German National News agenda set by the Government

[StLucieBengal]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/02/top-german-journalist-admits-live-on-air-national-news-agenda-set-by-government/

Quote:A retired media boss at a major German state broadcaster has admitted his network and others take orders from the government on what — and what not — to report.

National public service broadcaster Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen (ZDF), which was recently forced into a humiliating apology for their silence on migrant violence and sex assault is being drawn into a fresh scandal after one of their former bureau chiefs admitted the company takes orders from the government on what it reports. He said journalists received instructions to write news that would be “to Ms. Merkel’s liking”.

Former head of ZDF Bonn Dr. Wolfgang Herles make the remarks during a radio event (from minute 27) in Berlin where journalists discussed the media landscape. Moving on to the freedom of the press, the panel chair asked Dr. Herles whether things in Germany had got “seriously out of whack”. With an honesty perhaps unusual in Germany, Dr. Herles replied that ordinary Germans were totally losing faith in the media, something he called a “scandal”. He said:

“We have the problem that – now I’m mainly talking about the public [state] media – we have a closeness to the government. Not only because commentary is mainly in line with the grand coalition (CSU, CDU, and SPD), with the spectrum of opinion, but also because we are completely taken in by the agenda laid down by the political class”.

Worse than the mainstream, government controlled and poll-tax funded media in Germany just agreeing with the ruling coalition, the stations actually took orders on what was and was not to be reported on. He said:

“…the topics about which are reported are laid down by the government.

“There are many topics that would be more important than what the government wants. But they, of course, want to deflect attention away from what doesn’t happen. Yet what doesn’t happen is often more important than what does happen – more important than gesture politics”.

While these orders are sent to media companies from unspecified places in the government, they are communicated to individual journalists by news executives using a new-speak jargon. Dr. Herles explains that while “there are, in fact, instructions from above”, when the editor in chief of ZDF communicated these instructions to his juniors he would merely say reporting should be framed in a way that “serves Europe and the public good”.

There would be no need to add in brackets that this actually means it should be reported “to Ms. Merkel’s liking”, as they would be understood as the true meaning.

“Today, one is not allowed to say anything negative about the refugees” said Dr. Herles, concluding: “This is government journalism and that leads to a situation in which people no longer trust us. This is a scandal.”

There has been very little reporting of the comments in the German media, and what there was has been critical of the remarks. Focus reported the comments of one centre-left media figure, Der Freitag newspaper editor Jakob Augstein who when asked whether there had ever been such “instructions from above”, said: “No, I deny vehemently there has ever been commands from the top”.

That the German mainstream media is not free and routinely obscures or bends the truth has been a key criticism by the Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of Europe (PEGIDA) movement, which has coined phrases like Lügenpresse — the liar press — to express their frustration.

[Rotobeast]

(02-02-2016, 10:43 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/02/top-german-journalist-admits-live-on-air-national-news-agenda-set-by-government/

Newsflash..... Germany is not the only one.

[Brownshoe]

(02-02-2016, 11:02 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Newsflash..... Germany is not the only one.

Yeah, Sweden is having the same thing done right now.

[Belsnickel]

Eh, public television and radio. A drop in the bucket as far as German media is concerned. I always like the newspapers more, myself.

[Vlad]

(02-02-2016, 11:02 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Newsflash..... Germany is not the only one.

We have had that problem for years right here in America. The function of the mainstream media is to protect the democrat party by reporting only what they think you should hear.
That's why there are alternative news sources.

[StLucieBengal]

(02-02-2016, 11:58 PM)Vlad Wrote: We have had that problem for years right here in America. The function of the mainstream media is to protect the democrat party by reporting only what they think you should hear.
That's why there are alternative news sources.

Woodrow Wilson started using the media to manipulate his ideas. Another part of his great legacy .

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-03-2016, 12:59 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Woodrow Wilson started using the media to manipulate his ideas.   Another part of his great legacy .

He manipulated his own ideas?  What would be the point of that?

[fredtoast]

Total non-story.

There is absolutely nothing in this story that backs up the claim made bu Wolfgang.  He claims he was told to frame stories "in a way that serves Europe and the public good".  So if he thought it would serve the public good to talk about the refugee problem he was free to do that.

