FBI executes search warrant at Mar-A-Lago

[Au165]

(09-05-2022, 01:31 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Trump's team is granted a special master for the documents seized at Mar-A-Lago.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-bc980316f80f88620b92e5666f96251c?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_2

There is a lot of "sky is falling" surrounding this ruling because the order seems to leave open the idea of Trump being able to claim executive privilege. However, the order specifies for congressional investigations. You cannot claim executive privilege against the executive branch as the concept of it is designed to privilege information of the executive branch from the other two.

For the record, expect an appeal. The order includes an injunction on the investigation which it is immediately appealable. Plus, there are questions surrounding the jurisdiction of the judge in this case as Trump's team judge shopped and this is not where the order originated for the search, which is where it should have been brought.

Right, this will be overturned on appeal. Again, a very odd and contradictory ruling. The judge even went as so far to answer questions no one asked which makes this even worse when you step back and look at it.

[Belsnickel]

(09-05-2022, 08:00 PM)Au165 Wrote: Right, this will be overturned on appeal. Again, a very odd and contradictory ruling. The judge even went as so far to answer questions no one asked which makes this even worse when you step back and look at it.

Oh, the ruling is atrocious and ridiculously flawed. The only way this ends in a positive for Trump is if the 11th Circuit and/or SCOTUS help him delay the process.

[GMDino]

(09-05-2022, 08:00 PM)Au165 Wrote: Right, this will be overturned on appeal. Again, a very odd and contradictory ruling. The judge even went as so far to answer questions no one asked which makes this even worse when you step back and look at it.

(09-05-2022, 09:25 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Oh, the ruling is atrocious and ridiculously flawed. The only way this ends in a positive for Trump is if the 11th Circuit and/or SCOTUS help him delay the process.

1st: I'm not a lawyer.

2nd:  From what I am reading the bad part about this is the judge basically made silk from a sows ear.  Trump's "lawyers" didn't do much of anything right but she went ahead and gave him what he should have asked for...and what he probably should not have received anyway.

But delaying is DJT's favorite way to kill everything.

[*pally*]

The Washington Post is reporting that some of the documents did in fact relate to a foreign nation’s nuclear capability. Documents considered so sensitive that only the most senior officials are allowed access to them. Documents so important that they don’t end up in a box in Trump’s Florida office by accident. And documents covered by laws that prevent declassification via Trump’s magic incantation. In fact, they ar3 documents so secret that any other person caught with them like Trump has would be looking at serious time in Pa federal penitentiary

[GMDino]

Hey, at least he never admitted he took all those documents...

Quote:Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!

[masonbengals fan]

The pattern continues - things the Democrats get outraged by are things they themselves are doing.

[GMDino]

(01-13-2023, 11:09 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: The pattern continues - things the Democrats get outraged by are things they themselves are doing.

Not even close.

I'm sure it makes Republicans feel warm and fuzzy that these were found but know they have to admit the search of Trump's home was correct and not a "raid" and that the difference between refusing to return them and denying you had them and what Biden's lawyers did is black and white.

Add to that that Democrats have said go ahead and investigate Biden and see if he did something illegal.

But then I don't expect much from the right when it come to holding their own accountable.

[hollodero]

(01-13-2023, 11:09 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: The pattern continues - things the Democrats get outraged by are things they themselves are doing.

Imho that seems a tad unfair. For one, Trump had to be raided because he denied his wrongdoing and was uncooperative, that does not apply to the Biden situation. And second, Dems did not know that Biden story when they were outraged about Trump.

Aside from that, we'll see how this keeps playing out. Someone is responsible and needs to be held accountable. If the narrative goes in the "no harm, no foul" direction, then I will further agree with your sentiment (I already do agree with it to a certain extent).

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

The pattern that has continued is the right suddenly getting their pearls clutched about shit that they laughed off for years under "their guy".

But, not shocked in the slightest that the Democrats will find a way to shoot themselves in the foot.

[*pally*]

It is Trump's own propensity for lying, denying, and confrontation that has him in this position over the documents. All he had to do was give them back when asked and it would be a "no harm no foul" situation. The documents were accidentally taken and given back when discovered, like what happened with Biden. But Trump had to throw a tantrum like a 3-year-old screaming "mine" He is really his own worst enemy sometimes

[StoneTheCrow]

Good thing the documents were next to the old man’s dusty box of Playboys in the garage. Imagine Hunter getting into the wrong box on a bender.

[*Nately120*]

(01-13-2023, 11:23 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Good thing the documents were next to the old man’s dusty box of Playboys in the garage. Imagine Hunter getting into the wrong box on a bender.

Once you've cranked it to nuclear codes, Playboy just can't stack up anymore. 

[samhain]

Fun Qanon fodder:

The Biden docs are just a ploy to make Garland and the DOJ look impartial by investigating the administration as they cooperate in full.

Meanwhile, they continue to go full root-rooter on DJT without the burden of him being able to accuse them of bias....

Frankly, if you get rid of both of them, it's a favor to the Dems in almost every conceivable way.

[NATI BENGALS]

Apparently Biden doesn’t have the mental capability to just think about declassifying these documents to get himself out of trouble. Luckily he is prez and has total immunity.


Wonder if they will be bunkies in prison?

