Freedom Caucus

[Aquapod770]

(03-28-2017, 01:53 PM)xxlt Wrote: Simple: they are emblematic of every thing that is wrong with America and has been wrong with it for the past 50 years. Sadly, their ilk keeps gaining in strength. It is really simple. Look at America from 1970 to today. Would you say it has tracked up or tracked down for middle class families?

Yup! Freedom is everything that is wrong with America and has been wrong with it for the past 50 years. 

[Aquapod770]

(03-29-2017, 01:09 PM)xxlt Wrote: Yes, it will. It has for the last 50 years. Taxes are the cost of a civilization. Period. And good tax policy implements a progressive tax rate - those who benefit the most pay the most to sustain the system that is building their wealth, and all pay in proportion to their gains. I know, radical ideas - it's madness (that works in the world's most successful countries - look at Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Iceland, Canada, Germany, Japan etc. ...)

Dear god... 

The rich pay their fair share. The top 1% pay nearly half of all federal income taxes. Obama said so himself not too long ago.  

[Dill]

(03-28-2017, 12:12 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: At the state level, sure, maybe.  There is nothing in accordance with the Tenth Amendment allowing a federal takeover and control of medical services. Medical insurance should be no more complex than auto or life insurance.  These industries hold prices down and improve delivery by competition for business.  Medical care should be no different.

Whenever you write the word "public," mentally replace it with the word "government."  It's more accurate.

Clean air and water, national parks, interstate highways, street lights, lighthouses, public schools, the internet, and national defense are "government goods?

[Dill]

(03-29-2017, 10:41 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: Dear god... 

The rich pay their fair share. The top 1% pay nearly half of all federal income taxes. Obama said so himself not too long ago.  

 How much of the national wealth do they own?

[Dill]

(03-28-2017, 12:15 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, unfortunately, medical insurance is far more complicated right now than either of those two, and no plan that leaves it in the private market will make it less so.

There are also several arguments that can be made that Congress is granted the authority in Article 1, Section 8. I could even argue that there is a better argument for them to look at health care than there is for us to have a full-time, permanent army.

Good point.

[Vas Deferens]

(03-30-2017, 12:04 AM)Dill Wrote: Good point.

You mean the well being of their constituents is a more pressing issue than the manufacture and distribution of munitions in non-critical pseudo war theaters?

GTFO you commie bastard.

Can't wait for all these peoples grandchildren to look back on their dear elders internet handles on archive.org and realize they were racist war mingering pieces of shit that make McCarthy look sensible.

Better clear your browser history before you croak assholes.

[xxlt]

(03-30-2017, 12:01 AM)Dill Wrote:  How much of the national wealth do they own?

What's love got to do with it!

[xxlt]

(03-29-2017, 10:34 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: Yup! Freedom is everything that is wrong with America and has been wrong with it for the past 50 years. 

If your neighbor told you she had a new love machine and it wouldn't work for nobody but you and invited you over to try it out and it looked exactly like a machine gun in her hands, would you stand in front of her and say, "I am ready. Love me up with that machine of yours?"

See, one can call a bowl of dog shit Cream of Wheat, but it doesn't make it Cream of Wheat.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(03-29-2017, 11:47 PM)Dill Wrote: Clean air and water, national parks, interstate highways, street lights, lighthouses, public schools, the internet, and national defense are "government goods?

Environmental rules and government schools are state issues. This place was cleaner and our kids learned more long before the EPA and the Department of Education existed. I'm with Donald Trump big league on this item. Apply the principle of subsidiarity.

Interstate highways are a defense resource and are therefore federal. So is the DoD.

The internet is not a government issue even though Al Gore claims to have invented it. The Feds' only role here is to protect it as part of the Critical Infrastructure Key Resources -- but regulating its content is bad.

National parks are federal. So is the Department of Energy for obvious reasons.

[Belsnickel]

(03-30-2017, 07:40 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Environmental rules and government schools are state issues. This place was cleaner and our kids learned more long before the EPA and the Department of Education existed. I'm with Donald Trump big league on this item. Apply the principle of subsidiarity.

