Hispanic Woman Cannot Join Congressional Hispanic Caucus

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

The title rather says it all, Mayra Flores, who is the first woman born in Mexico to serve in Congress was denied membership on the Hispanic Congressional Caucus. Not a good look for a caucus that was originally bipartisan. But, it's their choice, so fine. What should absolutely be required is that their name be changed immediately to the Democratic Hispanic Congressional Caucus. I guess the reality of Hispanics tracking GOP (something I said several years ago would happen) isn't sitting well with the Dems. As I said, it's their right to deny her membership, but damn if it doesn't make them look petty and bigoted.

https://thehill.com/latino/3707920-texas-republican-says-she-was-denied-membership-in-hispanic-caucus/

[Belsnickel]

I'm just against caucuses in general. But that's me.

[*Nately120*]

I read this as Congressional Hispanic Circus.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-27-2022, 08:36 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm just against caucuses in general. But that's me.

I would tend to agree.  That being said, what's happening here is clearly wrong.

(10-27-2022, 08:56 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I read this as Congressional Hispanic Circus.

That's because you're clearly a racist.  

[GMDino]

(10-27-2022, 07:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The title rather says it all, Mayra Flores, who is the first woman born in Mexico to serve in Congress was denied membership on the Hispanic Congressional Caucus.  Not a good look for a caucus that was originally bipartisan.  But, it's their choice, so fine.  What should absolutely be required is that their name be changed immediately to the Democratic Hispanic Congressional Caucus.  I guess the reality of Hispanics tracking GOP (something I said several years ago would happen) isn't sitting well with the Dems.  As I said, it's their right to deny her membership, but damn if it doesn't make them look petty and bigoted.

https://thehill.com/latino/3707920-texas-republican-says-she-was-denied-membership-in-hispanic-caucus/

Quote:Sebastian Roa, a spokesman for the CHC, responded that the CHC’s bylaws have been changed to only allow Democrats. 


“In 2003, led by Rep. [Mario] Diaz Balart, GOP Members split from the CHC to form the Congressional Hispanic Conference. Per our bylaws, the CHC is now for Democratic Members.

Rep. Flores’ Extreme MAGA values and their attacks on Latinos and our nation’s democracy on January 6 do not align with CHC values.” 


The CHC’s bylaws changed after another Republican, former Florida Rep. Carlos Curbelo, applied for membership to the group in 2017 and was rejected. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Hispanic_Conference

Quote:In the mid to late 1990s, the Republican members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus – Mexican-American Henry Bonilla of Texas and Cuban-Americans Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Lincoln Díaz-Balart of Florida – left the Caucus in protest over its support for improved relations with Cuba.[4] While Ros-Lehtinen remained an active member of the CHC's public outreach arm, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute, the Caucus has since been composed solely of Democratic and Democratic-caucusing independent legislators.[5][6]

Feeling there was "significant need" for a "new Hispanic conference" newly elected Florida congressman Mario Díaz-Balart began to organize in 2002 a caucus for Hispanic Republicans to counter what they felt was Democratic dominance over Hispanic political affairs. On March 17, 2003, Díaz-Balart revealed the formation of the Conference in an open letter published in The Wall Street Journal.[2] Joined by Bonilla, Ros-Lehtinen, his brother Lincoln, and newly elected colleague Devin Nunes, a California congressman of Portuguese (Azorean) descent, Díaz-Balart decried what he perceived as Hispanic Democratic efforts to derail the nomination of Estrada, a selection seen by some at the time as a possible fast track to the U.S. Supreme Court.[4][7] The group was officially announced at a press conference two days later. They were soon joined by two more Portuguese American congressmen, Richard Pombo of California and Patrick Toomey of Pennsylvania.[8]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Hispanic_Conference#cite_note-8][/url]


https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/HAIC/Historical-Essays/Strength-Numbers/Caucus-Conference/

Quote:Congressional Hispanic Conference

For much of its history, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has had a greater number of Democrats than Republicans. Manuel Luján, Jr., of New Mexico, who was the caucus’s longest-serving Republican Member, found common ground with Democrats blocking immigration reform measures such as the Simpson–Mazzoli bill. As the numbers of Republican caucus members grew (Henry Bonilla, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, and Lincoln Diaz-Balart), the decision to let Members vote individually kept partisan tensions to a minimum.