[Belsnickel]

(01-14-2023, 12:46 AM)samhain Wrote: Fun Qanon fodder:

The Biden docs are just a ploy to make Garland and the DOJ look impartial by investigating the administration as they cooperate in full.

Meanwhile, they continue to go full root-rooter on DJT without the burden of him being able to accuse them of bias....

Frankly, if you get rid of both of them, it's a favor to the Dems in almost every conceivable way.

This is my fun conspiracy theory. The delay in this hitting the news cycle was 100% about the mid-terms, but now that those are out of the way they made sure this hit the news well before the cycle for 2024 really kicked off. The DNC wanted it to happen to push Biden out of the running because they really don't want him on the ballot.

What we're seeing here, the classified documents taken in this manner, is not entirely uncommon and also isn't a huge deal (if you're not current POTUS can result in you losing access to intel), but the context of it in relation to Trump's fiasco (which was a big deal because he is a man child) makes this more of a story. I can really see the DNC or folks on the inside of the party seeing this as an opportunity to push Biden off the ticket in 2024, knowing that this is a common thing and that the timing for the context would be perfect. What we don't know, though, is what the attention span of Congress or the public will be.

[Goalpost]

Well. Garland applied a special council toward Trump at the same time he knew of this Biden story. Doesn't make Garland look great either. Justice can be blind if there is some omitting involved with it.

“Based on recent developments, including the former president’s announcement that he is a candidate for president in the next election, and the sitting president’s stated intention to be a candidate as well, I have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint a special counsel,” Garland said at the Justice Department on Friday.

That was Garland in November. And when did Garland 1st find out about Biden's classified documents. November.

[Belsnickel]

(01-14-2023, 01:54 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Well. Garland applied a special council toward Trump at the same time he knew of this Biden story. Doesn't make Garland look great either. Justice can be blind if there is some omitting involved with it.

“Based on recent developments, including the former president’s announcement that he is a candidate for president in the next election, and the sitting president’s stated intention to be a candidate as well, I have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint a special counsel,” Garland said at the Justice Department on Friday.

That was Garland in November. And when did Garland 1st find out about Biden's classified documents. November.

At which point he had someone working to determine whether a special counsel was necessary. Keep in mind that the special counsel for Trump is not really about the documents themselves. It is about the actions of Trump and his employees that (allegedly) obstructed government actions to regain those documents and (allegedly) lied to the government in the course of those events. This is why it is a false equivalency to try to talk about the Biden and Trump cases as if they were the same.

[Dill]

(01-13-2023, 11:09 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: The pattern continues - things the Democrats get outraged by are things they themselves are doing.

Yeah, I been saying this since 1/6/21--"Both sides do it."

If Biden continues to ignore the subpoena for the hundreds of intel documents he took,

Then the FBI should raid his home. 

Otherwise there is a double standard. 

Biden should have notified the FBI and N. Archives and returned the documents as soon as his lawyers found them. 

[Dill]

(01-14-2023, 02:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: At which point he had someone working to determine whether a special counsel was necessary. Keep in mind that the special counsel for Trump is not really about the documents themselves. It is about the actions of Trump and his employees that (allegedly) obstructed government actions to regain those documents and (allegedly) lied to the government in the course of those events. This is why it is a false equivalency to try to talk about the Biden and Trump cases as if they were the same.

Well no, I'm sorry to correct you on this, but 

I have been watching Fox News for the last two days.

The real issue is that Trump had some documents in his home and Biden acted like he was all incompetent

--then documents were found in Biden's office/home.

But Trump can de-classify documents if he wants to take them home, and Biden could NOT do that as vice president. 
So Biden is a liar and a hypocrite because he didn't let the DOJ raid his home. 
And he is in more legal trouble since he could not declassify the documents he stole.
(Mark Levin emphasized this in a Hannity interview 1/12/23.)

Dems will try to make this a legal issue and distract us with talk of "intentionality," "obstruction" and "criminal intent."
If a Trump lawyer signed off on a letter claiming all documents had been returned, then she should be prosecuted for 
lying, not Trump.  

People should not be fooled just because Biden reported and returned the documents as soon as found. 

This is about how the documents were stored--one set in a DOUBLE-locked basement and the other in a garage--

NOT about whether someone intentionally stole hundreds of classified documents he could not and had not declassified, and then
fought to illegally retain them by deceiving the DOJ--or should I say continues to fight to retain them.

[*Nately120*]

(01-14-2023, 01:14 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is my fun conspiracy theory. The delay in this hitting the news cycle was 100% about the mid-terms, but now that those are out of the way they made sure this hit the news well before the cycle for 2024 really kicked off. The DNC wanted it to happen to push Biden out of the running because they really don't want him on the ballot.

What we're seeing here, the classified documents taken in this manner, is not entirely uncommon and also isn't a huge deal (if you're not current POTUS can result in you losing access to intel), but the context of it in relation to Trump's fiasco (which was a big deal because he is a man child) makes this more of a story. I can really see the DNC or folks on the inside of the party seeing this as an opportunity to push Biden off the ticket in 2024, knowing that this is a common thing and that the timing for the context would be perfect. What we don't know, though, is what the attention span of Congress or the public will be.

Mark Kelly 2024!