Hunter Biden to Plead Guilty

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2023, 01:03 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Who has blind confidence on the GOP side? I don't, but maybe look in the mirror with some of your liberal friends who think a GOP Trump nominee equals an easy win in 2024.

I see a dog fight if Trump gets the nomination against whomever the Democrats nominate.

I do agree way too early to base outcomes on current polls. Personally, I look at only independents poll results, to me they tell the real mood of the country at any given time.

I do have some friends who are independents . They voted for Biden, but were not happy about the lie from 51 former so called national security experts the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation. They told me they would never believe another Democrat again once it was determined all of the 51 knew it was in fact Hunter's laptop and signed a false letter so Biden could lie on the debate stage against Trump.

Does any liberal or independent believe Joe Biden did not know the laptop was in fact hunter's? Joe Biden lied and the media and the FBI let him get away with it.

I hadn't voted for a Democrat in 14 years but this MAGA stuff pushed me left.  So I wouldn't count me in with the deluded and smug liberals quite yet. 

Speaking of smug, who pushed Doug Mastriano in PA? Dude would have cleaned house if this place were in the bible belt and it was still 1957.

[Luvnit2]

(06-20-2023, 12:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: Couple things:

No one knows why he said it was ongoing.  Perhaps that was just to satisfy the right wing nuts who want constant investigations into private citizens?  Maybe because all the i's haven't been dotted yet?  Whatever it is we will wait and see.

Meanwhile no matter what happens with Trump you refuse to accept that any of it is real or truthful.

Trump could cure cancer (w/o stealing from his children's cancer charity...lol) and people would want him prosecuted if he broke the law.   That you don't see that is why you are in a cult.  Although the desire for a strong leader who solves all your problems is also very cult-like.  Throw in your complete aversion to the facts like Trump's tax cuts were made permanent for the upper class and set to expire for the middle and that border crossings are down.

Not that I expect you to believe me...or anyone other than your leader.

Wow, do you think people are stupid? Down from when Trump was President or down since Biden took over? It is like the inflation claim of being down by liberals. Over 3 years it is over 17%, yet liberals misinform and say inflation is down. In order to be down for comparison purposes, if the inflation is down 7% in 2022, then it needs to be up over 7% in 2023 since Biden's numbers are Biden's numbers. It is BS to claim Biden is curbing. inflation if he goes from down 7% to only 6% down. He simply stopping the bleeding, but over 2 year period still down 13% inflation. People feel the inflation in their wallets so they are not buying Democrat lies on inflation being better for them.

As far as Trump, it is not that I think he innocent of all accusations. My issue is the things he may be guilty of there are Democrats like Bill and HRC who were also guilty of these things, but they were not prosecuted. James Comey made a whole speech that HRC was guilty, waited to interview late in the investigation, but then said no charges for deleting 33,000 emails for her or the attorney with no clearance to look at classified documents, but yet was ignored not only did he look at them he deleted 33,000 emails. Joe Biden stole clarified documents when he was a senator. There is no question he had no right to take any of these documents home or to other places he had them stored.

Independents see this very clearly, and understand why Trump feels he has been unfairly attacked starting with a fake Russian dossier that was a Clinton hit piece that turned into supposed evidence by a corrupt FBI for HRC and liberals.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fair-analysis-4-9-million-illegal-aliens-have-crossed-our-borders-since-president-biden-took-office-301606980.html

FAIR Analysis: 4.9 Million Illegal Aliens Have Crossed our Borders Since President Biden Took Office


How many illegal immigrants under Trump 4 years versus Joe's 2.8 years?

[GMDino]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-maintains-edge-over-trump-2024-us-election-reutersipsos-poll-2023-05-16/

Quote:Biden maintains edge over Trump in 2024 US election -Reuters/Ipsos poll
By Jason Lange and James Oliphant
May 16, 20236:07 AM EDTUpdated a month ago









U.S. President Joe Biden answers a question about the Republican position on the U.S. debt limit as he walks away from the podium at the conclusion of a joint news conference with South Korea's President Yoon Suk Yeol in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington, U.S. April 26, 2023. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque/

WASHINGTON, May 16 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden continues to hold an edge over potential Republican challengers Donald 
Trump and Ron DeSantis as the 2024 U.S. presidential election draws closer, according to the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll.


