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I don’t get the burrow or Bust thing?
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(02-13-2020, 05:18 PM)Au165 Wrote: Nah, Luck has no shot. He wasn't a top 5 QB while he played and honestly he had some good years but he never even made a 1st team all pro. No QB is getting in without a Super Bowl (not even an AFC Title), MVP or 1st team All Pro. He will go down as a good player who could have been better.

Calvin has a chance, but I think he is going to run into an issue of a player back log and then an ensuing wave of QB's. Only 4-8 can get in each year and I think that is what is working against him. I think you also have the problem that Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and Brandon Marshall all also have statistical arguments to be in the HoF from the same era.

Phil Simms has a SB ring, a 1st team All Pro, and an MVP and he still isn't in.  It's insanely tough to get in as a QB, especially without a ring.
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(02-13-2020, 05:31 PM)Whatever Wrote: Phil Simms has a SB ring, a 1st team All Pro, and an MVP and he still isn't in.  It's insanely tough to get in as a QB, especially without a ring.

Plus we are about to get a wave of QB's who deserve it. There are only 26 modern era QB's in the HoF and Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Eli are basically locks with many saying Rivers too. That is a 20% increase from one era alone, I think getting a QB in will be really hard outside of that group going forward because of that exclusivity they like to keep positionally. 
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(02-13-2020, 12:02 PM)kevin Wrote: You don't get it.  Get this.  AJ Green & Andy Dalton are probably gone in free agency.  This is as Carson & Chad leaving after 2010.  In came Dalton & Green.   Now in 2020, they have drafted Boyd & Ross already.   The Heisman Trophy winner, SEC winner, National Championship winner, the guy that broke a lot of NCAA passing records WILL become a Bengal.  If you still don't get it,  Burrow scores a lot of points and Bengals score no points.  Bengals needs points on the board.  If you still don't get it,  PB Stadium has more empty seats than any NFL city.  Money is a factor.  The Heisman quarterback will sell season tickets the moment he is drafted, and help fill the money making luxury suits.  Bengals better start getting money spending customers in the stands or they will have to move to another city or go out of business all together. 

Bengals will never get a Mike Ditka deal again.  Plus this is no Akili Smith.  Burrow is about as sure of a pick as you can get.  Boomer says take him and I think Carson says take him, and they know quarterbacking in the NFL.   I agree they will need more of a team around him.  Bengals do draft 1st in every round.   2 is like a 1, and 3 is like a 2.  Bengals need to grab a TOP Offensive Tackle to bookend with Jonah Williams.  They need to grab a TOP 4-3 Linebacker who can make plays sideline to sideline against run and pass.  Burrow and these 2 guys by the 1st pick in 3.  That's a good draft. 

Some of you fans need to stop kicking the can down the road looking to drafts years ahead every year.  Some saying Bengals should go 0-16 every year for the Draft.  The draft fans may like that.  The game fans won't.  The stadium will be empty and this team will fold or move. No Fans, No Money, No Team.   Bring the Heisman quarterback in NOW.   This is NOT just any other college quarterback.  People that don't know the difference between getting Burrow from McCarron or Finley would never be smart enough to draft a Marino or Peyton Manning.  Get this Heisman scoring machine in here NOW.  If he had flopped in Play-Offs, but he didn't   HE WON THE BIG GAMES, something else Bengals never do.  Many reasons to add scoring points and winning big games to this team in Burrow, Joe Heisman. 

PS :  Burrow was coached in an NFL Saints type offense at LSU.  He grew up in Ohio and went to Ohio State, so he knows Ohio football weather.   He comes in already knowing an NFL offense and a hurry up offense.  He is great in 2 minute drill winning games.  He comes in ready to go.  Yes, he will have to learn the NFL, but suit him up and get him in there.  He could be our Mahomes.  Get him in here.

Hey, great post Kev. Joe
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(02-13-2020, 05:33 PM)Au165 Wrote: Plus we are about to get a wave of QB's who deserve it. There are only 26 modern era QB's in the HoF and Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Eli are basically locks with many saying Rivers too. That is a 20% increase from one era alone, I think getting a QB in will be really hard outside of that group going forward because of that exclusivity they like to keep positionally. 

Well, Rodgers is also a lock. I would also say Russell Wilson is probably going in.  And there's a lot of guys that are currently playing that haven't been mentioned like Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, Newton, etc that have better resumes than Luck.
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(02-04-2020, 12:33 AM)Jpoore Wrote: Genuinely want to get it, but. I’m not in love with him. Could he end up being elite? Sure. But I see him in that Matt stafford cam newton 6-9 nfl qb type range. I see love also in that range but that’s not point of post. Burrow could also bust hard. If ur offered 3-4 1st round picks. U take it. Even if they’re not all this year. That’s means u have 8 1st round picks over next 4 years. U take that all day. U don’t risk it all for one player. Also tell me a qb besides Andrew luck who came into a bad situation and immediately turned it around. Pat mahomes? No they went 12-4 the year they drafted him surrounded by talent. Deshaun Watson? Try again. Surrounded by talent. Lamar jackson? Surrounded by talent. I could go down the list but.... pin the being we need as many high picks as we can be aside despite being optimistic about free agency, we are probably doing the same shit. If that’s the case, if we don’t trade back we’re what? Minimum  3 years away from actually contending. While joe could be great, he could also bust and if u get a blown away offer u have to take it.

its always a gamble...

but do you take the gamble on a QB that just broke most the NCAA single season records.

Or the gamble of taking more picks and more chances of picking wrong?
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(02-13-2020, 06:21 PM)Whatever Wrote: Well, Rodgers is also a lock. I would also say Russell Wilson is probably going in.  And there's a lot of guys that are currently playing that haven't been mentioned like Flacco, Ryan, Stafford, Newton, etc that have better resumes than Luck.

No probably on Wilson, he’s a lock.
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(02-12-2020, 02:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That is good news for Tua, hope he can play in the NFL but man he has had some injuries as BF74 here says.

Tua got his injuries against college players. I don't think pro players will have a hell of a lot of sympathy for him.
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This is a great breakdown on what he does well, and what he doesn't. The writer goes in to how he over comes some of the things he doesn't do well.

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(02-13-2020, 05:18 PM)Au165 Wrote: Nah, Luck has no shot. He wasn't a top 5 QB while he played and honestly he had some good years but he never even made a 1st team all pro. No QB is getting in without a Super Bowl (not even an AFC Title), MVP or 1st team All Pro. He will go down as a good player who could have been better.

Calvin has a chance, but I think he is going to run into an issue of a player back log and then an ensuing wave of QB's. Only 4-8 can get in each year and I think that is what is working against him. I think you also have the problem that Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and Brandon Marshall all also have statistical arguments to be in the HoF from the same era.

I wouldn't rule out Luck entirely, not least because the HoF criteria/voting may change in the future.

(He is though a long shot)
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(02-18-2020, 11:23 AM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: I wouldn't rule out Luck entirely, not least because the HoF criteria/voting may change in the future.

(He is though a long shot)

Pro Football Reference has a scoring system they use to predict someone's HoF worthiness based on stats. A normal QB that get's in has a score around 103, Luck's score is about 33 (85th out of eligible QB's). To put that score into Andy Dalton is a 37. 

The only thing HoF worthy about Luck was his hype and potential coming out.  
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