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Behind the Parkland shooter Rampage, Obama's School-Leniency Policy
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/28057/report-broward-county-schools-embraced-obama-ben-shapiro

Basically they had a chance to get Cruz on the books as a criminal but couldn’t because of this obama admin policy to not charge minorities. Instead they pushed healing circles instead of reporting to police.

Quote:REPORT: Broward County Schools Embraced Obama Policy To Avoid Arresting Criminal Students, Allowing Parkland Shooter To Slip Through Cracks
Ben ShapiroMarch 9, 2018
People are brought out of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School after a shooting at the school that reportedly killed and injured multiple people on February 14, 2018 in Parkland, Florida. Numerous law enforcement officials continue to investigate the
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According to Paul Sperry of RealClearInvestigations.com, the Parkland, Florida school shooter was able to escape scrutiny despite dozens of red flags, including dozens of reports to police and at least two reports to the FBI, thanks to Obama administration policy dedicated to preventing the arrest of troubled students. Sperry writes:

Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."

Sperry says that in 2013, the Broward County schools, at the behest of the Obama administration efforts to prevent too many students of color from ending up in jail for crimes committed on campus, had rewritten its disciplinary policies to make it nearly impossible to suspend, expel, or arrest students for behavioral problems including criminal activity.

Sperry reports:

Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie – a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department – signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, would now be disciplined through participation in “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises. Asserting that minority students, in particular, were treated unfairly by traditional approaches to school discipline, Runcie’s goal was to slash arrests and ensure that students, no matter how delinquent, graduated without criminal records.

One of the lead advocates for this program was Sheriff Scott Israel, the overt leftist who has shied away from responsibility and sought instead to blame the National Rifle Association. In November 2013, he reportedly signed an agreement that spelled out 13 crimes that could no longer be reported to the police. Sperry continues:

In just a few years, ethnically diverse Broward went from leading the state of Florida in student arrests to boasting one of its lowest school-related incarceration rates. Out-of-school suspensions and expulsions also plummeted. … The core of the approach is a program called PROMISE (Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Support & Education), which substitutes counseling for criminal detention for students who break the law.

The Sheriff’s Office is a partner in PROMISE.

Without an arrest record, the shooter could buy weapons. Without an arrest record, the police could not corroborate tips with past arrests or use those past arrests as the basis for parole violation, for example.

Sperry’s expose is devastating, and shows once again that ignoring crime does not make it go away — it just diffuses it, allowing it to metastasize.

Read the whole report here.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/02/28/obama_administration_school_discipline_policy_and_the_parkland_shooting.html

Quote:Behind Cruz's Florida Rampage, Obama's School-Leniency Policy
Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.

Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."

“He had a clean record, so alarm bells didn’t go off when they looked him up in the system,” veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. “He probably wouldn’t have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement."

Disclosures about the strategy add a central new element to the Parkland shooting story: It's not just one of official failings at many levels and of America's deep divide over guns, but also one of deliberate federal policy gone awry.

In 2013, the year before Cruz entered high school, the Broward County school system rewrote its discipline policy to make it much more difficult for administrators to suspend or expel problem students, or for campus police to arrest them for misdemeanors– including some of the crimes Cruz allegedly committed in the years and months leading up to the deadly Feb. 14 shooting at his Fort Lauderdale-area school.

The new policy resulted from an Obama administration effort begun in 2011 to keep students in school and improve racial outcomes (timeline here), and came against a backdrop of other efforts to rein in perceived excesses in "zero tolerance" discipline policies, including in Florida.

Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie – a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department – signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, would now be disciplined through participation in “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises.

Asserting that minority students, in particular, were treated unfairly by traditional approaches to school discipline, Runcie’s goal was to slash arrests and ensure that students, no matter how delinquent, graduated without criminal records.


The achievement gap "becomes intensified in the school-to-prison pipeline, where black males are disproportionately represented,” he said at the time. “We’re not going to continue to arrest our kids,” he added. “Once you have an arrest record, it becomes difficult to get scholarships, get a job, or go into the military."


Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel backed Runcie’s plan to diminish the authority of police in responding to campus crime. A November 2013 video shows him signing the district’s 16-page "collaborative agreement on school discipline,” which lists more than a dozen misdemeanors that can no longer be reported to police, along with five steps police must “exhaust” before even considering placing a student under arrest.

In just a few years, ethnically diverse Broward went from leading the state of Florida in student arrests to boasting one of its lowest school-related incarceration rates. Out-of-school suspensions and expulsions also plummeted.

Runcie had been working closely with Obama Education Secretary Arne Duncan on the reforms ever since landing the Broward job in 2011, using as a reference the name of the Cabinet secretary, his former boss in the Chicago school system.

Applications for federal grants reveal that Runcie’s plan factored into approval of tens of millions of dollars in federal funding from Duncan's department.

In January 2014, his department issued new discipline guidelines strongly recommending that the nation's schools use law enforcement measures and out-of-school suspensions as a last resort. Announced jointly by Duncan and then-Attorney General Eric Holder, the new procedures came as more than friendly guidance from Uncle Sam – they also came with threats of federal investigations and defunding for districts that refused to fully comply.

In 2015, the White House spotlighted Runcie's leading role in the effort during a summit called “Rethink School Discipline." Broward, the nation’s sixth largest school district, is one of 53 major districts across the country to adopt the federal guidelines, which remain in effect today due to administrative rules delaying a plan by the Trump administration to withdraw them.

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos’ office did not return phone calls and emails seeking comment. DeVos has called for congressional hearings on school shootings. “We have got to have an honest conversation,” she said.

"Broward County adopted a lenient disciplinary policy similar to those adopted by many other districts under pressure from the Obama administration to reduce racial ‘disparities’ in suspensions and expulsions,” said Peter Kirsanow, a black conservative on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in Washington. "In many of these districts, the drive to 'get our numbers right' has produced disastrous results, with startling increases in both the number and severity of disciplinary offenses, including assaults and beatings of teachers and students.”

For example, in St. Paul, Minn., a high school science teacher was “beaten and choked out” by a 16-year-old student, who allegedly came up behind him, called him a “f--king white cracker,” and put him in a stranglehold, before bashing his head into a concrete wall and pavement. The student, Fon’Tae O’Bannon, got 90 days of electronic home monitoring and anger management counseling for the December 2015 attack.

The instructor, John Ekblad, who has experienced short-term memory loss and hearing problems, blames the Obama-era discipline policies for emboldening criminal behavior, adding that school violence “is still rising out of control.”

In Oklahoma City, which softened student punishments in response to a federal race-bias complaint, “students are yelling, cursing, hitting and screaming at teachers, and nothing is being done,” an Oklahoma City public school teacher said. “These students know there is nothing a teacher can do.”

In Buffalo, New York, a teacher who got kicked in the head by a student said: “We have fights here almost every day. The kids walk around and say, ‘We can’t get suspended – we don’t care what you say.’ ”

Kirsanow said that in just the first year after the Obama administration issued its anti-discipline edict, public schools failed to expel more than 30,000 students who physically attacked teachers or staff across the country. Previously, “if you hit a teach, you’re gone,” he said, but that is no longer the case.

No district has taken this new approach further than Broward County. The core of the approach is a program called PROMISE (Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Support & Education), which substitutes counseling for criminal detention for students who break the law. According to the district website, the program is “designed to address the unique needs of students who have committed a behavioral infraction that would normally lead to a juvenile delinquency arrest and, therefore, entry into the juvenile justice system.”

The expressed goal of PROMISE is to bring about “reductions in external suspension, expulsions and arrests.” Delinquents who are diverted to the program are essentially absolved of responsibility for their actions. “This approach focuses on the situation as being the problem rather than the individual being the problem,” the website states.

Additional literature reveals that students referred to PROMISE for in-school misdemeanors – including assault, theft, vandalism, underage drinking and drug use – receive a controversial alternative punishment known as restorative justice.

“Rather than focusing on punishment, restorative justice seeks to repair the harm done,” the district explains. Indeed, it isn’t really punishment at all. It’s more like therapy. Delinquents gather in “healing circles” with counselors, and sometimes even the victims of their crime, and talk about their feelings and "root causes" of their anger.

