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How ironic..
#1
That Bernie Sanders, the free college for everyone, candidate, along with his wife, are being investigated for (wait for it...) bank fraud for the purpose of founding a for profit college!

Oh, the humanity!


http://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/


[quotPolitico Magazine first reported the Sanders had hired lawyers to defend them in the probe. Sanders' top adviser Jeff Weaver told CBS News the couple has sought legal protection over federal agents' allegations from a January 2016 complaint accusing then-President of Burlington College, Ms. Sanders, of distorting donor levels in a 2010 loan application for $10 million from People's United Bank to purchase 33 acres of land for the institution. e][/quote]

But, there's more..

Quote:According to Politico, prosecutors might also be looking into allegations that Sen. Sanders' office inappropriately urged the bank to approve the loan.
Burlington attorney and Sanders supporter Rich Cassidy has reportedly been hired to represent Sen. Sanders. And high-profile Washington defense attorney Larry Robbins, who counseled I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is protecting Jane Sanders.

I guess you could say that the Sanders couple is "feeling the Bern"..
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#2
Top 2 dems under FBI investigation. No wonder they didn't cooperate when they were hacked.
#3
No, no, no, no, no, no!

Bernie and his supporters don't want students to pay for their education but he still wants the schools to be paid and as with everything else the government pays for, the cost will be astronomical if students get their education for free while the government pays three or four times more than it costs now.

$5,000.00 for a hammer
$7,500.00 for a toilet seat
$1,000,000 for a college education

And here's the best part, the students will half ass it since its free and our country will become even dumber.
#4
Yeah, free tuition could never work. Nobody had even been dumb enough to try it anywhere in the world.

Oh, wait...

"Since tuition is free here, German students don’t really worry about student loan debt. Instead, they worry about their exams or learning a trade. Seventy percent of the students at the University of Cologne work part-time jobs. Students, parents, administrators and business leaders of all political stripes say the same thing: higher education in Germany is seen as a public good.

Controlling costs

The University of Cologne is Germany’s largest university with 48,000 students, a medical school and a law school.

"I have to be honest, I really like this university even though it's not the most beautiful one, as you can see," says tour guide Valerija Schwarz, a Ph.D. student in German Literature.

The university’s central square swarms with bicycles. Many students bike to school or take public transportation, Schwartz explains — that’s why there’s no big parking garage.

Students park their bikes outside one of the University of Cologne's newest buildings.
Students park their bikes outside one of the University of Cologne's newest buildings. - Photo by Mallory Noe-Payne/WGBH

Students in Germany also tend to stay local, so there aren't any dorms. There are no active student clubs, or big football stadium. And every lecture hall looks huge.

“Most of the time you don't even know who is sitting next to you or who your professor is,” Schwarz says. “You just listen and then reproduce your knowledge during the exams.”

All of this translates to savings: the average cost of an undergraduate degree in Germany is $32,000, paid for by the state. In the U.S., some schools charge that much for one year, and student loan debt has surpassed $1.2 trillion.

South 160 miles from the University of Cologne, tucked in the heart of Heidelberg’s quaint but vibrant city center, the University of Heidelberg offers a full program of courses from ancient history to biochemistry. It is one of Germany’s oldest and most prestigious institutions.

“A majority of German voters agree that a decent start in life includes the possibility of a free higher education,” says Frieder Wolf, a political science professor at the school.

To limit spending, Wolf says, professors teach more and earn less than their American colleagues.

"This is not to complain. I love my job and I have a lot of freedom but this is how we keep costs down — larger classrooms,” Wolf says. “We’ve got courses with 40 participants, 50 participants in the social sciences, where [American universities] might have tutorials of four or five students.”

And unlike their American counterparts, German universities have very little administrative bloat.

"Many administrative tasks for which you would have specialized personnel in the States is done by the teachers and professors here,” Wolf says.

The trade-off

But are German students getting the same quality learning experience?

Germany isn't widely known for having top-tier colleges like Harvard, Yale and Princeton. But, says Wolf, what it does have is “reliable quality."

"With all due respect, [America has] the best colleges but [it also has] some of the worst,” Wolf says. “There’s probably a new sort of class divide between people who get there and who don’t get there, where as in Germany basically most everybody who wants to go to an average college can go there and get a decent education."