The air and water was cleaner before the industrial revolution, but without government efforts it would not be very clean today. Since the air and water sources don't stop at state boundaries it is a federal issue. As for the DoE, do you remember much about education prior to 1953? Sure, the DoE wasn't separated out until 1979, but education was a part of a federal department starting in 1953.

All of that being said, the DoE's main function is equity. The purpose is to ensure that all citizens have equal access to education. They don't create curriculum, Common Core doesn't belong to them. They set standards which, for the record, are a lot lower than other developed nations. A lot of blame is hefted on the DoE when in reality it's the lack of effort by the states themselves that is to blame for the falling education in this country. But because it is the big bad federal government people like to eat up the erroneous claims. I'm not saying the DoE is perfect in any sense of the word or that they don't shoulder some blame, but they aren't the reason education in this country sucks.

(03-30-2017, 07:40 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Interstate highways are a defense resource and are therefore federal. So is the DoD.

Don't disagree here. Also, interstate commerce.

(03-30-2017, 07:40 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The internet is not a government issue even though Al Gore claims to have invented it. The Feds' only role here is to protect it as part of the Critical Infrastructure Key Resources -- but regulating its content is bad.

I don't know of many people calling to regulate the content other than some fringe social conservatives afraid of teh pr0nz. Interestingly enough, the current government is going to be rolling back protections to the infrastructure. Key resources/infrastructure should be considered public goods.

(03-30-2017, 07:40 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: National parks are federal. So is the Department of Energy for obvious reasons.

Now, here is the fun part in all of this: why? Does the NPS not infringe upon the sovereignty of the states? Are the laws creating the parks not, essentially, a theft of state land for federal use? National Parks were created with the same logic of the EPA, that it is the role of the federal government to protect this nation's natural resources. If you disagree with the role of the EPA, which doesn't just protect our natural resources but our people, then the NPS which protects resources really just to maintain the beauty of our country as a treasure should also be questioned.

And why energy? Is it because a nuclear incident won't stop at a state line? I can tell you the answer to that is yes. That's why the ED is a federal level concern. But that's the same logic for the EPA to protect our clean air and water, so again we must ask that if we disagree with the role of the EPA mustn't we also disagree with the role of the ED?

Just some food for thought.

[Rotobeast]

(03-30-2017, 03:39 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Can't wait for all these peoples grandchildren to look back on their dear elders internet handles on archive.org and realize they were racist war mingering pieces of shit that make McCarthy look sensible.

Better clear your browser history before you croak assholes.

Me ?

Anyway, my internet handle is linked with and displayed with my actual name in many places.
I've had it since around 1985/6 and online since like 1994.(waaayyy before Rotoworld)

[Vas Deferens]

(03-30-2017, 07:54 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Me ?

Anyway, my internet handle is linked with and displayed with my actual name in many places.
I've had it since around 1985/6 and online since like 1994.(waaayyy before Rotoworld)

Definitely not you bud. Your grandkids will be proud as hell of you if they find all your dirty laundry or not. Hell, I still plan on creating a site based solely on your intel of how to pick the best packet of bacon. Think about that post monthly.

I was talking generally there. Could very well apply to some here that didnt know the importance of anonymity and/or personal data time bombs and key storage unfortunately. I honestly think it's a bigger concern than what some consider currently. You thought the explosion of genealogy on the web was big... wait for the next iteration. Whatever. Reap what you sow and whatnot.

[Rotobeast]

(03-30-2017, 10:47 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Definitely not you bud. Your grandkids will be proud as hell of you if they find all your dirty laundry or not. Hell, I still plan on creating a site based solely on your intel of how to pick the best packet of bacon. Think about that post monthly.

I was talking generally there. Could very well apply to some here that didnt know the importance of anonymity and/or personal data time bombs and key storage unfortunately. I honestly think it's a bigger concern than what some consider currently. You thought the explosion of genealogy on the web was big... wait for the next iteration. Whatever. Reap what you sow and whatnot.

Thanks, my friend !
Your kind words carry much weight.