Students who participate in the sessions and respond appropriately to difficult situations are rewarded by counselors with prizes called “choice rewards,” which they select in advance. Parents are asked to chip in money to help pay for the rewards.

Listed among the district’s “restorative justice partners” is the Broward Sheriff’s Office. Deputies and local police officers, as well as court officials, routinely attend meetings with PROMISE leaders, where they receive training in such emotional support programs.

The program also includes a separate juvenile “system of care,” rather than the regular court system, where delinquents and parents are counseled about the consequences of getting caught up in the criminal system.

Broward's launch of the new initiative synced up with a discipline policy shift advocated by the Justice Department. “A routine school disciplinary infraction should land a student in the principal’s office, not in a police precinct,” asserted Holder in January 2014.

At a press conference in 2015, Duncan described his “good friend” Runcie as courageous for implementing a “new system” to "keep kids in classrooms and out of courtrooms." “It’s difficult work,” the then-education secretary said, “challenging centuries of institutionalized racism and class inequality.”

Duncan noted that Runcie had partnered with a psychology professor, Phillip Atiba Goff, who has been working with both Broward educators and police officers to become more aware of their “implicit biases” toward minority children.

“Implicit bias exists in all of us,” Runcie said in late 2016, "and we have to be courageous enough to confront it if we are going to meet our goals.” District records reveal Runcie has been putting school leaders and school support personnel through intensive training in “implicit bias, black male success strategies [and] Courageous Conservations about Race."

Asked to explain the Broward discipline policies, Tracy Clark, the district's chief public information officer, issued this statement: "There are specific guidelines and School Board policies regarding the non-violent, misdemeanor types of infractions that are eligible for the PROMISE program. Please note that weapons infractions are not eligible for the PROMISE program. Through the PROMISE program, students receive behavioral supports, counseling and mentoring in an environment focused on helping them make better choices.”

However, a 210-page district report on “Eliminating the School to Prison Pipeline,” lists “assault/threat” and “fighting,” as well as “vandalism,” among “infractions aligned with participation in the PROMISE program," and it states that the recommended consequences for such misdemeanors are a “student essay," “counseling” and “restorative justice."

And the district’s legally written discipline policy also lists “assault without the use of a weapon” and “battery without serious bodily injury,” as well as “disorderly conduct,” as misdemeanors that "should not be reported to Law Enforcement Agencies or Broward District Schools Police.” This document also recommends “counseling” and “restorative justice."


Broward County Jail via AP
Nikolas Cruz’s rampage suggests the limits of this approach.

A repeat offender, Cruz benefited from the lax discipline policy, if not the counseling. Although he was disciplined for a string of offenses -- including assault, threatening teachers and carrying bullets in his backpack -- he was never taken into custody or even expelled. Instead, school authorities referred him to mandatory counseling or transferred him to alternative schools.

By avoiding a criminal record, Cruz passed a federal background check in February 2017 before purchasing the AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle investigators say was used in the mass shooting. Just one month earlier, he was disciplined with a one-day internal suspension for an “assault” at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and evaluated as a potential “threat." It was his second offense for fighting in less than four months, but campus police did not make an arrest in either case -- as they typically did for repeat offenders under the district’s prior zero-tolerance policies, a review of the official “discipline matrix” used last decade reveals.

The upshot was that the lack of an arrest record made it difficult for police to confirm that Cruz was a proven threat and to intervene when they received call-in tips and complaints from neighbors, classmates and relatives about his stockpiling of weapons and desire to kill people, law enforcement officials say.

A little more than a month before the Feb. 14 shooting, the FBI hotline received a tip about Cruz being a potential school gunman, but it failed to take action. If he had been previously arrested and booked for the on-campus misdemeanors, the FBI intake specialist handling the call would have seen his violent history in the federal National Crime Information Center database, which includes all state arrests, convictions, warrants and alerts.

“Once the agent, or any officer, entered his name in the NCIC system, his history would have been viewed,” Biasello said.

Though he said the call was “specific and urgent” enough to pass the information on to the bureau’s Miami field office, “the message might have been taken more seriously and escalated up the chain of command if the search turned up a police record."