But there are potential hazards ahead for Biden should the situation at the U.S. southern border worsen, the poll shows.


Among registered voters, Biden led Trump, his predecessor as president, by six percentage points in a hypothetical match-up, 44% to 38%, holding an advantage that has opened up in recent few months. In a mid-March Reuters/Ipsos poll, Biden led Trump by five points after trailing him by three points in February.

The latest poll collected responses nationwide from 4,410 U.S. adults. For registered voters, it had a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of two percentage points.

In the 2024 Republican primary, Trump maintains a commanding lead over DeSantis, the Florida governor who is expected to announce his candidacy within the next few weeks.


Forty-nine percent of registered Republicans picked the former president, more than double DeSantis' 21% support. Former Vice 
President Mike Pence was backed by 5% of Republicans, with former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, businessman Vivek 
Ramaswamy and others garnering even less. About 10% percent said they did not know which candidate they would support.


Biden, a Democrat who announced his re-election bid last month, would hold a slight edge with independent voters over a Republican opponent, the poll showed, buoyed by his positions on abortion and gun violence.

Sixty-three percent of registered voters - including 73% of independents - said they were less likely to support a presidential candidate who backs severe restrictions on abortion.


Democrats' views on gun policy also scored better among respondents, with 67% of registered voters saying they were more likely to back a candidate who backed stricter gun laws.


But the issue of migrants crossing into the U.S. from Mexico holds potential peril for the president.


His administration last week lifted Title 42, a pandemic-era policy that blocked many migrants from applying for asylum, prompting fears of a surge of attempted border crossings. U.S. officials say tougher penalties for illegal crossings and new asylum procedures should deter some migration.


In the poll, 64% of Democrats and 93% of Republicans said they favor a presidential candidate who supports tougher measures to secure the border. Majorities of both parties also said they were concerned that immigration could surge because of the lifting of Title 42.


Arizona, which sits on the U.S. border with Mexico, was a key state in the 2020 presidential election. Biden won it over Trump by 0.3 percentage points. Polls show immigration to be a leading issue in the state.


Trump continues to face myriad legal woes. Last week, a New York jury found Trump had sexually abused and defamed writer E. Jean Carroll nearly 30 years ago and awarded her $5 million in damages. He was indicted in New York in April in a scheme concerning hush money payments to former porn star Stormy Daniels.

Respondents to the poll who styled themselves independents remain unhappy with the potential 2024 matchups.

In a hypothetical Biden-Trump contest, 15% of registered independents said they would vote for “some other candidate” and 9% said they would not vote.

[Luvnit2]

(06-20-2023, 01:13 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hadn't voted for a Democrat in 14 years but this MAGA stuff pushed me left.  So I wouldn't count me in with the deluded and smug liberals quite yet. 

Speaking of smug, who pushed Doug Mastriano in PA? Dude would have cleaned house if this place were in the bible belt and it was still 1957.

Your vote is your vote. Like i said, it will be a dogfight because Trump is going nowhere and he will be very visible while JB will not.

[*Nately120*]

(06-20-2023, 01:19 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your vote is your vote. Like i said, it will be a dogfight because Trump is going nowhere and he will be very visible while JB will not.

Visibility hasn't been a benefit to Trump's brand since 2016. And im not saying I'm confident in Biden, im actually saying that the GOP being stuck with Trump and only Trump is hurting their ability to win. Less MAGA in 2022 gets the red wave, but that's not the Trump way, so it doesn't get done. 

I mean we are talking about Trump's legal battles in a thread about Hunter Biden, for Pete's sake. 

[*pally*]

Why is it that when MAGA people talk about Trump's job record they conveniently forget about year 4 when his lack of leadership led to the highest unemployment in decades whereas now it is lower than it has been in 60 years?

Why don't Republicans support increases in the minimum wage which would move the entire hourly wage scale? The Federal minimum wage hasn't been increased since 2009. This keeps the entire wage scale depressed across all segments.
Why aren't you talking about the massive increases in corporate profits during this inflationary stage? Every economic segment driving inflation has companies making record profits. All of these companies are engaging in record levels of stock buybacks which are then given to execs and insiders are options. Stock options carry a lower tax burden than cash bonuses plus put dividend cash in their pockets. Stock buybacks also remove stock from the market available to the general public and 401Ks

So tell me, how much of that profit is being made off the back of the American public?

