I Spoke With a Christian Terrorist Threatening Atheists in Tennessee

[GMDino]

Well *I* didn't...the author did.  

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/23/i-spoke-with-a-christian-terrorist-threatening-atheists-in-tennessee/

Quote:The atheists working to put a Clarence Darrow statue outside the Rhea County Courthouse in Dayton, Tennessee are receiving a number of subtle and not-so-subtle threats from a Christian activist on Facebook.


So I gave her a call.

More on that in a moment.

A little background is helpful first. The Rhea County courthouse is famous for hosting the legendary Scopes Monkey Trial in 1925, in which substitute teacher John Scopes was charged with teaching evolution, which was illegal in that state at the time. He was found guilty and fined $100.

The two prominent lawyers in the trial were William Jennings Bryan, arguing against evolution for the state, and Darrow, who represented Scopes. (Their debate was wonderfully depicted in the film Inherit the Wind.)
Outside the courthouse today stands this statue of Bryan, which went up in 2005:

It’s not surprising to see that there because, as you might imagine, they still love Bryan in that area. It’s a place where acceptance of evolution is still seen as heretical in many circles.

But a couple of years ago, there was a push for the courthouse to include a similar statue of Darrow:

Quote:“Back in 2005, we knew that if the topic ever arose, we’d have to consider adding a Darrow monument as well or else risk be shown in a negative or biased light,” Rhea County Historical Society President Tom Davis said. “We don’t want to stir up controversy or continue the battle from the 1920’s, but rather just recognize it as a major part of our history. I think it will be a unique feature for Dayton and a good idea to have both Jennings and Bryan [sic] represented.”
…
“I would really like to create a sculpture of Clarence Darrow for Dayton’s courthouse,” [sculptor Zenos] Frudakis said. “It would be fun and his sculptural presence would bring a nice balance to the Dayton, Tenn., experience for visitors wanting to know more about the famous Scopes Trial.”

Frudakis ended up making the privately-funded statue, with the Freedom From Religion Foundation footing a large portion of the bill (to the tune of $150,000). You can see mockups of the statue here.

A model of what the final Clarence Darrow statue would look like (via Zenos Frudakis)

The plan is for the Darrow statue to be unveiled on July 14, right when the Scopes Trial Play and Festival is taking place.

But things began heating up last month because some citizens couldn’t handle hearing the “other side” of the story. One local news article featured 78-year-old June Griffin, a Christian activist in the area.

Quote:Long time activist, June Griffin tells us she’s one of many taking a stand against the proposed statue of Clarence Darrow. She says the lawyer ideas about evolution go against everything she and others who live in the tight-knit community believe.
“All history proves the existence of God and Evolution is a joke for any thinking person,” said Griffin. “This is a very serious matter, the courthouse is a sacred place, you don’t turn it into a theater.”
…
Many residents are upset because there was never an official vote.

“Well I know, God is real and he’s not pleased with this,” said Griffin. “You can come in here with all kinds of French opinions of this, that and the other but this is not France and we don’t run on opinions and an atheist is not on an equal footing with the Christian.”

“The opposition is centered on the effect of Darrow’s ideas [and our] purpose is not promoting his ideas or anything of that nature… it’s just a recognition of the man and his historical significance,” said Green.

June Griffin says she and others will continue to stand up for their beliefs.

“You (commissioners) have betrayed the people of this county, you have betrayed them,” said Griffin. “There are people that live on the outskirts and they don’t make appointments with Channel 3, they just do things and I’ve heard talk of ‘well there’s always spray paint.’“

There’s your godly reaction to the statue of Darrow: Evolution is a joke, this ain’t France, and we’re gonna vandalize that piece of art. (Tell me again about Christian persecution…?)

Incidentally, the Commission didn’t have an “official vote” for the Bryan statue, either.

That said, the County Commission seems to be doing everything right. They’re treating the Darrow statue the same way they did the Bryan one, and they’re not getting in the way of its installation. They believe having the two figures on the courthouse lawn is a way of honoring their history. It’s not “taking sides” on a religious matter to them — or even promoting science (as if that’s such a bad thing).

But Griffin has gotten only more violent in her rhetoric. It doesn’t help that this is the profile picture for her Facebook page “Tennessee for the Ten Commandments”:

I figured that was a reference to her favorite Commandment: “Thou shalt not kill, unless…”

The posts on her personal page weren’t any better. I know a lot of it sounds like crazy Christian babble, but there are very real threats being made.