Another tip from last September, warning the FBI that a "Nikolas Cruz" had boasted on YouTube he was “going to be a professional school shooter,” also fell through the cracks due to a paucity of information in the system. A spokesman for the Miami division explained that “the FBI conducted database reviews [and] checks but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comment.”

The Broward County Sheriff’s Office received at least 45 calls related to Cruz and his brother dating back to 2008 – including a February 2016 call from a neighbor warning he made a threat on Instagram to "shoot up" the high school, and another last November advising he was collecting guns and knives and appeared to be "a school shooter in the making." Though deputies visited Cruz at his home, they did not try to recover his weapons, despite requests from relatives who feared he planned to use them on his classmates.


Their inaction reflects the Broward department’s embrace of the school district’s approach to student crime. Even in response to a major crime scene, Sheriff Israel agreed to defer to school officials when “feasible” and employ “the least punitive means of discipline” against the perpetrators.

The Broward school board also revised agreements between the district and the school resource officers assigned by the sheriff to ensure that they no longer intervene in misdemeanor incidents to cut down on the number of “arrests for school-based behavior.” (The board also signed an agreement with Fort Lauderdale police to reduce officer involvement in such campus offenses.)

At the 2013 signing ceremony on school discipline, Sheriff Israel lauded the new goals. He vowed to “demolish” the pipeline allegedly funneling students to jail by changing the “culture" of school-related law enforcement.

“We’ve got to demolish this cycle from the schoolhouse to the jailhouse,” he said, echoing Runcie, who stood behind him. “Our kids need to be in schools, not jails.”

Added Israel: “At the Broward Sheriff’s Office, we’re changing. We’re changing the culture, and what we’re doing is we are gonna make obsolete the term ‘zero tolerance.’"

Yet even though Broward’s crusade has resulted in a more than 63 percent reduction in the annual rate of overall student arrests, Runcie has said he is not satisfied because the percentage of arrests of black students continues to be disproportionately high compared with whites.

So the superintendent has hired Goff, the racial bias expert, to conduct a study to get to the “root cause” of why arrests of blacks are still so stubbornly high.

Funded with an $800,000 grant, Goff’s researchers from the Center for Policing Equity in New York have been actively surveying district administrators and teachers, as well as student resource officers, to gauge their “implicit biases” in dealing with minority students who behave badly. That effort continues, a spokesman for Goff told RealClearInvestigations this week.

Timeline: Broward's School-Leniency Policy

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/03/02/broward_timeline.html

Quote:Timeline: The Making of School Leniency in Broward
Nikolas Cruz's Feb. 14 killings at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, happened under a policy of leniency prescribed by the Obama Administration to keep students in school and out of prison and thereby improve school racial outcomes. Here is a timeline. (Accompanying article here.)

2003: Arne Duncan, superintendent of Chicago public schools, hires fellow Harvard alumnus Robert W. Runcie to be his chief information officer. Runcie then becomes chief administrative officer and chief of staff to the board.

January 2009: Duncan is appointed Secretary of Education by President Obama.

May 2009: Florida reins in school "zero tolerance" policies, to exclude minor violations from offenses deemed reportable to law enforcement, such as drawing pictures of guns or throwing erasers. Republican Gov. Charlie Crist signs the measure unanimously passed by both chambers of the Republican-controlled Legislature.

July 2009: Duncan launches his “Race to the Top” competition for $4 billion in grants for public schools that conform to new standards and initiatives.

July 2011: Duncan (above right in file photo) and Attorney General Eric Holder (left) announce a joint initiative for “ending the school-to-prison pipeline.” They require that districts report data on discipline disparities by race, and sue major school districts including Oakland and Los Angeles to close racial gaps in suspensions and arrests. The new Supportive School Discipline Initiative is integrated into federal grant-making, including Race to the Top funding.

September 2011: Runcie leaves Chicago to become superintendent of Broward County Public Schools in Florida, using Duncan as a reference. He works closely with the Education Secretary on discipline reforms.

March 2012: The Education Department releases school suspensions data by district, showing Broward has one of biggest disparities: 59 percent of blacks suspended vs. 17 percent of whites.

July 2012: Obama signs an executive order to promote “a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools” and that helps African-Americans who "disproportionately experience school discipline.”