New CNN poll says 67% of independents agree with the Trump indictment even as they may agree politics played a role

[Lucidus]

(06-20-2023, 01:19 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your vote is your vote. Like i said, it will be a dogfight because Trump is going nowhere and he will be very visible while JB will not.

In a recent interview, Bill Barr - Mr. Trump's former Attorney General - provided a rather concise summarization of the 45th president:

“This is not a circumstance where he’s the victim or this is government overreach. He provoked this whole problem himself. Yes, he’s been the victim of unfair witch hunts in the past. But that doesn’t obviate the fact that he’s also a fundamentally flawed person who engages in reckless conduct. And that leads to situations, calamitous situations like this, which are very destructive and hurt any political cause he’s associated with.”

“He is a consummate narcissist and he constantly engages in reckless conduct that that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and Republican agenda at risk. He will always put his own interests and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country’s interests. There’s no question about it. This is a perfect example of that. He’s like a 9-year-old — a defiant 9-year-old kid who’s always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop him from doing it. It’s a means of self-assertion and exerting his dominance over other people. And he’s a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country’s, his personal gratification of his ego. But our country can’t be a therapy session for a troubled man like this.”

While I have many issues with Barr and his role during the Mueller investigations, I must grant him a certain amount of credit for publicly stating the truth about Mr. Trump -- a truth which we assuredly all know, even if some choose to ignore it or pretend it's not the case.

[CJD]

Oh no, not Hunter!

When will the madness that is rich people suffering the consequences of their actions end?

[Luvnit2]

(06-20-2023, 01:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-maintains-edge-over-trump-2024-us-election-reutersipsos-poll-2023-05-16/

thehill.com › homenews › campaignTrump beats Biden by 6 points in 2024 matchup: poll | The Hill


Jun 16, 2023 · The poll found that 45 percent of respondents said they would vote for Trump if the 2024 election were held today between the former president and Biden, while 39 percent said they’d


So many polls, like I said too early to declare a proj. winner in 2024

[*pally*]

(06-20-2023, 01:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: thehill.com › homenews › campaignTrump beats Biden by 6 points in 2024 matchup: poll | The Hill


Jun 16, 2023 · The poll found that 45 percent of respondents said they would vote for Trump if the 2024 election were held today between the former president and Biden, while 39 percent said they’d


So many polls, like I said too early to declare a proj. winner in 2024

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4050009-biden-leads-trump-in-new-poll/

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

Trump appointed prosecutor and judge are the ones who struck this deal with Hunter Biden.

[BigPapaKain]

(06-20-2023, 01:07 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: Sure ... And they are in Canada for now, we wouldn't know them.

And everyone clapped.

[*michaelsean*]

(06-20-2023, 12:02 PM)pally Wrote: link please

Prosecutors don't cut deals and then continue the investigations into other charges. 

That would be incorrect.

[Dill]

(06-20-2023, 01:16 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: As far as Trump, it is not that I think he innocent of all accusations. My issue is the things he may be guilty of there are Democrats like Bill and HRC who were also guilty of these things, but they were not prosecuted. James Comey made a whole speech that HRC was guilty, waited to interview late in the investigation, but then said no charges for deleting 33,000 emails for her or the attorney with no clearance to look at classified documents, but yet was ignored not only did he look at them he deleted 33,000 emails. Joe Biden stole clarified documents when he was a senator. There is no question he had no right to take any of these documents home or to other places he had them stored.

Independents see this very clearly, and understand why Trump feels he has been unfairly attacked starting with a fake Russian dossier that was a Clinton hit piece that turned into supposed evidence by a corrupt FBI for HRC and liberals.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fair-analysis-4-9-million-illegal-aliens-have-crossed-our-borders-since-president-biden-took-office-301606980.html

This is why I keep telling my liberal friends that the whole Trump misadventure is a consequence of 20 years of Fox disinformation, the creation of an alternative reality bubble with alternative "narratives" to attack what they erroneously call "the left," and protect GOP leaders, especially Trump. Among the most persistent of these is that the Russia investigation and impeachments were "witch hunts." 