Quote:… You will get a nice surprise when you dare to step on sacred grounds of OUR Courthouse… You come with your high-minded corruption and your boasted freedom but you will be brought to nothing when we get through with you… Our God will bring upon your worst fear. This is not a threat — it is a Promise. Psalm 149. from a Christian saint. June Griffin. For God and Country.

Psalm 149, by the way, calls on God’s faithful to destroy His enemies.

Quote:May the praise of God be in their mouths
and a double-edged sword in their hands,
to inflict vengeance on the nations
and punishment on the peoples,
to bind their kings with fetters [chains],
their nobles with shackles of iron,
to carry out the sentence written against them —
this is the glory of all his faithful people.

Other posts were no less freaky:

She says she’ll be protesting on the day of the statue’s unveiling — which she has a right to do — but it’s unclear what she meant by saying things like, “by God’s Grace and Power, we will put down such nonsense.” How was she planning to do that, exactly?

In April, Griffin told a local reporter that she wanted to debate the science supporters, but if that didn’t work, she could always resort to violence.

Quote:“No lawyers,” she said, “only personal confrontation. Engage them in the debate right there.”

If not that, she said, the humanists should have to defend themselves in court, without lawyers, who she says feed on taxpayer money and have no concern for people’s rights.

And barring that, Griffin suggests the association form its own militia.

“If worst comes to worst, I will challenge them to meet us in their uniforms at King’s Mountain, just like John Sevier did, and we’ll settle it over there,” Griffin said. During the American Revolutionary War, Sevier led patriots to battle against loyalist militias in South Carolina.

As I was looking into all this, I came across June Griffin’s phone number. She doesn’t keep it a secret, so I gave her a call this afternoon to see if she would tell me what she meant by her statements.

Over the course of nearly 30 minutes, she refused to say that violence was out of the question.

When I asked her point blank if she planned to bring weapons to the July 14 unveiling, she responded, “It wouldn’t be a surprise if I told you.”

Griffin explained that she had every intention of putting a “stop to their invasion of our courthouse,” suggesting as she did to a local reporter that the Darrow statue would turn the courthouse into theater. When I said that a legal challenge from the atheists was far different from the violent threats she was making against them, she told me it was “violent” of the atheists to “rob our taxes.”

How were they robbing her taxes?

Because, she argued, if atheists sue the county for rejecting their statue, and the county fights them and loses in court, the county will be on the hook for the other side’s legal bills. That means the commissioners will eventually raise property taxes on citizens to make up for the financial loss. Therefore, the threat of a lawsuit was no different from her own threats. She was fighting fire with fire.

I told her those weren’t fair comparisons. After all, even if you lost a lawsuit, you still had your life.

Not true, she said, adding, “Is it worse to die or be sued?” (She repeatedly referenced Patrick Henry‘s famous line, “Give me liberty or give me death.”)

I told her it was worse to die. She laughed it off. And then I asked her again: Was she bringing weapons to the unveiling?

“Let them find out.”

I told her the atheists were worried about her.

“Why are they afraid?”

Because they think you’re going to shoot them, I said. I asked why she even had a picture of herself holding a gun for a Facebook page about the Ten Commandments. Wasn’t that hypocritical? She explained that, to her, the Ten Commandments, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence were all one and the same. And all the people she was fighting against — the American Humanist Association, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ACLU, and their lawyers — didn’t recognize the Bill of Rights. They cared about the First Amendment and nothing else.

That’s why advocating for her Second Amendment rights wasn’t out of place at all, she told me.

Okay… but was she going to shoot atheists?

“I’m like George Washington. I don’t make plans. When the time comes, we’ll see what happens.”

I told her she might be saying something different if atheists used the same words against her. If they were threatening her with violence, wouldn’t she have a problem with it? Nope. She said God would protect her “against these wicked ungodly atheists” who are coming to her community and scaring the commissioners.

She also said the atheists had Second Amendment rights as well, as if she was perfectly fine with everyone bringing guns to the unveiling of the Darrow statue.

I said I doubted the atheists had any intention of bringing weapons to the event.

She didn’t care. The atheists, she said, were more afraid of losing their 501©(3) statuses than facing a militia. Whatever that meant.