This is exactly like the people who hear Obama claim we need tougher gun laws and then claim he said he was going to take away everyone's guns. 

Plus hasn't there been a lot of news about the refugee problem broadcast in Germany?  Maybe if they could point out some specific stories that were banned then they would have a point.  BUt this one claim by itself is meaningless.

[Brownshoe]

(02-03-2016, 11:03 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Total non-story.

There is absolutely nothing in this story that backs up the claim made bu Wolfgang.  He claims he was told to frame stories "in a way that serves Europe and the public good".  So if he thought it would serve the public good to talk about the refugee problem he was free to do that.

This is exactly like the people who hear Obama claim we need tougher gun laws and then claim he said he was going to take away everyone's guns. 

Plus hasn't there been a lot of news about the refugee problem broadcast in Germany?  Maybe if they could point out some specific stories that were banned then they would have a point.  BUt this one claim by itself is meaningless.

There has been a lot more stories than that with the German media / police. Here's one for example

http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/13-year-old-school-girl-kidnapped-by-muslim-migrants-raped-for-30-hours.html/

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-35413134

The Russians seem to think that the Germans are covering it up too... but I don't know how credible that could be. Who knows about it though, because some sources say that there's no evidence, and others say there is.

There is also a similar thing happening in Sweden

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/12/swedish-police-confess-they-kept-quite-about-migrant-sex-mobs-media-knew-for-six-months-council-for-two-years/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

Now, are these all made up or not? Personally I don't know. It's something to keep an eye out for though.

[StLucieBengal]

(02-03-2016, 12:34 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: There has been a lot more stories than that with the German media / police. Here's one for example

http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/13-year-old-school-girl-kidnapped-by-muslim-migrants-raped-for-30-hours.html/

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-35413134

The Russians seem to think that the Germans are covering it up too... but I don't know how credible that could be. Who knows about it though, because some sources say that there's no evidence, and others say there is.

There is also a similar thing happening in Sweden

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/12/swedish-police-confess-they-kept-quite-about-migrant-sex-mobs-media-knew-for-six-months-council-for-two-years/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

Now, are these all made up or not? Personally I don't know. It's something to keep an eye out for though.

Thanks for posting. Lots to digest.

[fredtoast]

(02-03-2016, 12:34 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: There has been a lot more stories than that with the German media / police. Here's one for example

http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/13-year-old-school-girl-kidnapped-by-muslim-migrants-raped-for-30-hours.html/

Without more information this is another non-story

“After the police investigation, there was neither abduction nor rape. Further details are not disclosed to protect the personality. “ 

[fredtoast]

(02-03-2016, 12:34 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: There is also a similar thing happening in Sweden

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/

Funny how I never once saw anyone here ever post a story about German men raping anyone.



 Sweden’s largest tabloid, argued that it was racist to point out that the perpetrators in Cologne had been described as North African or Arab, since German men had carried out sexual assaults during Bavaria’s Oktober-fest. 

[Belsnickel]

It should be noted that the majority of media in Germany is not public media, and this is only talking about the public media holding back. There have been plenty of stories about these things in the other media outlets. The freedom of the press index for Germany is higher than the U.S. for a reason, their outlets don't get reigned in very often.

[Brownshoe]

(02-03-2016, 01:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Without more information this is another non-story

“After the police investigation, there was neither abduction nor rape. Further details are not disclosed to protect the personality. “ 

There is also this in that same article.The family now comes with a lawyer against these measures. There is a medical document confirming the rape.


Like I said... There's evidence for it, and evidence against it. If it's true that there's a medical document that confirms the rape, that looks really bad for the German government/police force. It makes you wonder why the Russians are so pissed about it too.

[fredtoast]

(02-03-2016, 02:10 PM)Brownshoe Wrote:  There is a medical document confirming the rape.

A medical document can rarely prove if sex was consensual.  

I actually believe police might try to keep quiet about the race or religion of perpetrators, but I just can not believe that they would allow these men to abduct and rape women without even charging them.

there is a HUGE difference between not releasing the race of a criminal and just letting a criminal walk because of his race.