Mr. Lunvnit has spent a great deal of time surfing the abovementioned topics without examining them in any depth outside that bubble. 

GOP misbehavior is systematically inverted and projected onto the Dems. That is why there is no discussion of Trump's very public and documented use of the DOJ to go after enemies and to keep him in power AFTER he lost the election but a storm over Biden's supposed weaponization of the DOJ, because the FBI raided Mar a Lago to retrieve government documents Trump defiantly and willfully called his private property. Two Republican candidates even recognize that Trump's own behavior brought the criminal indictment upon him.
 
Clintons and others are regularly accused of fantastic crimes, like murder and child trafficking, and when an investigation cannot even begin because there is so little evidence, the bubble echoes "Clintons got away with it--again! One law for them and another for the rest of us!"  So not all independents "see things clearly," especially if they are not really "independents."  Rather, what they see are alternative narratives competing with "official" ones based on law and factual records, and they are not interested in or not able to test them against law and factual records. 

Even the clearest and most unambiguous reminders of law and fact are dismissed as "Dem talking points."

E.g., it was the 7th Benghazi investigation which uncovered Hillary's use of a private server. But no one in the bubble ever frames the six investigations which followed the first as "weaponization" of government, even after Kevin McCarthy boasted how it had dropped Hilary's poll numbers when asked what the committee had produced. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mccarthy-links-benghazi-panel-clintons-sinking-poll-numbers-n436151

Hillary was fully legal when she asked a lawyer to separate out the 30,000+ emails she deemed personal as part of the normal process of determining what needed to be archived. A subordinate was then supposed to delete them but forgot. Then he, not Hilary, did after they were subpoenaed. Everyone agrees that this was mishandling documents, since confidential and classified information was found in some email chains. But she was not prosecuted because of the "intent" standard applied to the case--the same one used to assess Biden, Pence and Trump's handling of records. As I have explained before, Hilary dropped in the polls a week before the election when Comey announced he had re-opened his investigation; how is that "weaponizing" the DOJ against Trump? How managing an asset in the Clinton campaign doing that? 

The FBI did not indict Pence because he was not willfully retaining records or exposing them directly to people without proper clearance. Neither Biden nor Pence "stole" documents. They VOLUNTARILY returned them when they realized they had them, and cooperated with follow up searches. No one thinks Pence intentionally mishandled anything. The outcome of their cases is that protocols need to be in place for stricter and more systematic handling of documents when a president is leaving office. 

They DID go after Trump because he willfully withheld/hid records and refused to cooperate with their collection. Further, he publicly and loudly proclaimed that he intentionally took the records and that they were his PRIVATE PROPERTY, while misleading his own lawyers about what he had.
Add this to his already terrible record of blabbing top secret intel to Russians with no oversight and giving his unqualified daughter and son-in-law top security clearances. 

So prosecuting him does not reveal some nefarious double standard. Any other U.S. citizen would already be in jail for what Trump did. But inside the bubble all we hear is "Hillary and Biden did it and no one raided their homes!"  The "alternative" narrative reduces Trump's criminal behavior to just "taking documents." Followed by "Biden and Hilary did it too, but they got off!!" Nevermind that they did not ignore subpoenas nor declare the documents theirs. Doesn't matter if, as Hannity, Levin et al. say "But Trump was president and so had the power to . . . blah blah." Trump took the documents which were gov. property, called them his without legal sanction, refused to cooperate in their return, and still calls them his. THAT'S what brought on the subpoena and raid, THAT is what he is indicted for. Not "taking documents."

If independents "see very clearly" that both Biden and Hilary and Trump "stole documents," then they are only seeing what Fox and Newsmax and Trump want them to see--not how the law frames these different actions according to intent and fact. 

AMAZING that we are still discussing a president with all this baggage, one still amid an investigation for SEDITION.  I heard him send an armed crowd to the Capitol in a protest timed to hit the moment Mike Pence was handed a list of illegal electoral votes from 7 states in hopes of throwing a valid election. That's a conspiracy to remain in power unlawfully. Mr. Luvnit and others in the bubble only heard Trump tell the mob to protest "peacefully." The alternative narrative still calls for investigating the role of ANTIFA and BLM in the Capitol insurrection. A true independent like Nately can see through the fog here. But "independents" who still don't know why Fox settled the Dominion suit and fired Tucker Carlson because Trump told them not to listen to "fake news" are at best confused by whom to believe, at worst simply confirming and extending the alternative narratives they've accepted for years. 