At one point, we discussed why the Darrow statue was so problematic for her. It all went back to his advocacy of evolution, she claimed. Evolution “leads to students becoming atheists… They don’t know there’s a God… What do they do? They blow their brains out the first time their boyfriends get mad at them.” The boys who killed their classmates at Columbine High School, she insisted, also believed in evolution. And Hitler.

“We won the trial,” she told me, referring to the Scopes verdict. “We won it. And the Bible won. And people had enough faith then.” But this new religious war was going to “culminate right here.”

What did she mean by that?

“These people are atheistic communists… They will lose.”

I tried again. Was she going to commit an act of violence against the atheists when they came into town? Because they’re seriously worried about that.

“Let ’em worry. I don’t care if they worry. I hope they can’t sleep at night.”

I don’t think sleep is the problem, I told her. They just want to know what she plans to do.

“I am not gonna tell you what I’m gonna do. I don’t know for sure what I’m going to do. But it’ll be revealed at the last minute.”

So… that was our conversation. And it all stems from a donated statue honoring a lawyer who defended science education that will go up in front of the courthouse he helped make famous.

Griffin is only one person, yes, but it’s one person who is making her intentions known on Facebook in anticipation of a rally featuring her so-called enemies. She threatens atheists with violence, won’t definitively say that shooting them is out of the question, and wants to make their lives miserable.

Atheists who are organizing the July event have already been in touch with local authorities in addition to the FBI. But no action has been taken against Griffin just yet.

***Update*** (2:27p): Pastor Dale Walker, President of the Tennessee Pastors’ Network, is sponsoring the July 1 rally that Griffin is promoting. I asked him what he thought about her comments and he told me he felt I was “reading a lot into Ms. Griffin’s statements.”

When I told him about my phone conversation — and her refusal to just say no to acts of violence — he said, “She’s not a violent woman.
She never has been a violent woman. That’s not who she is.” She might “run her mouth until Jesus comes,” but she’s not the kind of person who would resort to violence.

He also suggested that she may have thought my questions were dumb, so she was being sarcastic with her responses.

I didn’t get a sense of that sarcasm when I spoke to her, so I asked Walker if he would still sponsor her event.

“If she made a bold threat, no, I would not join her in that. But to my knowledge, she has not made a bold threat.”

I also called the two legislators who plan to speak at the same event. Neither was in the office, but I’ll report if and when I hear back.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Another whack job Christian who's stuck in "Crusader" mode that doesn't know the Bible...or should I say she does but hasn't learned anything from. She can probably quote you chapter and verse from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 23:24 I think it is but she don't know what it means.

When will people realize that Christianity is not Collective Salvation, if it was we'd all be going to Hell.

From "Fence Laws" to Sanctimonious Piety...it just needs to stop.

You can not legislate Morality and in the United States it's all or none.

I'm all over the place here, I'm going to stop now.

[xxlt]

Wasn't there a thread called "Holy Batshit Crazy?" That really should have been the name of this thread!

[*Nately120*]

Can't people just believe in a magical Jewish carpenter without getting all crazy about it? Geez. Bonus points for evolution deniers acting like rabid apes when angered, though.

[Stewy]

(06-24-2017, 08:01 PM)xxlt Wrote: Wasn't there a thread called "Holy Batshit Crazy?" That really should have been the name of this thread!

Does anyone else find it disturbingly ironic that those who preach against "all islamics aren't extremists" tend to cling to any crazy Christian story they can find?  Oh did i say ironic?  I meant pathetic.

[xxlt]

(06-25-2017, 12:38 AM)Stewy Wrote: Does anyone else find it disturbingly ironic that those who preach against "all islamics aren't extremists" tend to cling to any crazy Christian story they can find?  Oh did i say ironic?  I meant pathetic.

That is a really valid point.

But, if we consider this then perhaps we have a different take:

Ask Americans their religion and you'll get an earful — 50 individual answers in an ABCNEWS/Beliefnet poll, ranging from agnostics to Zen Buddhists. The vast majority, though, have something in common: Jesus Christ.

Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and a smattering of individual mentions.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90356&page=1

According to Gallup Jesus is losing some steam though:

• 75% of Americans identify with a Christian religion
• Christian identification is down from 80% in 2008
• 5% of Americans identify with a non-Christian religion, little changed
  

PRINCETON, N.J. -- On the eve of Christmas 2015, a review of over 174,000 interviews conducted in 2015 shows that three-quarters of American adults identify with a Christian religion, little changed from 2014, but down from 80% eight years ago. About 5% of Americans identify with a non-Christian religion, while 20% have no formal religious identification, which is up five percentage points since 2008.

