday’s deal with Ankara as an important breakthrough, but the head of the UN refugee agency cast doubt on its legality, while Amnesty International said the plan “dealt a death blow to the right to seek asylum”.
Slovenia’s interior ministry said that from midnight (2300 GMT), access would only be granted to “foreigners meeting the requirements to enter the country”, those wishing to claim asylum, and migrants selected “on a case by case basis on humanitarian grounds and in accordance with the rules of the Schengen zone”.
More than a million people have crossed the Aegean Sea into Greece since the start of 2015, many from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq and most aiming to reach wealthy Germany and Scandinavia, causing deep divisions among EU members about how to deal with Europe’s worst migration crisis since World War II.
Serbia said that following Slovenia’s move, it would “align all measures with the European Union” and impose the same restrictions at its borders with Macedonia and Bulgaria.
Slovenia and Serbia, along with Austria, Croatia and Macedonia, have dramatically restricted entry to migrants in recent weeks, leaving a bottleneck of some 36,000 stuck at the Greek-Macedonian border, unable to continue their journey.
– Legal doubts –
Turkey, currently hosting 2.7 million Syrian refugees, is the key springboard for migrants making the perilous sea crossing to Greece. Efforts to stem the flow have failed, with nearly 2,000 migrants landing on the overstretched Greek islands every day in February.
At talks in Brussels on Monday, the EU agreed in principle to a Turkish proposal to take back all illegal migrants landing on the Greek islands.
Ankara also proposed an arrangement under which the EU would resettle one Syrian refugee from camps in Turkey in exchange for every Syrian that Turkey takes from Greece, in a bid to reduce the incentive for people to board boats for Europe.
European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker called the plan a “real game changer” and insisted it was “legally feasible”, but it sparked concern from UN refugee chief Filippo Grandi.
“As a first reaction I’m deeply concerned about any arrangement that would involve the blanket return of anyone from one country to another without spelling out the refugee protection safeguards under international law,” Grandi told the European Parliament in Strasbourg.
Rights group Amnesty International said the proposal was full of “moral and legal flaws” and along with Human Rights Watch challenged the idea that Turkey was a “safe country” to which migrants could return.
“The idea of bartering refugees for refugees is not only dangerously dehumanising, but also offers no sustainable long-term solution to the ongoing humanitarian crisis,” Amnesty’s Iverna McGowan said.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, speaking in Berlin alongside German Chancellor Angela Merkel — a key player in the migrant drama — said he was “concerned that many EU countries are adopting increasingly restrictive asylum policies”.
– ‘Shame and disgrace’ –
After talks in the western Turkish city of Izimr on Wednesday, Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and his Greek counterpart Alexis Tsipras pledged to work together to implement the plan.
Tsipras said the situation in the Aegean, where hundreds of migrants have drowned already this year making the perilous crossing in rickety boats, was a “shame and disgrace to our culture”.
Greece and Turkey also renewed their commitment to a 2002 protocol on the readmission of migrants, which has rarely been activated before now, in the hope that its use could transform the refugee crisis.
But securing a deal at another European summit next week may still be difficult given the deep divisions that the migration crisis has sown in the bloc.
Hungary’s hardline anti-migration Prime Minister Viktor Orban may veto the resettlement deal, while Cyprus said it remained opposed to accelerated EU accession talks for Turkey.
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(03-12-2016, 07:59 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Coordinates sexual assaults across Europe by migrants would say differently
No they wouldn't. It's hyperbolic to call what occurred in most of the incidents rape.
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(03-12-2016, 08:43 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: No they wouldn't. It's hyperbolic to call what occurred in most of the incidents rape.
I did say sexual assaults
There is a link here I posted where the actual list breakdown of Crimes from part of that night in Cologne. If I can post that only I will.
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(03-12-2016, 08:46 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I did say sexual assaults
In an effort to defend the use of the term 'rape spree', though. Fred was correct, there was not a 'rape spree'. The fact there were multiple sexual assaults does not say differently.
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(03-12-2016, 08:47 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: In an effort to defend the use of the term 'rape spree', though. Fred was correct, there was not a 'rape spree'. The fact there were multiple sexual assaults does not say differently.
So it's a sexual assault spree? How is that any better? You guys are playing word games instead of just acknowledging that there would be significantly less sexual assaults/rapes without these migrants.
The graphic is in this story. This is part of the night. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/21/revealed-full-list-of-1049-victims-crimes-committed-during-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-assaults/
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(03-12-2016, 08:53 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So it's a sexual assault spree? How is that any better? You guys are playing word games instead of just acknowledging that there would be significantly less sexual assaults/rapes without these migrants.
It is better, because rape is to sexual assault what murder is to assault. It is the pinnacle of the family of crimes. I know more about what happened than most people on this board and what has been going on. I have seen the statistics and talked with people actually dealing with the refugees. You don't need to try to inform me of anything, and I won't bother trying to correct the misinformation you have been taking in. Not worth the effort.
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(03-12-2016, 09:07 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: It is better, because rape is to sexual assault what murder is to assault. It is the pinnacle of the family of crimes. I know more about what happened than most people on this board and what has been going on. I have seen the statistics and talked with people actually dealing with the refugees. You don't need to try to inform me of anything, and I won't bother trying to correct the misinformation you have been taking in. Not worth the effort.
In the police line it says sexual assault/rape.
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Wonder how long before someone has some type of excuse or rationalization that will claim that this would have still happened even if there were no migrants?
Or point out how White Christians at some point in history did something horrible, so we shouldn't really be angry or outraged at this incident.
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(03-12-2016, 09:26 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: In the police line it says sexual assault/rape.
And what does that have to do with it? You can find the actual number of rapes reported in other places because not everywhere is it lumped together.
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This would be a better story if the Imam's big terrorism plot was to gang rape Western women.
Jus' sayin'. 
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(03-12-2016, 01:38 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: This would be a better story if the Imam's big terrorism plot was to gang rape Western women.
Jus' sayin'.
No need for a plot like that..... That's already standard operating procedure for Muslim migrants. 
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