Fiona: Yes I'm lying, but can't we talk about another subject?

[GMDino]

Quote:Carly Fiorina Confronts New Post-Debate Factcheck

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina woke up Thursday morning to arguments that her performance the night before, during CNBC's primary debate, wasn't without fact errors.

The Washington Post noted that Fiorina's assertion that 92 percent of the jobs lost during President Barack Obama's first term belonged to women was a recycled charge from Mitt Romney's campaign in 2012. Politifact had ruled that claim "mostly false" when the Romney staff touted it.

Politifact reported at the time:

Quote:One could reasonably argue that January 2009 employment figures are more a result of President George W. Bush’s policies, at least as far as any president can be blamed or credited for private-sector hiring.

We reached out to Gary Steinberg, spokesman for the BLS (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics), for his take on the claim. He pointed out that women’s job losses are high for that period of time because millions of men had already lost their jobs. Women were next.

Other economists also discredited the claim. Politifact added that "timing was important. And if you count all those jobs lost beginning in 2007, women account for just 39.7 percent of the total."

Appearing on CNN Tuesday morning, Fiorina was asked about the Washington Post report. "This is the same conversation we had after the last debate," she said. "Everybody came out and said I was using wrong data -- no, I’m not using wrong data."

As Fiorina alluded, the Fiorina fact-check has become a post-debate ritual as reporters have found her statements from previous debates (and speeches) to range from widely inaccurate to mild whitewashing, finding holes in everything from her attacks against Planned Parenthood to her retelling of her own biography and performance while CEO of Hewlett-Packard.

During a GOP primary debate last month, Fiorina reported what she claimed to have seen in a Planned Parenthood video: "Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says, 'We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.'" This turned out to be utterly false.

When the CNN anchor attempted to bring up the Planned Parenthood issue, Fiorina cut her off.

"This has been hashed and rehashed," she said. "Is there no other issue of economic import to the middle class in the United States of America that you’d like to talk about this morning?"

Its an interesting tact that I've seen this political cycle. Say anything you want...get told its either a stretch or a huge, flat out whopper of a lie, and then ignore it and ask why people are simply repeating what was said last time you lied and ask why we don't talk about "important" subjects.

Used to be the candidate would at least try to spin their statement into something closer to the truth if they could or claim to be misquoted at least...or even taken out of context.

Very clever. Especially when people are believing the lies.

Very clever indeed.

[*michaelsean*]

But wasn't she technically telling the truth? "Lost during his administration", not "lost because of his administration."

[JustWinBaby]

(10-30-2015, 07:33 AM)GMDino Wrote: Very clever.  Especially when people are believing the lies.

Very clever indeed.

Not terribly different from "you can keep your doctor....every family will save $2500....the attack was because of a video...a few rogue agents in a satellite office"

[GMDino]

(10-30-2015, 09:35 AM)michaelsean Wrote: But wasn't she technically telling the truth?  "Lost during his administration", not "lost because of his administration."

Do think that is technically what she meant?  

(10-30-2015, 02:06 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Not terribly different from "you can keep your doctor....every family will save $2500....the attack was because of a video...a few rogue agents in a satellite office"

Yeah, I'm getting lots of friends on Facebook pointing out politicians they don't like who lie.  I...am...stunned.

[JustWinBaby]

(10-30-2015, 02:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah, I'm getting lots of friends on Facebook pointing out politicians they don't like who lie.  I...am...stunned.

Isn't that exactly what you do here, again and again?  In other news, water is wet.

[GMDino]

(10-30-2015, 03:20 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Isn't that exactly what you do here, again and again?  In other news, water is wet.

I was using this to demonstrate the latest tactic:  Lie then tell people you don't want to talk about it and accuse them of not caring about important things.

In the past a pol would lie and then try and spin it.  Or they would spin something and try to lie about it.

Now they just lie and attack anyone who question them or calls them out.

Its a newer thing.

[6andcounting]

(10-30-2015, 02:06 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Not terribly different from "you can keep your doctor....every family will save $2500....the attack was because of a video...a few rogue agents in a satellite office"

"Limited air strike with no troops on the ground" is not an act of war.

[JustWinBaby]

(10-30-2015, 03:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: Its a newer thing.

Oh really?  Or is it just a Democratic tactic HuffPo hasn't made you aware of?  How would you even know the difference!?

What difference, at this point, does it make?!?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Repeat a lie often enough it will become the "Truth" even after the lie is known to be.

"I can see Russia from my house"

Remember that skit from Saturday Night Live?
You don't remember that?
Oh, you thought she actually said it?

This isn't directed at anyone here on this board since most here know Palin didn't say that, at least I hope they know, but there were many "Voters" who did think Palin actually said it.

Remember when Harry Reed said "Romney paid no taxes for ten years"?

Just another lie that when repeated enough it became true.

How about
"Read my lips, no new taxes"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

WMD's
Gulf of Tonkin

So many lies told and so many people believe them that lead to disaster.

"Jews are the enemy"
"Communism"

So many lies.

[GMDino]

(10-31-2015, 03:50 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Oh really?  Or is it just a Democratic tactic HuffPo hasn't made you aware of?  How would you even know the difference!?

What difference, at this point, does it make?!?

That's a lot of questions.  

Yes.

Its something I noticed over the last couple days.  This article was a good example.

Because I observe human behavior.

Not much, just thought it was interesting that instead of simply spinning and clarifying now its lie and attack anyone who calls you out and say they should talk about important things.

[JustWinBaby]

(10-31-2015, 11:48 AM)GMDino Wrote: Not much, just thought it was interesting that instead of simply spinning and clarifying now its lie and attack anyone who calls you out and say they should talk about important things.

Awwww, that's sweet.  Someday you'll mature to the point of asking that question of your own party.  Because I've noticed you just don't post this stuff about Democrats....in fact you pretty much do the opposite, straining to posts apologies.

[GMDino]

(11-01-2015, 04:57 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Awwww, that's sweet.  Someday you'll mature to the point of asking that question of your own party.  Because I've noticed you just don't post this stuff about Democrats....in fact you pretty much do the opposite, straining to posts apologies.

There are plenty on here who post about Democrats.  And I don't think its any secret I lean liberal, especially on social issues.

But in all your responses you have not addressed that fact that Fiona simply lies.  Clearly and without any other way of spinning it.  Do *you* perhaps need to mature?