[Brownshoe]

(02-03-2016, 01:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Funny how I never once saw anyone here ever post a story about German men raping anyone.



 Sweden’s largest tabloid, argued that it was racist to point out that the perpetrators in Cologne had been described as North African or Arab, since German men had carried out sexual assaults during Bavaria’s Oktober-fest. 

The reports that I read about that was that 99% of them was German men, and the rest was "described as north african or arab". 

Obviously there are Germen men who rape women (which is obviously repulsive), but if you look at the statistics since they started letting in refugees the crime rate has increased up to 65%
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260393/muslim-migrants-increase-crime-germany-65-daniel-greenfield
This was also before the cologne attacks too
It just makes you wonder

[Brownshoe]

(02-03-2016, 02:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: A medical document can rarely prove if sex was consensual.  

I actually believe police might try to keep quiet about the race or religion of perpetrators, but I just can not believe that they would allow these men to abduct and rape women without even charging them.

there is a HUGE difference between not releasing the race of a criminal and just letting a criminal walk because of his race.

Even if it was consensual it was a 13 year old girl... Which is still illegal.

[Belsnickel]

(02-03-2016, 02:16 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The reports that I read about that was that 99% of them was German men, and the rest was "described as north african or arab". 

Obviously there are Germen men who rape women (which is obviously repulsive), but if you look at the statistics since they started letting in refugees the crime rate has increased up to 65%
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260393/muslim-migrants-increase-crime-germany-65-daniel-greenfield
This was also before the cologne attacks too
It just makes you wonder

http://www.dw.com/en/immigrants-beyond-the-law/a-19021457

Quote:Statistics don't back the oft-repeated claim that crime is on the rise because of asylum seekers. Still, a small number of immigrants from the Balkans are causing problems for German police.

Same story in German if anyone feels like having soem fun with it: http://www.dw.com/de/zuwanderer-jenseits-des-gesetzes/a-19007539

[Brownshoe]

(02-03-2016, 02:38 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: http://www.dw.com/en/immigrants-beyond-the-law/a-19021457


Same story in German if anyone feels like having soem fun with it: http://www.dw.com/de/zuwanderer-jenseits-des-gesetzes/a-19007539

"It is a completely different story with immigrants from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia though. "Activity quotas" for North Africans are no less than 40 percent. Asylum seekers from Bosnia-Herzegovina and Montenegro register similar numbers. These groups are very often involved in crimes related to thefts from automobiles, shoplifting and robbery."

"Police in the northern German state of Schleswig-Holstein have amassed a different set of statistics, where home robberies in the state rose throughout the course of 2015. Police registered some 8,600 cases of breaking and entering there, 1,100 more than in the previous year.
"The numbers show that a few immigrants from the Balkans are in many ways responsible for the rise in the number of burglaries," says Schleswig-Holstein's interior minister, Stefan Studt. The police say that some 100 organized "gangs of thieves" embark on "robbery runs through cities and municipalities." They are well coordinated and are difficult to apprehend. Clearance rates are low, about 9 percent."

"By the end of November 2015, investigators had identified 221 persons of interest related to burglaries. 80 of these were classified as "immigration relevant," as they were either seeking asylum or refugee status. Among non-Germans, 135 persons hailed from the Balkans, 27 from other Eastern European countries. Albanians were often the focus of police investigations.
"All of the 11 gangs that we are investigating in Schleswig-Holstein are made up of asylum seekers from the Balkans," said a state criminal police (LKA) agent."

Interesting article. It seems like there still is a refugee problem, it's just coming from a specific area. This all seems to be a report from before the cologne attacks too, so I wonder if the stats have changed by now.

[Belsnickel]

(02-03-2016, 02:47 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Interesting article. It seems like there still is a refugee problem, it's just coming from a specific area. This all seems to be a report from before the cologne attacks too, so I wonder if the stats have changed by now.

We'll have to wait and see as the reports come out. This came across my news feed this morning (meaning I saw the DW tweet for it this morning on the John) and I thought it was interesting how the misconceptions have come to be. We do have to remember that there are a number of refugees from Turkey, a significant amount, that have been there for years and could be mistaken for Arab by some as well.

Die Lage ist sehr interessant.