[GMDino]

(06-22-2023, 03:53 PM)Dill Wrote: This is why I keep telling my liberal friends that the whole Trump misadventure is a consequence of 20 years of Fox disinformation, the creation of an alternative reality bubble with alternative "narratives" to attack what they erroneously call "the left," and protect GOP leaders, especially Trump. Among the most persistent of these is that the Russia investigation and impeachments were "witch hunts." 

Mr. Lunvnit has spent a great deal of time surfing the abovementioned topics without examining them in any depth outside that bubble. 

GOP misbehavior is systematically inverted and projected onto the Dems. That is why there is no discussion of Trump's very public and documented use of the DOJ to go after enemies and to keep him in power AFTER he lost the election but a storm over Biden's supposed weaponization of the DOJ, because the FBI raided Mar a Lago to retrieve government documents Trump defiantly and willfully called his private property. Two Republican candidates even recognize that Trump's own behavior brought the criminal indictment upon him.
 
Clintons and others are regularly accused of fantastic crimes, like murder and child trafficking, and when an investigation cannot even begin because there is so little evidence, the bubble echoes "Clintons got away with it--again! One law for them and another for the rest of us!"  So not all independents "see things clearly," especially if they are not really "independents."  Rather, what they see are alternative narratives competing with "official" ones based on law and factual records, and they are not interested in or not able to test them against law and factual records. 

Even the clearest and most unambiguous reminders of law and fact are dismissed as "Dem talking points."

E.g., it was the 7th Benghazi investigation which uncovered Hillary's use of a private server. But no one in the bubble ever frames the six investigations which followed the first as "weaponization" of government, even after Kevin McCarthy boasted how it had dropped Hilary's poll numbers when asked what the committee had produced. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mccarthy-links-benghazi-panel-clintons-sinking-poll-numbers-n436151

Hillary was fully legal when she asked a lawyer to separate out the 30,000+ emails she deemed personal as part of the normal process of determining what needed to be archived. A subordinate was then supposed to delete them but forgot. Then he, not Hilary, did after they were subpoenaed. Everyone agrees that this was mishandling documents, since confidential and classified information was found in some email chains. But she was not prosecuted because of the "intent" standard applied to the case--the same one used to assess Biden, Pence and Trump's handling of records. As I have explained before, Hilary dropped in the polls a week before the election when Comey announced he had re-opened his investigation; how is that "weaponizing" the DOJ against Trump? How managing an asset in the Clinton campaign doing that? 

The FBI did not indict Pence because he was not willfully retaining records or exposing them directly to people without proper clearance. Neither Biden nor Pence "stole" documents. They VOLUNTARILY returned them when they realized they had them, and cooperated with follow up searches. No one thinks Pence intentionally mishandled anything. The outcome of their cases is that protocols need to be in place for stricter and more systematic handling of documents when a president is leaving office. 

They DID go after Trump because he willfully withheld/hid records and refused to cooperate with their collection. Further, he publicly and loudly proclaimed that he intentionally took the records and that they were his PRIVATE PROPERTY, while misleading his own lawyers about what he had.
Add this to his already terrible record of blabbing top secret intel to Russians with no oversight and giving his unqualified daughter and son-in-law top security clearances. 

So prosecuting him does not reveal some nefarious double standard. Any other U.S. citizen would already be in jail for what Trump did. But inside the bubble all we hear is "Hillary and Biden did it and no one raided their homes!"  The "alternative" narrative reduces Trump's criminal behavior to just "taking documents." Followed by "Biden and Hilary did it too, but they got off!!" Nevermind that they did not ignore subpoenas nor declare the documents theirs. Doesn't matter if, as Hannity, Levin et al. say "But Trump was president and so had the power to . . . blah blah." Trump took the documents which were gov. property, called them his without legal sanction, refused to cooperate in their return, and still calls them his. THAT'S what brought on the subpoena and raid, THAT is what he is indicted for. Not "taking documents."