These results are based on interviews conducted each year since 2008 as part of Gallup Daily tracking. The general trends in the data over this eight-year period are clear: As the percentage of Americans identifying with a Christian religion has decreased, the percentage with no formal religious identification has increased. The small percentage of Americans who identify with a non-Christian religion has been essentially constant over this time period.

The downtick in the percentage of the U.S. population identifying as Christian over the past eight years is a continuation of a trend that has been evident for decades. In Gallup surveys in the 1950s, over 90% of the adult population identified as Christian, with only a small percentage claiming no religious identification at all or identifying with a non-Christian religion.
Despite these changes, America remains a predominantly Christian nation, and with 94% of those who identify with a religion saying they are Christian.
The broad Christian category includes Catholics, Protestants, Mormons and non-denominational Christians. In 2015, 24% of Americans identify as Catholic, 50% as Protestant or as members of another non-Catholic Christian religion, and 2% as Mormon.
Christian Percentage Is Lowest Among Young Americans
The percentage of Christians is highest among older Americans and decreases with each progressively younger age group. This trend reflects the high number of "nones" -- those without a formal religious identity -- in the younger generations, as well as a higher proportion of non-Christians among them.

One key to the future of Christian representation in the U.S. population will be shifts in the religious identification of today's youngest cohorts. Traditionally, Americans have become more likely to identify with a religion as they age through their 30s and 40s and get married and have children. If this pattern does not occur in the same way it has in the past, the percentage of Christians nationwide will likely continue to shrink.
Bottom Line
America remains a predominantly Christian nation, with three-quarters of all adults identifying with a Christian faith, and with over 90% Christian representation among those who say they are a member of any kind of religion. A major religious trend in the U.S., however, has been the increasing number of Americans who say they do not have a formal religious identification. This expansion has been accompanied by the shrinkage in the number of people who identify as Christian. More than 95% of Americans identified as Christian in the 1950s, and 80% did so as recently as eight years ago. While the 5% of the population who identify with a non-Christian faith is higher than it was decades ago, it has not shown significant change over the past eight years.
These data are available in Gallup Analytics.
Survey Methods
Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted from 2008-2015 on the Gallup U.S. Daily survey, with random samples of adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. The sample sizes of those interviewed were over 350,000 for the years 2008 through 2012, and over 170,000 for the years 2013 through 2015. The 2015 sample consists of interviews conducted through Dec. 20, 2015. For results based on the total sample of national adults for each year, the margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.
Each sample of national adults includes both cellphone respondents and landline respondents, with the percentage of each varying across the eight years included in this analysis. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods.

Link: http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx

Of course none of that fits the narrative that Moose Lambs are taking over America, that they are 100% lunatic fringe killing machines, and that you have nothing to fear but complacency itself and should therefore embrace fear.

Friggin' math again! What are you gonna do? You could pay a bit of attention to the rantings of uneducated and/or mentally unstable Christians who are likely to have a direct or indirect impact on your daily life in this country or you can get your ass down to the No Sharia Law Rally pronto. I know what I'm doing. See y'all at the rally! Early Cuyler Baby!

[*michaelsean*]

June really doesn't want that statue there. And her side did win so in your face hippy atheists.

[THE Bigzoman]

The constant need for the uninformed to compare Christianity and Islam gets old. They're both fundamentally different with one having a higher propensity to violent ****** Guess which one?

The Bible is a vast book filled with contradictions. The Quran is much more streamlined and much more clear in its message. You can't find a clear and concise message in the Bible to kill non believers and to kill in the name of Christianity, but you can in Quran several times over. Both religions revere their prophets and seek to live by their example, and jesus and Muhammad lead lead vastly different lives. Muhammad wasn't some hippie who got nailed to a cross whilst his followers got prosecuted when they tried to speard his word. He, along with his followers,were conquering warlords. His life is comparable to conquerors like Alexander the Great and genghis khan. The problem with christians are that they fail to lead by Jesus' example, but tons of muslims do a halfway decent job of following Muhammads

Shit, in the Bible you can find a rationale to ignore all the bad parts through the example of Jesus and the New Testament. There's nothing like that in the Quran and Hadith. Nothing.

And I haven't even mentioned how each religion handles detractors. My family still loves me after coming out an atheist. If you're in a devout Muslim family? Good luck with that.

