How do you know who is the "Good guy" with the gun?

[GMDino]

https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-state-shooting-victim-jason-erik-washington/#.Wzft0hQrfjV.facebook

Quote:Man Killed By Armed PSU Officers Had Valid Concealed Carry Permit

Jason Erik Washington, the man killed by armed Portland State University officers early Friday morning, had a valid concealed carry permit at the time of his death.

Two of Washington’s colleagues and at least one witness say Washington, 45, was black.

Keyaira Smith, a witness who took video of the moments leading up to Washington’s death, told OPB that he was “trying to be a good Samaritan” by breaking up a fight.

Video footage shows what appears to be a black object attached to Washington’s right side as he’s seen pulling one man off another. Two PSU police officers can also be seen.

“The gun slipped out of the holster when he had fallen, and I think he may have tried to retrieve it,” Smith said. “Then they said ‘gun.’”

That’s when police fired, she said.

Sgt. Brent Laizure, a spokesman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, confirmed that Washington had a valid concealed carry permit.

Washington was a Navy veteran and an employee with the United States Postal Service since 1998. He worked with the collections unit as a letter carrier at the main office in downtown Portland, where he also served as the union shop steward.

Washington was married with three kids and one grandchild.

“He loved those kids, he was crazy about them,” said David Norton, president of the National Association of Letter Carriers, Branch 82. Norton knew Washington for seven years.

“He was a big personality. He always had a lot to say. He kind of had a larger-than-life personality. He was always very animated and exuberant. And if you ever worked with the guy or knew the guy, you would never forget him.”

Norton said Washington was with co-workers the day he was shot.

PSU officials are already preparing to defend the university against a lawsuit. Leaders convened a closed-to-the-public executive session Friday afternoon to discuss potential litigation. The session came even as leaders knew little about the victim, other than that he likely wasn’t a PSU student.

Multiple agencies, including the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office and the Portland Police Bureau Homicide Detail, are conducting an investigation into the incident. PSU and PPB have not officially identified Washington or provided many details about the incident.

University President Rahmat Shoureshi said he’s asked the university’s Campus Public Safety Chief to conduct an internal assessment and evaluation of the incident.

RELATED COVERAGE

Fatal Shooting Renews Call To Disarm PSU Police

The Portland State University Student Union is calling on the University to disarm campus officers with a rally scheduled for Sunday — the three-year anniversary of when the university first armed Campus Public Safety Officers.

The university’s board of trustees cast a controversial vote in 2014 to employ sworn armed police officers on campus.

“Everyone who has expressed dissent over the years to the armament of CPSO and creation of a police force knew that one day this decision would result in deadly violence, and we know that it will continue to happen so long as campus security remain a deputized and armed police force,” PSUSU wrote on its Facebook page.
“There’s no way around it – this is how policing works.”

[Au165]

You don't, and you can't really. This has been one of the biggest concerns of officers I have talked to through work when discussing the idea of putting teachers with guns in schools. In the event of an active shooter they'll enter the building but now they also must determine who is a good guy with a gun and who is bad which many worry may be difficult in high stress situations. As one officer described to me, you come down a hallway and you see a person firing into an area you can't see what they are shooting at, do you shoot that person before they notice you? Do you make a verbal command and risk them turning and shooting at you?

[GMDino]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/07/31/police-fatally-shoot-colorado-man-who-killed-home-intruder/870416002/

Quote:Police fatally shoot Colorado man in his own home, moments after he killed an intruder


A Colorado man — who had just killed a home intruder moments before — was fatally shot by police after he was mistaken for a burglar.

According to police in Aurora, Colo., officers responded to a call on Monday from a woman who said a man was breaking into her house.

Described by police as a "very chaotic and violent scene," officers heard gunshots fired from inside the home before encountering an armed man.

The man was shot and taken to the hospital where he later died of his injuries.

Upon further investigation, Aurora police learned the armed man lived at the house, and had just shot and killed an intruder before encountering officers.

"This is a very heartbreaking and tragic situation for everyone involved," said Nick Metz, police chief with the Aurora Police Department, in a statement. "We are providing assistance through our victim advocates to help the family of the deceased resident through this very difficult time."

An injured juvenile was also found near the scene of the intruder's shooting, and taken to a local hospital for serious but not life-threatening injuries.

The officer involved has been placed on administrative reassignment with pay, said the department, who is working jointly with the Denver Police Department on an investigation.

So sad.

[*PhilHos*]

(07-03-2018, 06:38 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-state-shooting-victim-jason-erik-washington/#.Wzft0hQrfjV.facebook

Quote:Two of Washington’s colleagues and at least one witness say Washington, 45, was black.

Really? They had to ask the colleagues and witnesses to find out what race this guy was? Seriously?

And does it even matter? Either the shooting was justified or it was not. 

[GMDino]

(07-31-2018, 02:23 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Really? They had to ask the colleagues and witnesses to find out what race this guy was? Seriously?

And does it even matter? Either the shooting was justified or it was not. 

Just adds to the statistics I suppose.

[fredtoast]

"Kill them all. God knows his own."

[Bengalzona]

It's very simple. If you shoot them, then they are the bad guy.

Get with the program, dude!

[*bfine32*]

(07-31-2018, 02:23 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Really? They had to ask the colleagues and witnesses to find out what race this guy was? Seriously?

And does it even matter? Either the shooting was justified or it was not. 

The bigger question is: Did he identify as being a black person. 

[GMDino]

(07-31-2018, 10:00 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: It's very simple. If you shoot them, then they are the bad guy.

Get with the program, dude!

I believe someone did say once that if the decision was made t shoot it must have been the right decision at the time so we cannot question it.  

[Bengalzona]

(07-31-2018, 11:48 PM)GMDino Wrote: I believe someone did say once that if the decision was made t shoot it must have been the right decision at the time so we cannot question it.  

Exactly.

Now, the real question is: Did you hit?

If you didn't hit, then you were the bad guy.

[*Nately120*]

(07-31-2018, 02:23 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Really? They had to ask the colleagues and witnesses to find out what race this guy was? Seriously?

And does it even matter? Either the shooting was justified or it was not. 

The simple answer is yes, it does matter.