Germans forced out of homes to make room for immigrants

[BmorePat87]

(10-23-2015, 10:22 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I am quite sure based on the fact it's being reported as news that she was not month to month.

Lol, get real.

But based on your response, you're cool with this if her lease allows it?

[StLucieBengal]

(10-23-2015, 04:20 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Lol, get real.

But based on your response, you're cool with this if her lease allows it?

So you would be OK if we toss out poor people in Baltimore out of their welfare funded homes/apartments to make way for Syrian refugees?

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(10-23-2015, 05:05 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So you would be OK if we toss out poor people in Baltimore out of their welfare funded homes/apartments to make way for Syrian refugees?

Aren't you the one in favor of lifetime limits on assistance?

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(10-20-2015, 04:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: No, I am not anti benefits.  Just think there needs to be a lifetime cap on everything.

Yep, you sure are in favor of limits.  So why are in in favor of limits in theory, but against limits in practice if the government were to actually limit the time families can receive "welfare funded homes/apartments"?

[StLucieBengal]

(10-23-2015, 07:04 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Yep, you sure are in favor of limits.  So why are in in favor of limits in theory, but against limits in practice if the government were to actually limit the time families can receive "welfare funded homes/apartments"?

Ofc I am in favor of limits. But that is not the world we live in today. Let me know when you want to start throwing poor people out on the streets. In favor of Middle East refugees.

This is precisely why I do not want to take any of these refugees . I am not willing to throw out American poor people for someone else's poor . But if you are ok with that then please explain.....

[BmorePat87]

(10-23-2015, 05:05 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So you would be OK if we toss out poor people in Baltimore out of their welfare funded homes/apartments to make way for Syrian refugees?

If landlords legally ended a contract, I would have no argument against what they did. 

Libertarian tend to respect contracts. 

[fredtoast]

(10-23-2015, 07:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Ofc I am in favor of limits.   But that is not the world we live in today.   Let me know when you want to start throwing poor people out on the streets.    In favor of Middle East refugees.  

This is precisely why I do not want to take any of these refugees .  I am not willing to throw out American poor people for someone else's poor .  But if you are ok with that then please explain.....

This lady in Germany was not poor.  She can get another apartment.  If she doesn't like living in a place that provides housing for refugees then she should be moving to a different location anyway.  Isn't that your answer to everything?  If you disagree with something just move away. 

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(10-23-2015, 07:14 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Ofc I am in favor of limits.   But that is not the world we live in today.   Let me know when you want to start throwing poor people out on the streets.    In favor of Middle East refugees.  

This is precisely why I do not want to take any of these refugees .  I am not willing to throw out American poor people for someone else's poor .  But if you are ok with that then please explain.....

Apparently, in Germany they do have limits on government assistance.  So you are in favor of a world in which the government kicks poor people out into the street once the reach the limit of their assistance.  How very Christian of you.

[StLucieBengal]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world/europe/anti-immigrant-refugees-violence-in-germany.html?referer=&_r=0

Quote:A mock gallows appeared at an anti-immigrant rally last week, with labels indicating the nooses were intended for Ms. Merkel and her deputy, Sigmar Gabriel, leader of the Social Democrats. On Wednesday, the police reported that a mock gallows was erected last weekend some 400 yards from a migrant shelter near Magdeburg.

The actions and words have set off a level of concern that was not evident in Germany a year ago when a small but vocal anti-immigrant movement took hold in Dresden. At the time, the government appeared anxious not to draw attention to the group by discussing its activities, while pro-immigrant forces also turned out in force to counter the anti-immigrant sentiment.

But in the months since, more episodes of violence against migrants and migrant shelters have been reported in Germany than in any other European country — 400, or more than one attack a day on migrant shelters so far this year — with many occurring before tens of thousands of people from the Middle East and Africa began flooding in through Bavaria this summer.

The human wave, which could amount to a million newcomers this year, has taxed resources and the patience of many Germans, who are expressing growing anxiety over immigration policies, according to public opinion polls.