Christians seem to manage ridicule towards them just fine in the media. Now,
Google Charlie Hebdo and tell me what happend after they poked fun at Islam.

It's a ******** comparison at best. At worst, it's a red herring to deflect any criticism (valid or invalid) of Islam.

[HarleyDog]

(06-24-2017, 02:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well *I* didn't...the author did.  

When you breath hate but blame on someone else, its cowardly. Express yourself and take ownership.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-25-2017, 08:30 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: When you breath hate but blame on someone else, its cowardly. Express yourself and take ownership.

Good rule of thumb.... If you are scared to take ownership of anything you say or do then you shouldn't be saying or doing.

[StLucieBengal]

(06-25-2017, 06:05 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: The constant need for the uninformed to compare Christianity and Islam gets old. They're both fundamentally different with one having a higher propensity to violent ****** Guess which one?

The Bible is a vast book filled with contradictions. The Quran is much more streamlined and much more clear in its message. You can't find a clear and concise message in the Bible to kill non believers and to kill in the name of Christianity, but you can in Quran several times over. Both religions revere their prophets and seek to live by their example, and jesus and Muhammad lead lead vastly different lives. Muhammad wasn't some hippie who got nailed to a cross whilst his followers got prosecuted when they tried to speard his word. He, along with his followers,were conquering warlords. His life is comparable to conquerors like Alexander the Great and genghis khan. The problem with christians are that they fail to lead by Jesus' example, but tons of muslims do a halfway decent job of following Muhammads

Shit, in the Bible you can find a rationale to ignore all the bad parts through the example of Jesus and the New Testament. There's nothing like that in the Quran and Hadith. Nothing.

And I haven't even mentioned how each religion handles detractors. My family still loves me after coming out an atheist. If you're in a devout Muslim family? Good luck with that.

Christians seem to manage ridicule towards them just fine in the media. Now,
Google Charlie Hebdo and tell me what happend after they poked fun at Islam.

It's a ******** comparison at best. At worst, it's a red herring to deflect any criticism (valid or invalid) of Islam.

Well said. Wish I could rep.

[GMDino]

(06-25-2017, 06:05 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: The constant need for the uninformed to compare Christianity and Islam gets old. They're both fundamentally different with one having a higher propensity to violent ****** Guess which one?

The Bible is a vast book filled with contradictions. The Quran is much more streamlined and much more clear in its message.  You can't find a clear and concise message in the Bible to kill non believers and to kill in the name of Christianity, but you can in Quran several times over. Both religions revere their prophets and seek to live by their example, and jesus and Muhammad lead lead vastly different lives. Muhammad wasn't some hippie who got nailed to a cross whilst his followers got prosecuted when they tried to speard his word. He, along with his followers,were conquering warlords. His life is comparable to conquerors like Alexander the Great and genghis khan. The problem with christians are that they fail to lead by Jesus' example, but tons of muslims do a halfway decent job of following Muhammads

Shit, in the Bible you can find a rationale to ignore all the bad parts through the example of Jesus and the New Testament. There's nothing like that in the Quran and Hadith. Nothing.

And I haven't even mentioned how each religion handles detractors. My family still loves me after coming out an atheist. If you're in a devout Muslim family? Good luck with that.

Christians seem to manage ridicule towards them just fine in the media. Now,
Google Charlie Hebdo and tell me what happend after they poked fun at Islam.

It's a ******** comparison at best. At worst, it's a red herring to deflect any criticism (valid or invalid) of Islam.

Who did that in this story/thread?

[GMDino]

(06-25-2017, 08:30 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: When you breath hate but blame on someone else, its cowardly. Express yourself and take ownership.

I copied the title of the article as the title of the thread.  In order to make sure the readers knew that *I* did not write the article I wrote the first sentence.

If you feel that the article "breathes hate" that is on you.  

[Dill]

(06-25-2017, 06:05 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: The constant need for the uninformed to compare Christianity and Islam gets old. They're both fundamentally different with one having a higher propensity to violent ****** Guess which one?

