Hunter Biden laptop story

[Dill]

(10-28-2020, 04:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: So the source (Rudy) is "kinda crazy", FOX News isn't pushing the story because of the holes in it, but you say that doesn't mean it's "not real".

That's some cognitive dissonance there.  

Now I did read somewhere (I had to find it so excuse me for paraphrasing) that in the past disinformation campaigns there would be a few "real" messages mixed in with the fake ones.  So they might have real emails between Joe and Hunter but then they make some up to make it a little spicier.

But that's the beauty of a good conspiracy theory...if there is even a shred of truth in it the people who want to believe can cling to it.

People need to let the FBI sort this out. NOT Giuliani and Fox friends, that's for sure.

[Dill]

(10-28-2020, 04:37 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Misdirection?

It's not unsupported.  It's actually far more supported than Trump is a Russian plant or Trump, who is a germaphobe, got in bed with 2 hookers and let them pee on him.  All of which the media played on a 24/7 loop.

The media is blacking this out with the help of social media and the Biden Family is not denying any of it.  Nothing.

I am not saying Biden should go to jail or that he even did something criminal, but according to the info we currently have he is at the minimum lying and did some very shady things.

Germaphobe Trump has certainly been ready to bone porn stars. But he would draw the line a prostitutes? Why is it impossible that he watched or ordered prostitutes to pee on a bed michelle and Barack slept in?  And from the beginning that golden shower story was considered questionable, a likely fabrication. "The media" wasn't playing it in a non stop loop, as you claim.

What is your evidence that "media is blacking this out with the help of social media"?  Your real complaint seems to be that "liberal" media adheres to journalistic standards, not Guiliani's.

So far it's looking like emails and memos "nobody denies" are not making waves because few know what they say and nothing so far appears to be illegal to the FBI.  

[hollodero]

(10-28-2020, 03:52 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: All you have to do is read the emails and texts that no one has disputed.

I read more of it than was good for me.
None of these documents and emails do prove any involvement of Joe Biden in any of his son's business deals.

(10-28-2020, 03:52 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I believe Joe Biden lied and knew what was going on.  I have no idea if he did anything criminal, not my expertise, but it is very obvious he is at least lying.

I don't know that. He might. He might not. I do not take this Tony guy at face value though, for reasons I laid out.
What goes for Biden is that he made his sources of income clear, and there's no China money on it. He might have gone full criminal and taken black money, but I don't see enough to support that. An email with the words "big guy" in it. Yeah, too thin.

Also, I do find it funny that the same people that claim Biden is mentally gone and imply he needs heavy drugs to fight his dementia for a debate's length also would consider him the very recent head (chairman/big guy) of a hidden shady business network that takes in millions from everywhere "like a vacuum cleaner". I'm not saying you say all that, but I sure say that Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump say all that. Don't you see some cheapness in this?

(10-28-2020, 03:52 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: No one has disputed the laptop or the info on it.

Sure, there's a laptop. The FBI has it. As of now, there is little indication as to why.
All you really can do is connect some dots you see to make it into the story you want to see. Which is peculiar for it is the exact same thing you accuse the "MSM" of doing. But that is just the truth of the matter, that you jump to conclusions that are not supported by evidence. Doesn't mean your take is already proven wrong, it isn't. It's just a theory, or, indeed a story. One with, imho, some weird plot holes in it, of the Trump supporting legally blind laptop repairman category.
Bill Barr, not quite known to be recusant or an anti-Trumper, and his DOJ have not filed any charges against any Biden as of now, even when Trump demanded they do so. That might give you a clue as to how the FBI sees this affair.

(10-28-2020, 03:52 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: What I heard from Tony B. is far more credible than screaming "Russia disinformation".  Any documented proof of this?

As of now, I suppose Adam Schiff was prematurely jumping to a conclusion when implying (or more directly claiming) this was a Russian ploy. I wouldn't know if it was. Wouldn't surprise me though, that's for sure.

(10-28-2020, 03:52 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I remember when the pee tape was credible, but not this?  smh.