Many politicians are wondering how to accommodate the arrivals as they run out of buildings, temporary shelters and even beds. A letter signed by 215 mayors in North Rhine-Westphalia on Wednesday asked Ms. Merkel and the state governor, Hannelore Kraft, for help and said even the supply of tents was almost exhausted.

At the same time, Europe has failed to reach a common solution to stem or control the flow of people to the Continent. On Wednesday, the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, summoned leaders from Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Romania, Serbia and Slovenia to a meeting on Sunday to address the continuing flow of people through the Balkans, as temperatures drop and accommodations along the migrant trail through that region remain inadequate.

In Germany, the stabbing last Saturday of Henriette Reker, 58, a senior official responsible for welfare and thus migrants in Cologne, stunned Germans. Ms. Reker was stabbed several times in the neck during her last day of campaigning to become mayor of Germany’s fourth-largest city, and four other people were wounded.

Her assailant, a 44-year-old man, was identified by the police as someone with a far-right background. On Monday the federal prosecutor’s office, which took over the case, said that the accused “wanted to send a signal about what he sees as the ever increasing number of refugees admitted to the country.”

Within hours, politicians from all over the state, Germany’s most populous, held a vigil near Cologne’s cathedral. “We are showing that democracy stands together, across party lines,” said Ms. Kraft, the governor. “And that we do not permit violence to take effect.”

Officials drew a straight line between hateful language and violence.

“In Cologne, somebody felt called upon to do exactly what he gets to read every day” on social media, said Armin Laschet, a leader of Ms. Merkel’s Christian Democrats in North Rhine-Westphalia, where Cologne is.

The federal interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, on national television on Sunday called for Germans to spurn extremists spreading “poison” in the country. Justice Minister Heiko Maas has called on all Democrats to stick together.

But on Monday in Dresden, some 20,000 Germans rallied for Pegida, the anti-immigration, anti-Muslim group that emerged there a year ago. Its marches eventually attracted 25,000 people last winter before the group faded amid personal quarrels and unease at Hitler poses and anti-foreigner language on the web from the movement’s founder, Lutz Bachmann.

With the migrant crisis, however, the movement has garnered fresh attention, even if its appeal remains largely limited to Dresden and surrounding parts of rural Saxony. Defying Mr. de Maizière’s and the chancellor’s warnings to stay away, supporters flocked under heavy police presence on Monday evening to the city’s Theatre Square.

Mr. Bachmann told the crowd, “We came to stay, and we will stay to win.”

Even Mr. Bachmann, however, intervened and disowned a Turkish-German writer’s speech on his website, after the writer launched an attack on establishment politics. The writer, Akif Pirincci, asserted that the government wanted German critics of its migrant policy to leave the country, to which the crowd chanted, “Resistance, resistance!”

His speech was hard to understand as words echoed off darkened buildings around the square, but the German news media quoted the author as saying that, for the government, “there are of course other alternatives” to get rid of critics. He then was reported to have added: “Unfortunately, the concentration camps are closed right now.”

The authorities are investigating whether Mr. Pirincci is liable to hate-speech charges.

An estimated 15,000 Pegida opponents turned out in Dresden on Monday. Only the presence of almost 2,000 police officers from six German states prevented major clashes between the two groups.

Mr. Schuster, the leader of the Council of Jews, did not refer explicitly to Mr. Pirincci when in Thursday’s editions of the Berlin newspaper Tagesspiegel he appealed to the German authorities “to exhaust all legal possibilities to prevent rallies where calls to violence are issued.”

The attack on Ms. Reker showed, he added, “where all this can lead.”

Ms. Reker, an independent candidate backed by the Christian Democrats and two other parties, won Sunday’s mayoral election and the authorities said she would most likely make a full recovery.

But reports that her attacker had ties to the far right in Bonn in the 1990s raised fresh doubts about the vigilance of Germany’s security services when it comes to right-wing extremism.

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(10-25-2015, 03:47 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world/europe/anti-immigrant-refugees-violence-in-germany.html?referer=&_r=0

Don't know why these people are all protesting.  

They should just move someplace where everyone agrees with them.