The Bible is a vast book filled with contradictions. The Quran is much more streamlined and much more clear in its message.  You can't find a clear and concise message in the Bible to kill non believers and to kill in the name of Christianity, but you can in Quran several times over. Both religions revere their prophets and seek to live by their example, and jesus and Muhammad lead lead vastly different lives. Muhammad wasn't some hippie who got nailed to a cross whilst his followers got prosecuted when they tried to speard his word. He, along with his followers,were conquering warlords. His life is comparable to conquerors like Alexander the Great and genghis khan. The problem with christians are that they fail to lead by Jesus' example, but tons of muslims do a halfway decent job of following Muhammads

Shit, in the Bible you can find a rationale to ignore all the bad parts through the example of Jesus and the New Testament. There's nothing like that in the Quran and Hadith. Nothing.

And I haven't even mentioned how each religion handles detractors. My family still loves me after coming out an atheist. If you're in a devout Muslim family? Good luck with that.

Christians seem to manage ridicule towards them just fine in the media. Now,
Google Charlie Hebdo and tell me what happend after they poked fun at Islam.

It's a ******** comparison at best. At worst, it's a red herring to deflect any criticism (valid or invalid) of Islam.

Well it is good that we have someone in the forum who is informed about both the Qu'ran and Hadith as well as the Bible.

Seems to me like each religion-of-the-book handles detractors in a wide variety of ways. I know some Muslims who have become atheists and they are still tight with their families. Is it possible that some atheists who come from devout Christian families are no longer welcome in those families?

One thing that has always puzzled me about religions of the book is how their believers pick and choose among their religious texts. I see you have noticed this too. Christians who like authoritarian social regulation, like the above-mentioned Ms. Griffin, for example, often turn to the Old Testament for justification when the Sermon on the Mount blocks them from some desired oppression. They are fine with "the bad parts," even the ethnic cleansing; but there are definitely Christians who aren't fine with them. They are not even fine with "bad parts" of the New Testament.

On the other hand, I have to wonder why so many Muslims ignore the "bad parts" of the Qu'ran, given their role model was a "conquering warlord" as you put it, and there are so many concise messages urging them to kill non-believers.

Include the way these different religions have behaved over the last thousand years and you could get the impression that what religious texts say depends as much upon who reads them and how they are read as much as what is actually in them. In fact, just looking at the words of a text seems not a very good predictor of how people will interpret and act upon those words.  I find myself constantly looking to other social and historical factors to explain the wide range of variations.

I have raised this problem with fundamentalists of two of the three religions at various times, and they do the opposite. They just look at what the text says and assume they are reading without interpreting. Or they have fixed hermenutic method, which they don't seem to think is a method (e.g., Biblical typology). For them, the text is unchanged so the message is unchanged.  That is why whenever they argue, they are always citing lines and verses and scoffing at hermenuetic/linguistic/historical questions/problems.  Why do fundamentalists of all three religions so often disagree with their fellow fundamentalists then, one wonders, if they are all seeing what's just there on the page? I am not a fundamentalist, but if I were, I imagine I would solve the problem quickly by recognizing Satan's snare and affirming my deep and unchangeable belief in with the text says.

[Dill]

(06-25-2017, 12:38 AM)Stewy Wrote: Does anyone else find it disturbingly ironic that those who preach against "all islamics aren't extremists" tend to cling to any crazy Christian story they can find?  Oh did i say ironic?  I meant pathetic.

No. Ironic how? 

[Vlad]

(06-24-2017, 02:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well *I* didn't...the author did.  

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/06/23/i-spoke-with-a-christian-terrorist-threatening-atheists-in-tennessee/

The author didn't speak to a "Christian Terrorist" either.

Saw nothing in the article that indicated she killed or hurt anybody.

[Dill]

(06-25-2017, 10:59 PM)Vlad Wrote: The author didn't speak to a "Christian Terrorist" either.

Saw nothing in the article that indicated she killed or hurt anybody.

So the 9/11 hijackers weren't terrorists until they hurt someone?

[Vlad]

(06-25-2017, 11:01 PM)Dill Wrote: So the 9/11 hijackers weren't terrorists until they hurt someone?

Um...hijacking an aircraft is hurting someone, even if they didn't take box cutters to the pilots throats.

[GMDino]

(06-25-2017, 11:01 PM)Dill Wrote: So the 9/11 hijackers weren't terrorists until they hurt someone?

Nah, she just made threats.

Harmless old woman.

And if she does get violent she'll just be an isolated nut case not reflective the religion she is professing to defend.  

Those Arabs were evil when they were born.

[Vlad]

(06-25-2017, 09:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Who did that in this story/thread?

 He was only adding value to a much ado about nothing thread.