I never found the pee tape to be quite credible. And many people did not. It was a funny line for the comedians, but most people did not claim it was true.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-28-2020, 03:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/21/politics/fbi-russia-disinformation/index.html


Article is from 7 days ago. 

That's CNN.  I thought they weren't covering this story?

[fredtoast]

(10-28-2020, 04:10 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Not sure he ever said he was crooked.  

He said Biden was lying and that it could impact his ability to deal with foreign entities when it comes to our foreign policy.

How could doing business with China make Biden unfit to be President when Trump has done the exact same thing?


What exactly are you saying Biden did that was wrong?  If there is nothing illegal about the business he was transacting in China then there is no reason it should keep him from being president.  Biden was not even vice-president when he supposedly took part in this business
 
And there is obviously no problem with keeping it secret because trump has kept his tax returns secret since before he was elected.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-28-2020, 04:05 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: What exactly do you think the Russians did?

Did they create all the videos, emails and texts?

The Russians stole Hunters laptop and turned it in to a legally blind computer guy in DE and just hoped he would eventually find the info and then hope that he reported it and then hoped that it would get to the press before the election?

Then the Russians got to Tony B. and created fake docs, texts and an audio recording spread over 3 phones and multiple years that all have dates and times that line up and can be verified?

And then got the Bidens to not dispute any of this false Russian planted info as true?

What do I think?  I think Giuliani is playing Roger Stone's role during this election cycle.  Stone was in contact with Russian operatives to coordinate the release of the hacked DNC emails to benefit Trump's election.  I think Giuliani is in contact with known Russian agents to pull the same stunt again.  But, instead of hacked emails they came up with . . . hacked emails on a laptop which may or may not be authentic.  The best thing to do would be to mix authentic and fraudulent information together.  Didn't Biden dispute this story during the last debate or was he disputing another Trump lie?

[fredtoast]

I saw a good part of the interview with Tucker and Tony. They made a HUGE deal about Joes brother saying "plausible deniability". but I never understood what they were supposed to be denying. I never heard Tony say what Biden was doing that was wrong or illegal. He said they were all in the same deal. So if that made Joe Biden a crook then it made Tony B a crook also.

If anyone knows what I am missing please tell me. Biden was not even Vice President at that time so it was not like he was abusing his power.

It seemed like one of these same old stories with huge holes in them that Fox throws out there and all their viewers lap it up without asking any questions. Remember when "unmasking" was the biggest scandal since Watergate? Or the FBI criminal activity in the Meuller probe? Remember when Hannity swore that Hillary Clinton had Seth Rich killed? It is easy to spew that bullshit when the all the viewers automatically believe everything they are told.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-28-2020, 05:46 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That's CNN.  I thought they weren't covering this story?

Yeah, NOW they are. 

What's funny is that had Twitter not blocked the NY Post tweet when they first came out with this story, this story probably goes about as far as any crazy Facebook "news" story. Now, though, even though it probably is much ado about nothing (at least in relation to JOE Biden), it's out there being talked about. 

[*PhilHos*]

(10-28-2020, 06:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Biden was not even Vice President at that time so it was not like he was abusing his power.

To me, this is the crux of the story. If all these supposed events happened AFTER Biden was no longer VP, I don't even know if you can really call it corruption, let alone crooked. Biden making money off his name? What's the big deal about that? Now, if these events happened WHILE Biden was in office, that's a different story.

[Mickeypoo]

All I have said is that no one is denying the laptop is legit.

No one is denying the info on the laptop is legit.

No one is denying Tony B. or what he said is legit.

No one is denying the docs Tony B presented are legit.

All Tony said was that Joe was lying and it could effect his dealing with our foreign policy.

I personally never said Joe did something illegal or that he should be in jail.

Why is this so complicated?

Joe said he knew nothing about deals and using the Biden name.  That appears to be a lie.

