Gas Attack In Syria

[*bfine32*]

(04-12-2018, 01:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Just like Trump predicted.

He claimed that he could say whatever he wanted to and his followers would blindly believe him even though he had said the exact opposit before.

Some people are willing to ignore anything and everything he ever said as long as he has an "R" beside his name.

Because I don't care what he twitted is 2013 that means I blindly believe him. I suppose that makes sense in Fred Logic. 

[fredtoast]

(04-12-2018, 05:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Because I don't care what he twitted is 2013 that means I blindly believe him. I suppose that makes sense in Fred Logic. 

How can you believe anything a person says when he constantly changes what he says?

"Yeah, I know that guy said he likes to rape children 5 years ago, but now he says he doesn't.  Since I don't care what he said five years ago I am going to hire him as my babysitter."

[HarleyDog]

(04-12-2018, 07:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: "Yeah, I know that guy said he likes to rape children 5 years ago, but now he says he doesn't.  Since I don't care what he said five years ago I am going to hire him as my babysitter."

Umm, yeah, he is your babysitter. LOLOL

[*bfine32*]

(04-12-2018, 07:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How can you believe anything a person says when he constantly changes what he says?

"Yeah, I know that guy said he likes to rape children 5 years ago, but now he says he doesn't.  Since I don't care what he said five years ago I am going to hire him as my babysitter."

I suppose that makes sense in Fred Logic. 

[Dill]

(04-12-2018, 07:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose that makes sense in Fred Logic. 

Makes sense in Dill logic too.

I find it hard to take seriously anyone who changes his mind constantly, especially on fundamental issues.

If I said Trump has to go one week, then next that he is the best president since Lincoln, and a week after that it's back to "Trump has to go," I think even Bfine logic would question what I say--especially if the flip flops seem only related to weekly polls on issues, or the last person I talked to.

[*bfine32*]

(04-12-2018, 07:55 PM)Dill Wrote: Makes sense in Dill logic too.

Oh, I have no doubt. 

[fredtoast]

(04-12-2018, 07:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose that makes sense in Fred Logic. 

Because Fred uses solid accepted logic.

I suppose you never heard the term "flip flop" used in a derogatory manner before, right?

[Dill]

(04-13-2018, 12:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Because Fred uses solid accepted logic.

I suppose you never heard the term "flip flop" used in a derogatory manner before, right?

He may be assuming that judgment of politicians should be based upon something other than logical consistency--like emotional identification with the leader or his cause, or his political position. That transcends day to day changes of tactical position.

So for Bfine there really is no flip flopping, so long as Trump still opposes Hillary and wants to build a wall, and as long has he irritates liberals.  But it is difficult for him to explain that POV in logical terms because it is not about logic. Still, he can sense when to defend Trump, if not how.

You are looking in the wrong place maybe if you think Trump's logical and factual inconsistencies are the issue.

[StLucieBengal]

(04-13-2018, 07:15 PM)Dill Wrote: He may be assuming that judgment of politicians should be based upon something other than logical consistency--like emotional identification with the leader or his cause, or his political position. That transcends day to day changes of tactical position.

So for Bfine there really is no flip flopping, so long as Trump still opposes Hillary and wants to build a wall, and as long has he irritates liberals.  But it is difficult for him to explain that POV in logical terms because it is not about logic. Still, he can sense when to defend Trump, if not how.

You are looking in the wrong place maybe if you think Trump's logical and factual inconsistencies are the issue.

This is over the top man. No one here is emotionally identified with Trump. Every conservative here knows there is good and bad and weird with the guy. The key is to ride the good, scold the bad, and try to avoid the weird.

I voted for trump because of his immigration and regulatory positions, I also knew we would get good justices. Most of his policies are too liberal for me but I try and give him the benefit of the doubt. Like on these tariffs for instance.

[Dill]

(04-13-2018, 07:36 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: This is over the top man.  No one here is emotionally identified with Trump.  Every conservative here knows there is good and bad and weird with the guy.  The key is to ride the good, scold the bad, and try to avoid the weird.  

I voted for trump because of his immigration and regulatory positions,  I also knew we would get good justices.  Most of his policies are too liberal for me but I try and give him the benefit of the doubt.  Like on these tariffs for instance.

I think one is.

I notice that the flip flopping that Fred references does not bother Trump supporters or defenders much.

Bfine does not identify as a Trump voter/supporter, but nevertheless feels a strong impulse to defend him against charges of factual and logical inconsistency.  He would not be doing that if he did not have some deep investment in what Trump stands for--or against.

When he supposes that it is simply "Trump hate" which drives Trump critique, he is separating himself from any kind of grounded, accountable, evidence-based analysis, substituting for that a field of emotional polarities operating regardless of empirical correction.  Hence the scorn in the previous posts for logical consistency and accountability.

Any one who voted for or currently defends Trump is doing more than just favoring one set of policies/interests over another. It is Trump's authoritarian style which his supporters support, his lack of empathy, his thumb-in-the-eye to U.S. tradition and morality, his flaunting of accountability, the permission he gives to scapegoating.  Defending him drags down standards of accountability across journalism, our legal system, and government. The standards HAVE to go down to maintain support for him and to create smoke around his behavior.

So you accept "the bad and the weird," and we have an emotionally unstable Commander-in-Chief more worried about his illegal payments to porn stars and Playmates than an impending military crisis. Ok, though, if you get a "good justice" via extra-legal maneuvering in Congress.

You are giving the guy far more than "benefit of the doubt." You are saying the degrading of public discourse and politics really doesn't matter if you get the few things you want.

[*michaelsean*]

Bombs away along with France and England.

[*bfine32*]

(04-13-2018, 12:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Because Fred uses solid accepted logic.

I suppose you never heard the term "flip flop" used in a derogatory manner before, right?

Yes "solid accepted logic" means that someone who has never been involved in politics thinking we should not invade Syria in 2013 is the same as someone saying they like to rape 5 year olds. 

At least Dill has your back, but I doubt ant rational folks do. 

[6andcounting]

We are back at "limited airstrikes with no boots on the ground"

[HarleyDog]

(04-13-2018, 10:22 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Bombs away along with France and England.

Listening to it myself. We had to do something.

[*bfine32*]

(04-13-2018, 10:22 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Bombs away along with France and England.

Seems like a good move collaborating with allies in a unified bombing, but I sure I'm missing something.  

[HarleyDog]

(04-13-2018, 10:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems like a good move collaborating with allies in a unified bombing, but I sure I'm missing something.  

Very pleased with my country tonight.

[*bfine32*]

(04-13-2018, 10:33 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Very pleased with my country tonight.

Brits and French talking tough. Trump could be rubbing off or they could be joining to coalition because they think he's a clueless clown.  

[BmorePat87]

Following a unified strike like they did with Libya is the best approach if you're going to attack someone.

[GMDino]

(04-13-2018, 10:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems like a good move collaborating with allies in a unified bombing, but I sure I'm missing something.  

Well you have your victim card showing so I guess you got it all. 

[NATI BENGALS]

Happy friday the 13th!!

Quick question. Do you lose the element of surprise if you tweet out DAYS in advance your intentions?