(05-30-2017, 11:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: My apologies if my casting you as on the "right" was incorrect. Nonetheless your statement that " That's no longer a political party. You are ***** ISIS! I just described ISIS to a tee while describing liberals actions lately. Shit is getting scary that this is becoming more and more accepted in this society. " is just that...hyperbole.
One D list celebrity does not represent the entire party. And beyond that only the most fringe members would say anything good about such a display. Heck most of the "lefites" (or ISIS members) not only said this was awful but refused to share the image or story for just that reason.
To bolded, that is true. However, these increasingly outrageous displays are continuing. Are you going to make an exception for every idiot that does something rash, in the name of denouncing Trump?
So much for the Party that once championed the quote "Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country".
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(05-30-2017, 11:37 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To bolded, that is true. However, these increasingly outrageous displays are continuing. Are you going to make an exception for every idiot that does something rash, in the name of denouncing Trump?
Will there be a sliding scale?
I do have a life beyond these boards and politics so I may not be able to personally denounce each and every act that is deemed outrageous.
For example there is a show on Comedy Central called (I think) The Presidential show with some guy impersonating the POTUS (poorly). I have never watched it, only seen ads for it, so I don't know if they cross the line.
Is portraying Bannon as Death on SNL outrageous?
What the OP posted was awful and crossed every line and should be denounced by all sane people.
Just like past attempts at humor or political statements that crossed line (such as a faux lynching) should be denounced by sane people.
Edit: Let me add that people like Griffin must not realize that incredibly dumb and horribly poor taste stunts like that simply feed the other side's belief that "everyone" on the other side is crazy.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(05-30-2017, 11:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: Will there be a sliding scale?
As you apparently already have one, yes.
Quote:I do have a life beyond these boards and politics so I may not be able to personally denounce each and every act that is deemed outrageous.
That's cool, we'll settle for the ones brought up on this board.
Quote:For example there is a show on Comedy Central called (I think) The Presidential show with some guy impersonating the POTUS (poorly). I have never watched it, only seen ads for it, so I don't know if they cross the line.
Then why bring it up? No one else did.
Quote:Is portraying Bannon as Death on SNL outrageous?
Hmm, is satirizing someone the same as holding up a mock up of their bloody head? Lemme give this some thought.
Quote:What the OP posted was awful and crossed every line and should be denounced by all sane people.
The same thing as stating you thought about blowing up the White House?
Quote:Just like past attempts at humor or political statements that crossed line (such as a faux lynching) should be denounced by sane people.
C'mon kid, give us an example or two going the other way.
(05-30-2017, 11:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: I do have a life beyond these boards and politics so I may not be able to personally denounce each and every act that is deemed outrageous.
Plus it would put you on the side of conservatives.
(05-30-2017, 11:34 PM)Benton Wrote: One thing I have a hard time understanding is the commonplace extremism. I get it when people are really disenfranchised, but I'm kind of surprised how many people in the last decade or so have given themselves over to some extrmeism.
In all seriousness, I think a lot of people in this country feel disenfranchised. I'm not just talking about sour grapes over the Electoral College situation, but how many people feel like their elected officials represent them? Left or right, there are a lot of people that feel like they are being left out of the conversation and that number continues to grow.
Now, here is something that may surprise people on here, given that I am essentially a communist to some on the boards, the violent left doesn't surprise me for these very reasons. I have talked on here before about the neo-liberal movement and how that has moved the Democrats to the right. That has put folks on the left in the position of having no viable representation. It's why they latched onto Bernie so much. Social democratic policies are gone in our government when they used to be the standard for the Democrats thanks to FDR. Now, I;m not a democratic socialist like Bernie claims to be (there are differences), but even I feel like there is a lack of politicians representing my views which were, at one time, what the Democratic party was all about. So when you go even further out on the left it isn't surprising that anyone feels disenfranchised.
I can't explain much at all about the far-right, I don't know what is going on there when they get violent.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
Ted Nugent constantly called for Obama's death and was invited to the White House by Trump.
There are trashy people on both sides that do awful things, mostly for attention. Just don't embarrass yourself by falling into the trap where you try to pretend like only one side does.
(05-30-2017, 10:46 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Strange, they're going to all this shock value theatrics, yet nobody is paying much attention.. Democrat Party is so disconnected from reality, yet alone average society, that they don't even realize they are dying.
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(05-31-2017, 09:16 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Ted Nugent constantly called for Obama's death and was invited to the White House by Trump.
There are trashy people on both sides that do awful things, mostly for attention. Just don't embarrass yourself by falling into the trap where you try to pretend like only one side does.
(05-31-2017, 09:08 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: In all seriousness, I think a lot of people in this country feel disenfranchised. I'm not just talking about sour grapes over the Electoral College situation, but how many people feel like their elected officials represent them? Left or right, there are a lot of people that feel like they are being left out of the conversation and that number continues to grow.
Now, here is something that may surprise people on here, given that I am essentially a communist to some on the boards, the violent left doesn't surprise me for these very reasons. I have talked on here before about the neo-liberal movement and how that has moved the Democrats to the right. That has put folks on the left in the position of having no viable representation. It's why they latched onto Bernie so much. Social democratic policies are gone in our government when they used to be the standard for the Democrats thanks to FDR. Now, I;m not a democratic socialist like Bernie claims to be (there are differences), but even I feel like there is a lack of politicians representing my views which were, at one time, what the Democratic party was all about. So when you go even further out on the left it isn't surprising that anyone feels disenfranchised.
I can't explain much at all about the far-right, I don't know what is going on there when they get violent.
The more extreme ones seem to have a sense that you have to threaten to show your strength.
They didn't like Obama because he talked to much and didn't do anything. He went on an "apology tour" versus taking on the "European elites" like Trump did.
Personally I don't get it, but I never did get the guys that had to prove they had the biggest swinging appendage in the room.
And frankly listening to some right wing sources over the last week I think they feel that ANYONE who disagrees with them or doesn't want to fight them is an "elite."
Again, those seem to the more extreme...but they are the loudest.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
I don't condone this picture. It was in bad taste, it wasn't funny in any way, and it contributes to the extremist mentalities running rampant in the country.
(05-31-2017, 09:52 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: I don't condone this picture. It was in bad taste, it wasn't funny in any way, and it contributes to the extremist mentalities running rampant in the country.
It is a two-way street, however.
And we could go on and on with a tit-for-tat exchange on what is "outrageous" or what is in bad taste or did what to who.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(05-30-2017, 10:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The mere fact that these outbursts keep happening, and the Party they "represent" doesn't stamp it out, says plenty..
so why isnt the right doing anything about these white nationalists on their side committing crimes?
(05-31-2017, 10:05 AM)Griever Wrote: so why isnt the right doing anything about these white nationalists on their side committing crimes?
Odd, all I have been seeing on the news since the election are groups of extremists on the Left, rioting and being violent toward anyone that opposes them.
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