[StLucieBengal]

(10-25-2015, 04:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Don't know why these people are all protesting.  

They should just move someplace where everyone agrees with them.

They are in the majority.   Which is why they should close European borders to these migrants.

They shouldn't be in Europe anyway. Why aren't they in Saudi Arabia or other middle eastern countries. Go to Iran..... Heck even Qatar .... Clock boy seems to be a big fan.

[fredtoast]

(10-25-2015, 04:08 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They are in the majority.  

No they are not.

If they were then they would elect officials that would do what they want.

[StLucieBengal]

(10-25-2015, 04:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No they are not.

If they were then they would elect officials that would do what they want.

Oh its coming. france will be the first to elect an anti immigrant president. But the rest of Europe is an anti immigrant powder keg ready to pop.

[fredtoast]

(10-25-2015, 04:27 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Oh its coming.   france will be the first to elect an anti immigrant president.   But the rest of Europe is an anti immigrant powder keg ready to pop.

You may be correct.  They have a serious problem all across Europe.  No country is exactly flush with cash to handle the extra demands.  And there has been a strain of anti-muslim feelings across Europe for at least 30 years.  I went to college with a girl whose mother was from France.  Although the mom was fairly liberal on many positions she was convinced that the Muslim immigrants to France back then were "ruining the country".  Although I have never looked up the numbers I don't assume there was a massive influx of Muslims into France in the 70's and '80's.

So it is a powder keg.  It will be interesting to see which side prevails.

But if the anti-immigration groups can not get their way through popular vote then do you think they will riot?  

Would you support their decision to riot and protest or would you advise them to all move to another place where everyone agrees with them?

[StLucieBengal]

(10-25-2015, 10:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You may be correct.  They have a serious problem all across Europe.  No country is exactly flush with cash to handle the extra demands.  And there has been a strain of anti-muslim feelings across Europe for at least 30 years.  I went to college with a girl whose mother was from France.  Although the mom was fairly liberal on many positions she was convinced that the Muslim immigrants to France back then were "ruining the country".  Although I have never looked up the numbers I don't assume there was a massive influx of Muslims into France in the 70's and '80's.

So it is a powder keg.  It will be interesting to see which side prevails.

But if the anti-immigration groups can not get their way through popular vote then do you think they will riot?  

Would you support their decision to riot and protest or would you advise them to all move to another place where everyone agrees with them?

I have been keeping an eye on the political situation in France. I think Le Pen will be right there. Right now the Pro Muslim citizens do not out number the anti immigrant/Muslim groups. And the third factor is the anti EU group who will go with front national (anti immigrant party) because they are the only ones who want to leave the EU and go back on their own currency. This is a bigger issue for the French people than immigration.

Now as I see anti immigrant groups popping up all over Europe and growing it's a troubling sign. I like the idea of breaking up the EU. Because I believe each nation should control themselves. European socialism is failing and will die when the EU falls. German EU reps are pushing for an EU army. For each nation to basically put all their military's into one. This notion has been shot down by the Brits who said they will leave if that's the case.

Also a large group in the UK who wants to have a ref. On EU membership . Supposedly coming in 2017.

[fredtoast]

(10-26-2015, 12:28 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote:   I like the idea of breaking up the EU.  Because I believe each nation should control themselves.     European socialism is failing and will die when the EU falls. 

No one forced countries to join form the EU.  They agreed to do it.  Who are you to tell them how they should run their countries. 

(10-26-2015, 12:28 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: European socialism is failing and will die when the EU falls. 

European socialism is not failing and the EU is not breaking up.

[StLucieBengal]

(10-26-2015, 08:03 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No one forced countries to join form the EU.  They agreed to do it.  Who are you to tell them how they should run their countries. 


European socialism is not failing and the EU is not breaking up.

European socialism can not survive with a massive influx of poor people. Not when they are pushed to the edge by bailing out failing nations already. The only way to preserve it is to close all borders. Send the people back to the boats.

[StLucieBengal]

Also this was a very informative debate on EU membership for the Brits.   Mind you that Cameron won because he promised a ref.  On the EU.

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