I didn't think you were referring to me, but I tend to post when I'm dead tired and cannot sleep.

[Dill]

(03-30-2017, 07:40 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Environmental rules and government schools are state issues.  This place was cleaner and our kids learned more long before the EPA and the Department of Education existed.  I'm with Donald Trump big league on this item.  Apply the principle of subsidiarity.

Interstate highways are a defense resource and are therefore federal. So is the DoD.

The internet is not a government issue even though Al Gore claims to have invented it.  The Feds' only role here is to protect it as part of the Critical Infrastructure Key Resources -- but regulating its content is bad.

National parks are federal.  So is the Department of Energy for obvious reasons.

I am still not clear on what you are saying here. Are you saying none of the above-mentioned goods are "public"? Are you saying they are not "goods"?  To claim something is "federal" doesn't mean it is not a good or not public.

I think Bels answered you well enough regarding clean air and water before the EPA. But it's not clear that children "learned more" before the Department of Education existed. Surely public education is a public good, whether offered by the state or federal government.

Gore did not claim to invent the internet. But the US government can certainly claim that.

[fredtoast]

(03-29-2017, 10:41 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: Dear god... 

The rich pay their fair share. The top 1% pay nearly half of all federal income taxes.

The top 1% also control more wealth than the bottom 90%.

"Fair" is subjective.  There is a huge difference between making a person who does not make enough money to live on pay $1000 in taxes and making a billionaire pay $1000 in taxes.

[xxlt]

(03-30-2017, 10:47 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Definitely not you bud.   Your grandkids will be proud as hell of you if they find all your dirty laundry or not.   Hell, I still plan on creating a site based solely on your intel of how to pick the best packet of bacon.  Think about that post monthly.  

I was talking generally there.  Could very well apply to some here that didnt know the importance of anonymity and/or personal data time bombs and key storage unfortunately.  I honestly think it's a bigger concern than what some consider currently.  You thought the explosion of genealogy on the web was big...   wait for the next iteration.   Whatever. Reap what you sow and whatnot.

Is that a porn reference or a reference to actual bacon? I want to think, knowing the Beast as I do, it is the former, but knowing he is also the Bacon King of Coshocton, I realize it could be the latter. Either way, did you get this intel from a raspy voice in a garage and if so are you still protecting that source? Or is this something you can share with the class?

[Vas Deferens]

(04-01-2017, 11:42 AM)xxlt Wrote: Is that a porn reference or a reference to actual bacon? I want to think, knowing the Beast as I do, it is the former, but knowing he is also the Bacon King of Coshocton, I realize it could be the latter. Either way, did you get this intel from a raspy voice in a garage and if so are you still protecting that source? Or is this something you can share with the class?

(10-13-2015, 05:22 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: It depends on what cooking I'm doing.
If I want it just for bacon in it's own right, I look for the smaller (shorter in height of slice) bacon.
The smaller the belly, the less fat it contains, as it is younger.
The "taller" slices tend to be so because of extra fat content.
You can also look for a package that has a "V" line on top of the surface lean.
It shows you that it is the beginning of the pork belly and is where the CT muscle begins.

Now, if you want to wrap filets, go for the big fatty slices.
The larger slices with more fat holds more flavor and is optimal as a cooking ingredient.

I don't avoid any ingredients, but I do feel a bit concerned about some of the phosphates and nitrites.
We have a new Oscar Mayer Selects product that I really like.
It is uncured.
I'm also a big fan of our Butcher Thick Cut that is Applewood smoked.

Oh, always look at the back of the package.
There is a "window" to look at the representative slice.
It is usually a fair indicator as to how much fat is in the draft.
 

[Rotobeast]

Thank you...

Now, should I be as descriptive on my take of his innuendo ?


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[xxlt]

(04-01-2017, 12:29 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Thank you...

Now, should I be as descriptive on my take of his innuendo ?


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Am I reading too much into that one eyed, drooling emoji?

[Rotobeast]

(04-01-2017, 12:48 PM)xxlt Wrote: Am I reading too much into that one eyed, drooling emoji?

I knew you'd catch it.
You so get me.