In the U.S., the closest comparison to Germany’s no-frills, low-cost higher education is probably state and community colleges. President Obama has proposed making two years of community college tuition-free for students who keep their grades up, but Republican leaders in Congress have plans to stall that plan.

"It’s a very big commitment,” says Sandy Baum, a higher education economist with the Urban Institute. “People want it to be free, but they don’t really mean they want to pay higher taxes to make it free."

Baum says Americans also don't want to give up the residential college experience, with all its bells and whistles. But, she says, the U.S. needs more affordable choices.

"In many European universities, you go and you listen to a lecture and that is what is involved in the university,” Baum says. “It’s a lot cheaper to do that than the many things that people are asking for on college campuses here. And people are voting with their feet, and we need to have multiple options."

Baum says those options should include more online learning and apprenticeships.

Willing to pay, despite free tuition

Still, there are German families who, despite the promise of free college, are willing to pay for the elite American experience.

Jane Park and two of her three children in their home in Essen, Germany.
Jane Park and two of her three children in their home in Essen, Germany. - Photo by Mallory Noe-Payne/WGBH

Johannes Kim and Jane Park live in Essen, a neighboring city 50 miles north of Cologne. In the kitchen one recent evening, as Park prepares dinner, their three small children were listening to an opera lesson on tape.

Kim graduated from the University of Heidelberg and he thinks the opportunity to build relationships with professors is something you really can't put a price tag on. He wants their kids to attend schools with strong brand recognition.

"The American college experience is something that instills some sort of emotional bond to your university. That is something that is completely missing from the German system,” Kim says. “Although I went to the oldest university in Germany, there is not the feeling that I'm a proud alumni or graduate of that school."

Park, who is Korean-American, finds Germany's tuition-free model appealing, though she's conflicted about the American system.

"I like to think that I have a strong sense of social justice and great education is almost reserved for the elite despite scholarship opportunities and financial aid,” Park says. “That, I find disturbing and in some ways I am squaring, 'OK, do I want to feed my children into that sort of system?’”

Their kids are young, so it will be a while before they go to college. And by that time, there's no guarantee that Germany will still be committed to the idea of free college education.

German states are on a five-year deadline to balance their budgets, meaning states, and taxpayers, will be taking a close look at what they can afford.

This is part one in a WGBH series that examines higher education in Germany, and compares it to the challenges we face here in the U.S. Part two can be found here"

Mallory Noe-Payne

Mallory Noe-Payne is a production assistant for On Campus. She's previously worked in public radio newsrooms at WVTF in Roanoke, Va. and WAMU in Washington D.C.
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Source: https://www.marketplace.org/2015/03/31/education/learning-curve/how-german-higher-education-controls-costs


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/10/29/7-countries-where-americans-can-study-at-universities-in-english-for-free-or-almost-free/?utm_term=.7e3fb3828331

Seven countries offer free tuition not only to their citizens but to Americans as well per the above article from 2014: Brazil, Slovenia, Norway, Sweden, France, Finland and Germany. Madness! Where will it end!
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#5
This is about Mrs. Sanders not Bernie.
Throw this in to take away the spot light from trump and his love affair with Russia.


"According to Politico, prosecutors might also be looking into allegations that Sen. Sanders' office inappropriately urged the bank to approve the loan."

Who do you think made these allegations ? LMAO
#6
(06-27-2017, 09:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That Bernie Sanders, the free college for everyone, candidate, along with his wife, are being investigated for (wait for it...) bank fraud for the purpose of founding a for profit college!

Oh, the humanity!


http://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/


[quotPolitico Magazine first reported the Sanders had hired lawyers to defend them in the probe. Sanders' top adviser Jeff Weaver told CBS News the couple has sought legal protection over federal agents' allegations from a January 2016 complaint accusing then-President of Burlington College, Ms. Sanders, of distorting donor levels in a 2010 loan application for $10 million from People's United Bank to purchase 33 acres of land for the institution. e]

But, there's more..


I guess you could say that the Sanders couple is "feeling the Bern"..
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didnt trump settle a lawsuit for scamming students?

and isnt he under FBI investigation
People suck
#7
(06-28-2017, 09:07 AM)Griever Wrote: But, there's more..


I guess you could say that the Sanders couple is "feeling the Bern"..

didnt trump settle a lawsuit for scamming students?

and isnt he under FBI investigation
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Yes, but he's is "making america great again" with his defeating ISIS in 30 days play and giving his rich friends tax breaks so we dont have to help people get health care insurance.