Bipartisanship dissolved in the Hispanic Caucus in the late 1990s, eventually precipitating a formal split between Democrats and Republicans. In 1997, two Democratic members of the caucus visited Cuba and met with Fidel Castro. In protest of the visit and of the absence of criticism of repressive aspects of the Castro regime, two Republican caucus members—both Cuban Americans from South Florida—announced their departure from the group.68 From 1997 to 2003, Hispanic-American Republicans did not participate in the caucus, and a second episode led to the creation of a separate group entirely. In 2003, the Hispanic Caucus opposed President George W. Bush’s nomination of Miguel Estrada to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia because of Estrada’s record and perceived lack of sensitivity toward minority communities. The caucus also objected to Estrada’s nomination partly because the appeals judgeship was regarded as a stepping stone to the U.S. Supreme Court.69 Hispanic Republicans, who believed that the caucus’s animus toward Estrada resulted from political partisanship, formed the Congressional Hispanic Conference.70

[*Nately120*]

(10-27-2022, 09:07 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That's because you're clearly a racist.  

Well, while we're being racist let me ask if you think the Hispanic trend towards the GOP is a general thing or do you think it's more of a confounding/short-term variable given Trump's level of support from groups that tend towards lessened levels of higher education?

Hispanics within the USA have the lowest level of education by ethnicity, but the GOP may have made more inroads with that demographic that go beyond Trump.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-27-2022, 09:15 PM)GMDino Wrote:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Hispanic_Conference

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Hispanic_Conference#cite_note-8][/url]


https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/HAIC/Historical-Essays/Strength-Numbers/Caucus-Conference/

I always appreciate you making my point for me.  If it's only for Democrats then it shouldn't be called the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.  I know Democrats feel entitled to the votes of non-White people (also racist), but this deliberate mislabeling is not a good look.  Hispanics don't belong to the Democratic party, much as they apparently wish otherwise.

[StoneTheCrow]

(10-27-2022, 09:18 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well, while we're being racist let me ask if you think the Hispanic trend towards the GOP is a general thing or do you think it's more of a confounding/short-term variable given Trump's level of support from groups that tend towards lessened levels of higher education?

Hispanics within the USA have the lowest level of education by ethnicity, but the GOP may have made more inroads with that demographic that go beyond Trump.

“These ***** people keep calling us Latinx and breakfast tacos.”

Edit: Also, has anything of note been going on in districts like Flores’ in recent history?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-27-2022, 09:18 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well, while we're being racist let me ask if you think the Hispanic trend towards the GOP is a general thing or do you think it's more of a confounding/short-term variable given Trump's level of support from groups that tend towards lessened levels of higher education?

Hispanics within the USA have the lowest level of education by ethnicity, but the GOP may have made more inroads with that demographic that go beyond Trump.

My friend, if you were talking to a current day liberal this post would have melted their mind and had them calling Al Sharpton on you.  But, I completely understand what you're asking and will answer honestly.  I've pointed out for years, well before 2016, that it was inevitable that Hispanics would start to trend GOP if the Dems continued their leftward shift.  Now, I would point out that Hispanics only accurately describes Spanish speaking people, so it technically includes Spaniards as well (as an aside there was a hilarious take from some Twitter/TikTok idiot that white people were not allowed to speak Spanish because it's not "their language"), so this omits some people most would consider part of that category, e.g. Brazilians and people from Belize.

That being said there are several, general, character traits that tend to apply to Hispanic families that don't mesh especially well with the current Dem positions.  They tend to abhor socialism/communism, as the country their family fled to come to the US was either heavily one or the other, or they have relatives who suffered under such regimes.  They tend to be more religious than the US as a whole, and within that trend Catholic.  Hence abortion is an issue in which they are firmly in the GOP zone.  They also tend to be traditionalists with a strong sense of family, which fits nicely with conservative "family values".  

An absolutely huge one, and the cause of the current acceleration of Hispanic GOP support IMO, is they also tend to come from areas that were highly corrupt and in which criminals tended to act with impunity.  In this area especially the Dems are going to hemorrhage Hispanic voters in the next decade or so.  The damage done to the criminal justice system, and law enforcement, by Dem overreactions and, in some cases open disdain for both, is going to make Hispanics trend more and more towards the GOP.  Of course, that assumes something doesn't happen to radically change that, but that's always a consideration.

Quite literally, the only Dem issue in which there is solid Hispanic support is immigration.  Even on this issue there are sizeable numbers of Hispanics that are much more vehemently against illegal immigration than White people or other ethnic groups.  I know hundreds of Hispanic people very well and they trend anti-illegal immigration about 80-20% against.

