Holy ********* Crazy

[Vas Deferens]

(06-01-2017, 12:35 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I do see the hypocrisy you speak of.

Never saw any of these 'republicans' speaking out against the racist Obama shit the dumb**** in charge now was spewing. But that's the problem when you try to reach down and explain correlation to the absolute base of intelligence. They respect and elevate the opinion of celebrity.

[xxlt]

(05-31-2017, 02:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Interesting, so you're saying that Libertarians are the next closest thing to Facists?

Please, do explain...

I'm not saying it. Every political scientist is. I arbitrarily pulled the chart I posted from about 500 with the exact same information displayed left to right. It was in this secret part of the internet called a Google image search.


But seriously, I know, I know, every one who is a political scientist - they are all wrong, and you are right!

Please, do explain...

[xxlt]

(05-31-2017, 03:34 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: This is a one dimensional graph, which would only make sense in representation of desired government spending on social programs. Libertarians are diametrically opposed to Authoritarianism, which is what I feel would take the spot of the mistakenly placed Libertarianism, if this chart were to represent a more generalized view. As far as the social programs, Libertarians would much rather attempt to fix the problem causing a need, rather than continually toss tax payer money at it. (Cause taxation is theft)

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the knowledge that Libertarians are far more "left" on the Social Acceptance scale than conservatives. So I feel that a more generalized graph would place us between moderate and conservative.

Shout out to Dill for the fair statement regarding the vast array of thought within the Libertarian Party.

FWIW...I'm currently lobbying for even more inclusion and advanced cooperation with other parties. 

We need to get shit done, before the bubble pops.

I've seen visual displays and read articles emphasizing the anarchic bent in some libertarian ideology. And, you are right, this chart does not emphasize anarchy vs authoritarian rule. But I have never, repeat never, seen an essay on politics or a graph drawn by anyone who knows anything about politics put the libertarian party anywhere other than where it is on the chart I posted. It was rather funny that one poster thought I made it up as a clever way to call him a name. It seems more likely he heard someone called a name and thought it sounded cool and said, I shall call myself that. It is sort of like a guy who wanted to be called Chevrolet or Max Power because they sound cool - but he doesn't really know what they mean. Since he doesn't know what it means, or a what another name means, he is offended when he sees the two words next to each other. And this is what passes for political analysis in America. No wonder we have the stellar elected government we do.

[Belsnickel]

(06-01-2017, 07:21 AM)xxlt Wrote: I'm not saying it. Every political scientist is. I arbitrarily pulled the chart I posted from about 500 with the exact same information displayed left to right. It was in this secret part of the internet called a Google image search.

But seriously, I know, I know, every one who is a political scientist - they are all wrong, and you are right!

Please, do explain...

Seriously, you know we see eye-to-eye a lot, but I don't know any political scientists that would say that. And I know quite a few, and just about all of them are liberal. The chart, and those like it, are too one-dimensional to show the real relationship between libertarianism and fascism. But I don't think any of thrm would approve of a 1D representation of the political spectrum at all, either.

[BmorePat87]

(05-31-2017, 10:26 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Once every two weeks someone puts a thread up that isn't about the Trump admin or family.  Relax.

Are you suggesting criticism of policy and practices is equivalent to death threats and racism? I think Trump has it easy.

[Rotobeast]

(06-01-2017, 07:37 AM)xxlt Wrote: I've seen visual displays and read articles emphasizing the anarchic bent in some libertarian ideology. And, you are right, this chart does not emphasize anarchy vs authoritarian rule. But I have never, repeat never, seen an essay on politics or a graph drawn by anyone who knows anything about politics put the libertarian party anywhere other than where it is on the chart I posted. It was rather funny that one poster thought I made it up as a clever way to call him a name. It seems more likely he heard someone called a name and thought it sounded cool and said, I shall call myself that. It is sort of like a guy who wanted to be called Chevrolet or Max Power because they sound cool - but he doesn't really know what they mean. Since he doesn't know what it means, or a what another name means, he is offended when he sees the two words next to each other. And this is what passes for political analysis in America. No wonder we have the stellar elected government we do.

Soooo.... what would make Libertarians closer to Facists, than Conservatives ? We want freedom and equality for everyone. We do not attempt to force religious ideals upon people, like a subsect of conservatives.

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[Vlad]

(05-31-2017, 10:42 AM)xxlt Wrote: C'mon man. Let's get real. I mean this is unprecedented. Never in the history of the US has something like this happened.

I mean, I have scoured the internet, and I had to go all the way back to the previous president before I found anything even remotely like this single image from Griffin. Take a look (NSFW):

https://www.google.com/search?q=Images+of+Obama+lynched&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO66vMoJrUAhUB5SYKHSUyCbUQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=651

You have to admit it. The Democrats, represented by their leader Kathy Griffin, have made their abject hatred for America known, It is on record. And not one single person in America who is white and/or Republican (or Independent, because, yeah...) has ever done anything even remotely like this!

Your kidding,  you're going with "hanging in effigy"? ....done so often to everyone from presidents, politicians, college presidents, athletes...you can call it an American tradition. Who do you put hanging Rodger Goodell on, conservatives or lefties?

Try this:
Google Images "kill Bush"
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#tbm=isch&q=kill+bush&spf=1496315775395

Now Google Images "kill Obama"
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#tbm=isch&q=kill+obama&spf=1496315775397

Now Google "Obama is a monkey"

https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#tbm=isch&q=obama+is+a+monkey&spf=1496315775401

Now Google Images "Bush is a monkey"
Bush doesn't even get a break there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#spf=1496315775399

Cut the denial, and just admit the most vile and violent resides on the left with you.