You guys cannot seriously think that this would not be 24/7 screaming outrage, hair on fire, scorched earth, orange man bad coverage on every major and minor liberal news outlet if the exact same scenario was reversed.  Every reporter would ask nothing but questions about this vs zero for Joe.  You guys would be going poco loco nuts over this.

Pretty easy to come to a logical conclusion he lied about knowing what Hunter was doing and possibly being involved.  Joe is in pictures with Hunter and his business partners for crap sake.  Read the emails and texts.  Holy cow.  He at least lied about it.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-28-2020, 06:26 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Yeah, NOW they are. 

What's funny is that had Twitter not blocked the NY Post tweet when they first came out with this story, this story probably goes about as far as any crazy Facebook "news" story. Now, though, even though it probably is much ado about nothing (at least in relation to JOE Biden), it's out there being talked about. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/censorship-conservatives-social-media-432643

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/largest-study-ever-fake-news-mit-twitter/555104/

https://points.datasociety.net/media-manipulation-strategic-amplification-and-responsible-journalism-95f4d611f462?gi=9c2699f0f413

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-57272-3

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-28-2020, 06:36 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: All I have said is that no one is denying the laptop is legit.

No one is denying the info on the laptop is legit.

No one is denying Tony B. or what he said is legit.

No one is denying the docs Tony B presented are legit.

All Tony said was that Joe was lying and it could effect his dealing with our foreign policy.

I personally never said Joe did something illegal or that he should be in jail.

Why is this so complicated?

Joe said he knew nothing about deals and using the Biden name.  That appears to be a lie.

You guys cannot seriously think that this would not be 24/7 screaming outrage, hair on fire, scorched earth, orange man bad coverage on every major and minor liberal news outlet if the exact same scenario was reversed.  Every reporter would ask nothing but questions about this vs zero for Joe.  You guys would be going poco loco nuts over this.

Pretty easy to come to a logical conclusion he lied about knowing what Hunter was doing and possibly being involved.  Joe is in pictures with Hunter and his business partners for crap sake.  Read the emails and texts.  Holy cow.  He at least lied about it.

Going nuts over what?  You don't think he did anything illegal and shouldn't be in jail, so what did he do that we would go poco loco nuts over?

[Mickeypoo]

(10-28-2020, 06:44 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Going nuts over what?  You don't think he did anything illegal and shouldn't be in jail, so what did he do that we would go poco loco nuts over?

Take all the info, docs, texts, audio, emails, Tony B statements and apply them to Trump and his son.  Everybody would be going bat shit crazy right now.  I believe that 1000%.

I'm saying he lied and it appears he could be compromised to a point that at least would open questions to his foreign policies should he be elected.

[Dill]

(10-28-2020, 06:36 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: All I have said is that no one is denying the laptop is legit.

No one is denying the info on the laptop is legit.

No one is denying Tony B. or what he said is legit.

No one is denying the docs Tony B presented arre legit.

All Tony said was that Joe was lying and it could effect his dealing with our foreign policy.

I personally never said Joe did something illegal or that he should be in jail.

Why is this so complicated?

Joe said he knew nothing about deals and using the Biden name.  That appears to be a lie.

You guys cannot seriously think that this would not be 24/7 screaming outrage, hair on fire, scorched earth, orange man bad coverage on every major and minor liberal news outlet if the exact same scenario was reversed was reversed.  You guys would be going poco loco nuts over this.

Pretty easy to come to a logical conclusion he lied about knowing what Hunter was doing and possibly being involved.  Joe is in pictures with Hunter and his business partners for crap sake.  Read the emails and texts.  Holy cow.  He at least lied about it.

Can you pick out an email that establishes the "lying"? Pictures with business associates of Hunter's won't do that.

As far as the bolded, the exact same scenario is "reversed," isn't it? Unlike Biden's, Trump's tax records have not been made public. Trump has all manner of dealings with China and Ukraine and Russia which have been under investigation for years. He has collected millions from China while in office. His daughter has collected 40+ trademark patents from China. That's not speculation waiting for FBI confirmation.