So, the more extreme the Dems get on the above issues the more they are going to lose Hispanic support, and in a two party system that support really only has one outlet destination.  While the above issues start to dilute the further away you get from the first generation immigrant they will remain strong enough to not significantly alter what I'm claiming.

Full disclosure, I am not Hispanic and would never claim to speak for that group.  But I have conversations with Hispanic people almost every day, I've learned a ton about Central and Southern American cultures, and what most people know about them in this country is a tiny fraction of what there is to know.  My predictions on Hispanic political leanings have been rather solid to date and I see nothing to indicate that is about to change.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-27-2022, 09:40 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: “These ***** people keep calling us Latinx and breakfast tacos.”

I totally forgot about Latinx.  Largely because the vast majority of Hispanics I know have never even heard the term.  Yes, that's true in Los Angeles.  The ones who have, or I've explained what it is to them, find it insulting to stupid.  The vast majority think it's a white liberal attempt to bastardize their culture.  Overall, it's a definite negative for Hispanics that I've talked to.

[*Nately120*]

(10-27-2022, 09:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: My friend, if you were talking to a current day liberal this post would have melted their mind and had them calling Al Sharpton on you.  But, I completely understand what you're asking and will answer honestly.  I've pointed out for years, well before 2016, that it was inevitable that Hispanics would start to trend GOP if the Dems continued their leftward shift.  Now, I would point out that Hispanics only accurately describes Spanish speaking people, so it technically includes Spaniards as well (as an aside there was a hilarious take from some Twitter/TikTok idiot that white people were not allowed to speak Spanish because it's not "their language"), so this omits some people most would consider part of that category, e.g. Brazilians and people from Belize.

That being said there are several, general, character traits that tend to apply to Hispanic families that don't mesh especially well with the current Dem positions.  They tend to abhor socialism/communism, as the country their family fled to come to the US was either heavily one or the other, or they have relatives who suffered under such regimes.  They tend to be more religious than the US as a whole, and within that trend Catholic.  Hence abortion is an issue in which they are firmly in the GOP zone.  They also tend to be traditionalists with a strong sense of family, which fits nicely with conservative "family values".  

An absolutely huge one, and the cause of the current acceleration of Hispanic GOP support IMO, is they also tend to come from areas that were highly corrupt and in which criminals tended to act with impunity.  In this area especially the Dems are going to hemorrhage Hispanic voters in the next decade or so.  The damage done to the criminal justice system, and law enforcement, by Dem overreactions and, in some cases open disdain for both, is going to make Hispanics trend more and more towards the GOP.  Of course, that assumes something doesn't happen to radically change that, but that's always a consideration.

Quite literally, the only Dem issue in which there is solid Hispanic support is immigration.  Even on this issue there are sizeable numbers of Hispanics that are much more vehemently against illegal immigration than White people or other ethnic groups.  I know hundreds of Hispanic people very well and they trend anti-illegal immigration about 80-20% against.

So, the more extreme the Dems get on the above issues the more they are going to lose Hispanic support, and in a two party system that support really only has one outlet destination.  While the above issues start to dilute the further away you get from the first generation immigrant they will remain strong enough to not significantly alter what I'm claiming.

Full disclosure, I am not Hispanic and would never claim to speak for that group.  But I have conversations with Hispanic people almost every day, I've learned a ton about Central and Southern American cultures, and what most people know about them in this country is a tiny fraction of what there is to know.  My predictions on Hispanic political leanings have been rather solid to date and I see nothing to indicate that is about to change.

Thanks for the info.  Makes sense they find that GOP façade of Christianity, family values, law and order, and capitalism for all/anyone can make it appealing. 

I'll double down on the internet racism and say their absurd fertility rate combined with our country trending towards outlawing abortion will have this country "pressing 2 for espanol" for ever more!  Take THAT, conservatives!

[StoneTheCrow]

(10-27-2022, 09:58 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Thanks for the info.  Makes sense they find that GOP façade of Christianity, family values, law and order, and capitalism for all/anyone can make it appealing. 

I'll double down on the internet racism and say their absurd fertility rate combined with our country trending towards outlawing abortion will have this country "pressing 2 for espanol" for ever more!  Take THAT, conservatives!

It’ll be “press 2 for English”. Equidad.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-27-2022, 09:58 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Thanks for the info.  Makes sense they find that GOP façade of Christianity, family values, law and order, and capitalism for all/anyone can make it appealing.