[GMDino]

(06-01-2017, 08:55 AM)Vlad Wrote: Your kidding,  you're going with "hanging in effigy"? ....done so often to everyone from presidents, politicians, college presidents, athletes...you can call it an American tradition.

Try this:
Google Images "kill Bush"
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#tbm=isch&q=kill+bush&spf=1496315775395

Now Google Images "kill Obama"
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#tbm=isch&q=kill+obama&spf=1496315775397

Now Google "Obama is a monkey"

https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#tbm=isch&q=obama+is+a+monkey&spf=1496315775401

Now Google Images "Bush is a monkey"
Bush doesn't even get a break there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+is+a+monkey&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq_urNwpzUAhUrw4MKHUu7BiIQ_AUIBigB&biw=1188&bih=441#spf=1496315775399

Cut the denial, and just admit the most vile and violent make their homes on the left.

Yeah I see these "Bush was called a monkey" comparisons a lot.  Words have different meanings.  Bush had big ears and stammered a lot.  Obama was black.  I'm sure *some* people thought Obama looked like a monkey because of his ears, but it's harder to avoid the racial tone of the word "monkey" (fair or not) when using toward a black person.  Smart people would avoid that.

Other than that I'd add that anyone that calls for killing anyone is a loser.

[Vas Deferens]

Vlad. How many algo iterations did google push through during the bush presidency?

[*michaelsean*]

(06-01-2017, 07:51 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Are you suggesting criticism of policy and practices is equivalent to death threats and racism? I think Trump has it easy.

Like the Melania one?  No I'm saying don't get all excited because someone has called out a liberal.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/193051919260979201

I haven't seen this many snowflakes since the Blizzard of '78.

[*michaelsean*]

(05-31-2017, 05:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm in no more of a minority than most people. Most people's views aren't being represented by the people running for office, they just vote party lines without realizing that what they are voting for doesn't really jive with their views. What I am in favor of isn't socialism. On the global scale it is a center-left ideology and one that FDR espoused. So it's far from unrealistic.


Most people don't even know these things. How many people can tell you our population has tripled in a century and that the number of representatives has remained the same? How many people can actually tell you how the POTUS was originally elected and the original purpose of the Electoral College? How many people don't realize they really aren't party members and that our political parties aren't int he business of policy? It's not that people don't think it's broken, it's that they don't care enough to look up and see what's in front of their face.

I'm not saying you are a socialist, I'm saying there are true socialists and true fascists, and they are never going to have anyone to vote for and I'm fine with that.  You don't have your FDR style guy to vote for now, but at some time maybe you will if that's what people decide they want.  From what I recall you didn't have anyone to vote for in your more libertarian days.  That may be getting a push now.

The fact that people don't know those things may be sad, but it's not for a select few to decide for them that things aren't right.  You can try to educate them.  They may learn it all and still not care, and that's their choice.  I would start with pushing an amendment to increase number of reps.  I don't think many would find that unthinkable or offensive.  

[Belsnickel]

(06-01-2017, 11:08 AM)michaelsean Wrote: The fact that people don't know those things may be sad, but it's not for a select few to decide for them that things aren't right.  You can try to educate them.  They may learn it all and still not care, and that's their choice.  I would start with pushing an amendment to increase number of reps.  I don't think many would find that unthinkable or offensive.  

I don't think it should be up to a select few, I am for educating people so they recognize this issue. The change has to be democratic or it will never work. There are people trying to do just that right now, organizations devoted to this sort of thing. But, they are constantly being fought against by the political parties. In this game, money wins, and I'll let you guess who has more money.

[BmorePat87]

(06-01-2017, 10:25 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Like the Melania one?  No I'm saying don't get all excited because someone has called out a liberal.

It was suppose to be tongue in cheek. Don't worry, I'm not getting worked up over people feigning outrage at a comedian past her prime. 

[*michaelsean*]

(06-01-2017, 11:13 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't think it should be up to a select few, I am for educating people so they recognize this issue. The change has to be democratic or it will never work. There are people trying to do just that right now, organizations devoted to this sort of thing. But, they are constantly being fought against by the political parties. In this game, money wins, and I'll let you guess who has more money.

I have no issue with trying to educate people, or trying through the democratic process to have anything heard.  Even FDR nonsense. 

[Belsnickel]

(06-01-2017, 11:36 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I have no issue with trying to educate people, or trying through the democratic process to have anything heard.  Even FDR nonsense. 

I know! What did New Deal policies ever do for you!?

[*michaelsean*]

(06-01-2017, 11:40 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I know! What did New Deal policies ever do for you!?

They take 7% of my paycheck so I got that.  The SEC and the FDIC I suppose.

[Belsnickel]

(06-01-2017, 11:50 AM)michaelsean Wrote: They take 7% of my paycheck so I got that.  The SEC and the FDIC I suppose.

Most people don't realize how many things around them were products of the New Deal. I have family in a town that was created from New Deal policies in SW PA. Skyline Drive, which brings in tons of tourist money for us here, was a New Deal project. It's fun to research this stuff.

[GMDino]

(06-01-2017, 11:54 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Most people don't realize how many things around them were products of the New Deal. I have family in a town that was created from New Deal policies in SW PA. Skyline Drive, which brings in tons of tourist money for us here, was a New Deal project. It's fun to research this stuff.

I know some people who are part of the Norvelt Historical society but I've never toured there myself.

[CageTheBengal]

Obviously it was in poor taste but the examples of the right doing the same thing to Obama and the response is telling.

Hypocrites.