October 2012: Duncan's department awards Broward $48.5 million in Teacher Incentive Fund grants over five years.

November 2013: With the NAACP and law enforcement, Runcie signs the nation’s most comprehensive plan to reduce student suspensions and arrests to end the "school-to-prison pipeline.”

January 2014: Duncan and Holder issue a "Dear Colleague" letter to all school districts setting new national discipline guidelines calling for reductions in racial disparities in suspensions and arrests.

March 2014: Runcie hosts President Obama and Michelle Obama at a Broward high school.

2015: Duncan praises Runcie for reducing arrests. At various conferences on school discipline, Duncan holds Runcie's policy up as national model for slowing the school-to-prison pipeline.

2015: The White House hosts Runcie at a "Rethink School Discipline" summit.

October 2016: The Education Department awards Broward another $53.8 million in Teacher Incentive Fund money. Its application cited the district’s initiative to end the school-to-jailhouse pipeline.

2017: Although Nikolas Cruz was disciplined for a string of offenses -- including assault, threatening teachers and carrying bullets in his backpack -- he was never taken into custody or expelled. Instead, school authorities referred him to mandatory counseling or transferred him. By avoiding a criminal record, Cruz passed a federal background check in February 2017 before purchasing the AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle investigators say was used in the mass shooting.
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When I was growing up the police were never called for fights at school.

And despite any school policy the victim of an assault can still call the police.  In fact one of the stories mentions the Ekblad case from St. Paul where the student plead to a felony assault.

So I don't really know if the worst thing Cruz did at school rose to the level where the police should be called.  Sounds like Lucie wants the nanny state to step in every time to boys are "just being boys" and get into a tussle on the playground.

Finally, the school policy has nothing to do with all the times the police were called to his home or the times friends and relatives made complaints to the police.
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Obama didn't cause this. We have a very real problem in our schools backed by data that suggests that minority students, particularly black students, are given punishment more frequently and more severely for the same offenses that their other classmates commit. For example, my co-teacher (who holds an admin certification) will fill in for admins and help process referrals. She processed one where the same teacher wrote two girls up for the same offense on the same day. The white girl's parents were notified by the teacher and the offense was phrased in a more accidental way. The black girl's parents were not notified by the parent and the offense was phrased in a more deliberate way.

The Obama administration pushed jurisdictions to justify these discrepancies. Unfortunately, some jurisdictions decided to underreport or just not report problems instead of finding out why this inequality existed or training staff not to.

Restorative practices ("healing circles") are a great practice that many districts (mine included) are adopting. The idea is that, in addition to receiving a punishment, teachers, students, and other staff members engage in open conversations to help rehabilitate student offenders.

I know the idea of teaching students not to do bad things and helping them understand what is causing them to do it sounds like baloney, but it works.

Also, none of this would have prevented Broward from addressing the obvious concerns regarding Cruz.
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"PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!"


"Gun don't kill...people kill!"


...unless we can blame Obama.   Smirk
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Most people don't realize this, but even for the most severe crimes the juvenile justice system is geared toward counselling instead of just strict punishment. Even the youth that do something bad enough to get locked up are generally given indeterminate sentences which means they don't have a set length of incarceration. Instead they stay in custody until they cooperate and complete counselling programs.
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We talked about this in the thread on the shooting, originally. The policy, if it had been followed as the agreement was written, would have resulted in Cruz being charged and expelled. The failure was in the discretion of personnel in the application of the policy, not in the policy itself.
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I know his name is Cruz, but dude looked whiter than I.
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(05-07-2018, 12:09 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I know his name is Cruz, but dude looked whiter than I.

Interesting tidbit, Hispanic ethnicity is not considered its own race for our demographic purposes. This is why you will see "White (non-Hispanic)" and so forth. If they were broken out into their own racial category, there would no longer be a white majority in the country. There would still be a plurality, but not a majority.
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"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
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(05-07-2018, 12:09 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I know his name is Cruz, but dude looked whiter than I.