If independents "see very clearly" that both Biden and Hilary and Trump "stole documents," then they are only seeing what Fox and Newsmax and Trump want them to see--not how the law frames these different actions according to intent and fact. 

AMAZING that we are still discussing a president with all this baggage, one still amid an investigation for SEDITION.  I heard him send an armed crowd to the Capitol in a protest timed to hit the moment Mike Pence was handed a list of illegal electoral votes from 7 states in hopes of throwing a valid election. That's a conspiracy to remain in power unlawfully. Mr. Luvnit and others in the bubble only heard Trump tell the mob to protest "peacefully." The alternative narrative still calls for investigating the role of ANTIFA and BLM in the Capitol insurrection. A true independent like Nately can see through the fog here. But "independents" who still don't know why Fox settled the Dominion suit and fired Tucker Carlson because Trump told them not to listen to "fake news" are at best confused by whom to believe, at worst simply confirming and extending the alternative narratives they've accepted for years. 

It's really no different than "the refs don't like us" or "the other team gets away with being dirty".

It's an emotional answer to a logical problem.  Instead of looking at each case/call its gets lumped in with the things we don't like/want to happen.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

You don't have to believe that Trump is being persecuted to also believe that Biden is getting preferential treatment. Lying on your 4473 form is a major felony punishable by up to ten years in prison. Federal prison, btw, where there is no parole. By way of contrast a burglary in CA will net you a standard four years in prison, with six being the max for aggravating circumstances, of which you'd be unlucky to serve more than three. So, yes, Biden got a sweetheart deal and Trump isn't being persecuted. See, it's easy when everything isn't viewed through a partisan lens.

[Belsnickel]

(06-22-2023, 04:25 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You don't have to believe that Trump is being persecuted to also believe that Biden is getting preferential treatment. Lying on your 4473 form is a major felony punishable by up to ten years in prison. Federal prison, btw, where there is no parole. By way of contrast a burglary in CA will net you a standard four years in prison, with six being the max for aggravating circumstances, of which you'd be unlucky to serve more than three. So, yes, Biden got a sweetheart deal and Trump isn't being persecuted. See, it's easy when everything isn't viewed through a partisan lens.

Wealthy and connected people getting preferential treatment in our justice system?!

I am shocked!!

[Dill]

(06-22-2023, 04:25 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You don't have to believe that Trump is being persecuted to also believe that Biden is getting preferential treatment.  Lying on your 4473 form is a major felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.  Federal prison, btw, where there is no parole.  By way of contrast a burglary in CA will net you a standard four years in prison, with six being the max for aggravating circumstances, of which you'd be unlucky to serve more than three.  So, yes, Biden got a sweetheart deal and Trump isn't being persecuted.  See, it's easy when everything isn't viewed through a partisan lens.

Yes, sounds VERY easy, even before we know what "the deal" is.

Viewing the matter through non partisan lenses, how often do charges like those facing Biden bring jail time? 

How long does it usually take to prosecute people who steal government documents and refuse to return them? 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(06-22-2023, 04:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Wealthy and connected people getting preferential treatment in our justice system?!

I am shocked!!

Oh, you'll get no argument from me on that.  Yet, there are several left leaning people in this very thread denying this.  Maybe you should point this out to them?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(06-22-2023, 05:00 PM)Dill Wrote: Yes, sounds VERY easy, even before we know what "the deal" is.

A fair point, the exact terms of the deal have not been officially released.

Quote:Viewing the matter through non partisan lenses, how often do charges like those facing Biden bring jail time? 

Who said jail time?  I've said on here, repeatedly, that a first time felon is very unlikely to get jail time (unless it's a felony like murder, rape, etc.).  What is unusual about the terms, as reported, is that there is no grant of probation.  A plea to a felony with ten years confinement time with the conditions of only drug treatment and no further felonies in two years, then dismissal?  That's the definition of a sweetheart deal.  Treatment followed by 3-5 years federal probation would be an actually reasonable settlement.  No probation at all?  Insanely preferential treatment.

Quote:How long does it usually take to prosecute people who steal government documents and refuse to return them? 

I'm not a federal prosecutor, so I have no idea.  Does that have any bearing on Biden getting a sweetheart deal?