If Joe Biden's mysterious millions travel and deposit with no record anyone can actually find, that is not the case with Trump's. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/23/forbes-estimates-china-paid-trump-at-least-54-million-since-he-took-office-via-mysterious-trump-tower-lease/#3b07eb13ed11

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/secret-chinese-bank-account-remains-problem-trump-n1244505

[Mickeypoo]

(10-28-2020, 06:59 PM)Dill Wrote: Can you pick out an email that establishes the "lying"? Pictures with business associates of Hunter's won't do that.

As far as the bolded, the exact same scenario is "reversed," isn't it? Unlike Biden's, Trump's tax records have not been made public. Trump has all manner of dealings with China and Ukraine and Russia which have been under investigation for years. He has collected millions from China while in office. His daughter has collected 40+ trademark patents from China. That's not speculation waiting for FBI confirmation.

If Joe Biden's mysterious millions travel and deposit with no record anyone can actually find, that is not the case with Trump's. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/23/forbes-estimates-china-paid-trump-at-least-54-million-since-he-took-office-via-mysterious-trump-tower-lease/#3b07eb13ed11

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/secret-chinese-bank-account-remains-problem-trump-n1244505

This is a very simple exercise.  Replace Joe and Hunter with Trump and Don Jr. and tell me with a straight face that this would not be headline news 24/7 hair on fire outrage.

To Tony, not from Tony.  “Don’t mention Joe being involved, it’s only when u are face to face, I know u know that but they are paranoid.”

[Dill]

(10-28-2020, 06:57 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote:
Take all the info, docs, texts, audio, emails, Tony B statements and apply them to Trump and his son.  Everybody would be going bat shit crazy right now.  I believe that 1000%.

I'm saying he lied and it appears he could be compromised to a point that at least would open questions to his foreign policies should he be elected.

No. the MSM is just not like the Right Wing Media. 

It does not generate these baseless scandals and keep them in the news for months and years with no evidence beyond talk.

It debunks all the pizzagates and Birther scandals and Biden Uklraine corruption. it does not work to keep them in play. It does not use Infowars as a serious source.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-28-2020, 07:04 PM)Dill Wrote: No. the MSM is just not like the Right Wing Media. 

It does not generate these baseless scandals and keep them in the news for months and years with no evidence beyond talk.

It debunks all the pizzagates and Birther scandals and Biden Uklraine corruption. it does not work to keep them in play. It does not use Infowars as a serious source.

They kept the "Trump is an agent of Putin" alive for 3+ years!

The Russian Dossier was basically fake and they ran with that all day every day.

Michael Avanati and all the faker Kavanaugh crap.

MSM does not generate baseless scandals like the Right?  You are seriously trolling hard right now.  You have to be.

[Dill]

(10-28-2020, 07:02 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: This is a very simple exercise.  Replace Joe and Hunter with Trump and Don Jr. and tell me with a straight face that this would not be headline news 24/7 hair on fire outrage.

To Tony, not from Tony.  “Don’t mention Joe being involved, it’s only when u are face to face, I know u know that but they are paranoid.”

I am trying to tell you that Joe and Hunter have already been replaced with Donald and Ivanka. The situation is worse in that Ivanka is actually a government official.

Again, the MSM does not behave the way Fox and friends do. 

[GMDino]

It seems the idea here from folks like Mickey is that it doesn't have to be illegal or even wrong as long as the media puts it out there so people can THINK it is illegal or wrong.

Which would be like the POTUS withholding military funds until a country announced an investigation into a political opponent no matter if they did or not.

In other words...bull manure.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-28-2020, 07:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: It seems the idea here from folks like Mickey is that it doesn't have to be illegal or even wrong as long as the media puts it out there so people can THINK it is illegal or wrong.

Which would be like the POTUS withholding military funds until a country announced an investigation into a political opponent no matter if they did or not.

In other words...bull manure.

Or a VP that got a prosecutor in a foreign country fired who was going to investigate a Company said VP's son was a board member of?

I'm sure that was legit.