See: Cameron Diaz
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(05-07-2018, 11:03 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: https://www.dailywire.com/news/28057/report-broward-county-schools-embraced-obama-ben-shapiro

Basically they had a chance to get Cruz on the books as a criminal but couldn’t because of this obama admin policy to not charge minorities.  Instead they pushed healing circles instead of reporting to police.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/02/28/obama_administration_school_discipline_policy_and_the_parkland_shooting.html

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/03/02/broward_timeline.html


It's like Obama put a gun to the head of each and every one of those students.

Thanks Obama. So glad your bloody reign is over!!

Kudos to the Daily Wire for getting the truth out there.
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(05-07-2018, 11:20 AM)fredtoast Wrote: When I was growing up the police were never called for fights at school.

And despite any school policy the victim of an assault can still call the police.  In fact one of the stories mentions the Ekblad case from St. Paul where the student plead to a felony assault.

So I don't really know if the worst thing Cruz did at school rose to the level where the police should be called.  Sounds like Lucie wants the nanny state to step in every time to boys are "just being boys" and get into a tussle on the playground.

Finally, the school policy has nothing to do with all the times the police were called to his home or the times friends and relatives made complaints to the police.

Fights never got the police called for me either. But these days if you call someone ***** you get the police called and expelled for sensitivity nonsense.

I still believe if we just got rid of the no tolerance policies for fighting there would be less escalation. Also there would be less anonymous bullying, they would just do it to their face for more impact and wouldn’t have to be expelled. They would just get detention of Saturday school.

He brought bullets to school I believe, that should be a police call under their no tolerance policy, at the very least he should have been charged with that which would have limited his options
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(05-07-2018, 03:15 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: He brought bullets to school I believe,  that should be a police call under their no tolerance policy, at the very least he should have been charged with that which would have limited his options

It is all meaningless because he could have just bought the exact same gun from a private seller with no background check at all.

Any complaints about him not being on any "list" is just a red herring.  All of these lists are meaningless as long as guns can be transferred so easily with zero background checks.
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Its been a little while now, but didnt the FBI basically admit they didnt do nearly enough (as in not do anything) with the couple of tips they received about him?

I am all for better gun laws to keep them out of the hands of those that shouldnt have them, but it seems the Parkland tragedy wasnt a cut n dry case of one singular reason, whether its gun control or a policy.
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(05-07-2018, 03:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is all meaningless because he could have just bought the exact same gun from a private seller with no background check at all.

Any complaints about him not being on any "list" is just a red herring.  All of these lists are meaningless as long as guns can be transferred so easily with zero background checks.

It’s actually not meaningless. It just cuts the legs out from under our police and other law enforcement. Which is sad.

If politicians are upset by the number of minorities in prison then change the laws. CJ reform should be happening anyway. Not some bandaid From the obama dept of education.
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(05-07-2018, 04:10 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Its been a little while now, but didnt the FBI basically admit they didnt do nearly enough (as in not do anything) with the couple of tips they received about him?

I am all for better gun laws to keep them out of the hands of those that shouldnt have them, but it seems the Parkland tragedy wasnt a cut n dry case of one singular reason, whether its gun control or a policy.

What we have seen here is that policies weren't followed. This isn't uncommon, we want the people at the ground level to have flexibility when applying policies. Whether those be teachers, administrators, law enforcement, whomever, there should be an allowance for some discretion. Unfortunately, that discretion being utilized by multiple people in multiple agencies allowed this person to fall through the cracks. It's unfortunate, and it is bound to happen.
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(05-07-2018, 05:43 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What we have seen here is that policies weren't followed. This isn't uncommon, we want the people at the ground level to have flexibility when applying policies. Whether those be teachers, administrators, law enforcement, whomever, there should be an allowance for some discretion. Unfortunately, that discretion being utilized by multiple people in multiple agencies allowed this person to fall through the cracks. It's unfortunate, and it is bound to happen.

Clearly time to reopen the school to prison pipeline. 
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(05-07-2018, 05:55 PM)Dill Wrote: Clearly time to reopen the school to prison pipeline. 

Or just sensible criminal justice reforms.

And if you want minority’s to not be in prison as much then start promoting marriage in their community and raising their children. Children from fatherless homes are 20 times more likely to end up in prison.

It’s not just a legal issue.





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