He's not giving stuff away for free.   Mellow
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#8
(06-27-2017, 09:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That Bernie Sanders, the free college for everyone, candidate, along with his wife, are being investigated for (wait for it...) bank fraud for the purpose of founding a for profit college!

Oh, the humanity!

http://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/

[quotPolitico Magazine first reported the Sanders had hired lawyers to defend them in the probe. Sanders' top adviser Jeff Weaver told CBS News the couple has sought legal protection over federal agents' allegations from a January 2016 complaint accusing then-President of Burlington College, Ms. Sanders, of distorting donor levels in a 2010 loan application for $10 million from People's United Bank to purchase 33 acres of land for the institution. e]

Both sides do it!!  Trump set up a fake university to bilk thousands of students out of millions of dollars.

Ms. Sanders is alleged to have misstated something on a loan application. 

Maybe this will teach Democrats not to point fingers.
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#9
(06-28-2017, 09:07 AM)Griever Wrote: But, there's more..


I guess you could say that the Sanders couple is "feeling the Bern"..

didnt trump settle a lawsuit for scamming students?

and isnt he under FBI investigation
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Yes, Trump made good on his mistake.  And, who said anything about FBI investigation?  Are you worried that he might be?
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#10
(06-28-2017, 07:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yes, Trump made good on his mistake.  And, who said anything about FBI investigation?  Are you worried that he might be?

You might want to reevaluate your definition of 'mistake'
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(06-28-2017, 07:13 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: You might want to reevaluate your definition of 'mistake'

I don't know man, I'd say that Donald likely thought he was doing a genuinely good thing with Trump University. 
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#12
(06-28-2017, 07:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't know man, I'd say that Donald likely thought he was doing a genuinely good thing with Trump University. 

You're kidding...right?

The only good thing in Trump's mind is what makes Trump money.  And he'll sign on off on anything to make him money with zero idea about the details.
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#13
(06-28-2017, 10:03 PM)GMDino Wrote: You're kidding...right?

The only good thing in Trump's mind is what makes Trump money.  And he'll sign on off on anything to make him money with zero idea about the details.

nobody knew college could be so hard
People suck
#14
(06-28-2017, 07:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't know man, I'd say that Donald likely thought he was doing a genuinely good thing with Trump University. 

Don't feign ignorance, it's not a good look. You're better than that.
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#15
(06-27-2017, 09:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That Bernie Sanders, the free college for everyone, candidate, along with his wife, are being investigated for (wait for it...) bank fraud for the purpose of founding a for profit college!

Oh, the humanity!


http://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/


[quotPolitico Magazine first reported the Sanders had hired lawyers to defend them in the probe. Sanders' top adviser Jeff Weaver told CBS News the couple has sought legal protection over federal agents' allegations from a January 2016 complaint accusing then-President of Burlington College, Ms. Sanders, of distorting donor levels in a 2010 loan application for $10 million from People's United Bank to purchase 33 acres of land for the institution. e]

But, there's more..


I guess you could say that the Sanders couple is "feeling the Bern"..
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This is what was held over Sanders' head, after it was found that the DNC had hosed him. That's why he negotiated with them, instead of blowing up in the media. He got Shultz's head and a nice lakehouse, for being a good boy.

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#16
(06-28-2017, 07:13 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: You might want to reevaluate your definition of 'mistake'

... as well as the definition of making good. Otherwise many borrowers will want you to lend them dollars and pay you back in pennies. Hey, 10 = 10 so $10 = 10 cents: I made good on my loan!
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#17
(06-28-2017, 07:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't know man, I'd say that Donald likely thought he was doing a genuinely good thing with Trump University. 

He thought he was doing a genuinely good thing grabbing these too!

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#18
(06-29-2017, 04:22 PM)xxlt Wrote: He thought he was doing a genuinely good thing grabbing these too!

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It must work for him, he's got what, 4 kids?
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#19
(06-29-2017, 04:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It must work for him, he's got what, 4 kids?

money will make stupid women do stupid things
People suck
#20
(06-29-2017, 04:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It must work for him, he's got what, 4 kids?

If that's how we're keeping score, he's still a loser!

I've known countless mothers and fathers of over 10, 15, 20, and even 25 children. And they all did it without a $200+ million dollar inheritance.

So much losing.
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