Eh, that's a rather disingenuous take on my post.  While you are free to claim the GOP only pays lip service to the topics I listed, the fact remains they are far more in sync with Hispanics on those issues that Dems, who clearly pay lip service to issues as well. 

Quote:I'll double down on the internet racism and say their absurd fertility rate combined with our country trending towards outlawing abortion will have this country "pressing 2 for espanol" for ever more!  Take THAT, conservatives!

Dude, I've lived in Southern California since 1986, you're talking decades ago for me.  Luckily, I'm not a racist and want everyone who wants to legally become a US citizen and join the cause to be able to do so.  Plus Hispanic women are hot as hell and I've dated more than my share of them. 

[*Nately120*]

(10-27-2022, 10:09 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: It’ll be “press 2 for English”. Equidad.

They WILL replace us!

Maybe the democrats can court the vote of people who fear whites becoming the minority now.

(10-27-2022, 10:12 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Eh, that's a rather disingenuous take on my post.  While you are free to claim the GOP only pays lip service to the topics I listed, the fact remains they are far more in sync with Hispanics on those issues that Dems, who clearly pay lip service to issues as well. 


Dude, I've lived in Southern California since 1986, you're talking decades ago for me.  Luckily, I'm not a racist and want everyone who wants to legally become a US citizen and join the cause to be able to do so.  Plus Hispanic women are hot as hell and I've dated more than my share of them. 

I never said they should be voting D, I said that the current GOP's brand of BS should be right up their alley and admitting that it does seem to go beyond Trump.  So yes, I admitted you had a point but I did so in a manner which trashes my least favorite political party...I'm a petty person. You could be racist and say I'm a standard mediocre white male with a fragile ego.

I will admit I got a laugh at that second part, because I know you don't mean it this way BUT "I'm not a racist, I've boinked hispanic chicks" is an amusing statement.  I'm not sure I ever checked them off my list in the halcyon days when I was youthful and semi-desirable.  Side note, Indian chicks are pretty wacky in bed in my experience. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-27-2022, 10:13 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I never said they should be voting D, I said that the current GOP's brand of BS should be right up their alley and admitting that it does seem to go beyond Trump.  So yes, I admitted you had a point but I did so in a manner which trashes my least favorite political party...I'm a petty person.  You could be racist and say I'm a standard mediocre white male with a fragile ego.

Fair enough.  As I stated, I "know" you well and your intentions, so I didn't take it as a negative.  my comment was more for people reading who wouldn't be so familar.  Admittedly not a large audience at this point. 

Quote:I will admit I got a laugh at that second part, because I know you don't mean it this way BUT "I'm not a racist, I've boinked hispanic chicks" is an amusing statement.  I'm not sure I ever checked them off my list in the halcyon days when I was youthful and semi-desirable.  Side note, Indian chicks are pretty wacky in bed in my experience. 

Nah, what I said was "I'm not racist AND I dig me some Hispanic chicks".  Not the same thing.

As for Indian woman, never had the pleasure myself, and I will sadly report that most of my experiences with them, especially an ex-land lord, were not good.  But that's obviously not an indictment or description of Indian women as a whole.  Seriously though, that land lord is probably the most vile human being I have ever dealt with, and I may include people I've dealt with professionally in that mix.

[*Nately120*]

(10-27-2022, 10:31 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As for Indian woman, never had the pleasure myself, and I will sadly report that most of my experiences with them, especially an ex-land lord, were not good.  But that's obviously not an indictment or description of Indian women as a whole.  Seriously though, that land lord is probably the most vile human being I have ever dealt with, and I may include people I've dealt with professionally in that mix.

Should have tried to pay your rent with the milk of human kindness, or something.  Sounds scintillating. 

[StoneTheCrow]

(10-27-2022, 10:13 PM)Nately120 Wrote: They WILL replace us!

What if, wait a minute, they ARE us? Uh oh.

[NATI BENGALS]

Well imo every Qanon spewing member of our government should sit in the corner with a dunce cap on until their term is over. If I was a leader of a cool kids club Mayra wouldn’t be invited to my club either.

[StoneTheCrow]

(10-27-2022, 10:57 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Well imo every Qanon spewing member of our government should sit in the corner with a dunce cap on until their term is over. If I was a leader of a cool kids club Mayra wouldn’t be invited to my club either.

SMH where has inclusivity gone amongst the progressive contingent?

[*Nately120*]

(10-27-2022, 11:04 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: SMH where has inclusivity gone amongst the progressive contingent?

They're all too busy sex trafficking and eating children to be inclusive these days, from what I understand.